Vick goes to court today....

[Harlan Huckleby]

"I think he's one of the superb athletes, and he's a good human being. I just think that he fell into a bad situation."

This is undoubtably the sort of argument Vick would have used in a jury trial. And even tho Rastak says they had him "dead to rights", you never know what dumb-ass verdict a jury will deliver. You can bet there wouldn't have been any dog lovers on that jury.

"Justice" is a funny word. It's a process, not an outcome. OJ got justice, he didn't get what he deserved.

[Rastak]

Bullshit. Plain and simple. He plead guilty because he is and they got his ugly evil ass dead to rights. THAT'S why he isn't going to trial.

As a matter of practicality, he didn't plead quilty to dogfighting. He plead "please don't charge me with racketeering."

Ummm, I appreciate why you consider this hairsplitting. Actually, you don't even consider it hairsplittin, you simply refuse to follow my argument!

I know Vick is a bad man. Very bad man. Still shoulda had a trial.

And when in your conversation with Vick or his attorney did he indicate that was his reason? They had 4 guys lined up to testify BEFORE his co-arseholes flipped. Feds have an 85% conviction rate. In fact, the minute Taylor flipped he had no choice as far as I'm concerned. In fact, it wouldn;t have bothered me at all if they would have finished charging him with all the crimes he commited then brought him to trial then put him away for 10 years. He's a scumbag.

[Rastak]

"I think he's one of the superb athletes, and he's a good human being. I just think that he fell into a bad situation."

This is undoubtably the sort of argument Vick would have used in a jury trial. And even tho Rastak says they had him "dead to rights", you never know what dumb-ass verdict a jury will deliver. You can bet there wouldn't have been any dog lovers on that jury.

"Justice" is a funny word. It's a process, not an outcome. OJ got justice, he didn't get what he deserved.

Nah, he had no shot....maybe 1% chance a total moron hung the jury. I do concede that's possible but extremely unlikely.

[MJZiggy]

Bullshit. Plain and simple. He plead guilty because he is and they got his ugly evil ass dead to rights. THAT'S why he isn't going to trial.

As a matter of practicality, he didn't plead quilty to dogfighting. He plead "please don't charge me with racketeering."

Ummm, I appreciate why you consider this hairsplitting. Actually, you don't even consider it hairsplittin, you simply refuse to follow my argument!

I know Vick is a bad man. Very bad man. Still shoulda had a trial.

Maybe he plead "please don't charge me with racketeering" because he was guilty of racketeering...

[Harlan Huckleby]

They had 4 guys lined up to testify BEFORE his co-arseholes flipped.

I'm confused by these reports. Does a DA take deposition from people and then release it to the press? Or maybe they had public trials!? No to both questions.

Feds have an 85% conviction rate.

WEll, you can bet they didn't see a 85% chance of convicting him on racketeering, or they wouldn't have offered him a plea deal.

A trial on the dogfighting charges would have been a good thing. That plea deal stunk.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Maybe he plead "please don't charge me with racketeering" because he was guilty of racketeering...

sure, its possible.

Vick saw a chance of being convicted, 26 years in prison was too much to risk.

Prosecution weren't sure they could get a conviction, the charges were a reach. They didn't want to risk it either, so they offered a plea agreement.

BOTH sites are limitting risk in a plea deal.

[Kiwon]

"I think he's one of the superb athletes, and he's a good human being. I just think that he fell into a bad situation."

This is undoubtably the sort of argument Vick would have used in a jury trial. And even tho Rastak says they had him "dead to rights", you never know what dumb-ass verdict a jury will deliver. You can bet there wouldn't have been any dog lovers on that jury.

"Justice" is a funny word. It's a process, not an outcome. OJ got justice, he didn't get what he deserved.

Note to readers: The above quote is Knicks guard Stephon Marbury talking, not me.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Note to readers: The above quote is Knicks guard Stephon Marbury talking, not me.

Sorry Kiwon, I thought about that when I first posted, put the quote marks back in. I figured most people would understand. But then again, if a few thought you were an asshole, I decided I could live with that.

[Bretsky]

It's not heavy handed if they were telling him the truth.

truth got nothing to do with it. sure, the prosecution was truthful and straightforward. the contention is that the prosecution followed the letter rather than spirit/intent of law, effectively denied VIck a full hearing on the dogfighting charges.

Bullshit. Plain and simple. He plead guilty because he is and they got his ugly evil ass dead to rights. THAT'S why he isn't going to trial.


He wasn't denied a damn thing...maybe continuing his illegal enterprise. That's about all he was denied.

[Bretsky]

Marbury defends Vick, calls dogfighting a sport

NEW YORK (AP) — New York Knicks guard Stephon Marbury defended Michael Vick, calling dogfighting a sport and comparing it to hunting.
Marbury spoke Monday about the federal dogfighting conspiracy charges against Vick while promoting his basketball shoe in Albany, N.Y.

"I think it's tough," Marbury said, according to Albany TV station Capital News 9. "I think, you know, we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals. You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors."

On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal-fighting venture. He also faces possible prosecution in Virginia.

"I think it's tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down," Marbury said. "I think he's one of the superb athletes, and he's a good human being. I just think that he fell into a bad situation."

Those who know the quality of individual this guy is should not be surprised

[Bretsky]

Bullshit. Plain and simple. He plead guilty because he is and they got his ugly evil ass dead to rights. THAT'S why he isn't going to trial.

As a matter of practicality, he didn't plead quilty to dogfighting. He plead "please don't charge me with racketeering."

Ummm, I appreciate why you consider this hairsplitting. Actually, you don't even consider it hairsplittin, you simply refuse to follow my argument!

I know Vick is a bad man. Very bad man. Still shoulda had a trial.

And when in your conversation with Vick or his attorney did he indicate that was his reason? They had 4 guys lined up to testify BEFORE his co-arseholes flipped. Feds have an 85% conviction rate. In fact, the minute Taylor flipped he had no choice as far as I'm concerned. In fact, it wouldn;t have bothered me at all if they would have finished charging him with all the crimes he commited then brought him to trial then put him away for 10 years. He's a scumbag.

Completely agree

I wish Vick da Prick and his arrogance would have ended up at a trial.

Then da Feds throw every charge at him they had

We would not have to worry about Vick da Prick back in the NFL again, ever

[Kiwon]

Note to readers: The above quote is Knicks guard Stephon Marbury talking, not me.

Sorry Kiwon, I thought about that when I first posted, put the quote marks back in. I figured most people would understand. But then again, if a few thought you were an asshole, I decided I could live with that.

Thanks, I think....

The thing about an anus is that you can't live without one. At least some might compare me to an important part of the body.

[Patler]

As a matter of practicality, he didn't plead quilty to dogfighting. He plead "please don't charge me with racketeering."

What he really plead was; "If I admit this, will you please forget all the other things I've done!"

[hoosier]

"Justice" is a funny word. It's a process, not an outcome. OJ got justice, he didn't get what he deserved.

I see your point, but the truth--at least for legal scholars--is even weirder than that. In fact the law doesn't care about justice at all, the equation of law and justice is just a popular misconception. The law's goal is to reach a sound legal ruling that will hold up against appeals. For that same reason, the law imposes limits on introducing new evidence, and after those limits are reached even the appearance of innocence isn't enough to get a conviction overturned.

[MadtownPacker]

As a matter of practicality, he didn't plead quilty to dogfighting. He plead "please don't charge me with racketeering."

What he really plead was; "If I admit this, will you please forget all the other things I've done!"

So you are saying Harlan should actually be mad at michael vick for not riding it out to the finish? That is a good point and I think I agree.