Vick goes to court today....

[the_idle_threat]

Free Michael!

[Jimx29]

Is that the same as "Free Puppies"?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Yes. Michael just needs a good home.

[GBRulz]

If someone rapes your wife, That person might be acting on the drive and instinct to reproduce.

well, since I'm just acting on instinct...may I suggest duct tape for your mouth?

[Rastak]

If someone rapes your wife, That person might be acting on the drive and instinct to reproduce.

well, since I'm just acting on instinct...may I suggest duct tape for your mouth?

This is one of the goofiest things I've ever read.

[MJZiggy]

If someone rapes your wife, That person might be acting on the drive and instinct to reproduce.

well, since I'm just acting on instinct...may I suggest duct tape for your mouth?

That's what I was trying to get at but you said it so much more efficiently...

[Harlan Huckleby]

I can't sit by idly any longer and watch these bitches gang-up on one of the boys.



Ziggy, you hen!

[GBRulz]

I can't sit by idly any longer

Damn fleas

[GBRulz]

This is one of the goofiest things I've ever read.

Yeah well, I'm usually not still half in the bag at noon the following day, either! Damn Packers, it's all their fault...they MADE me buy those $7 beers!

[Jimx29]

Vick admits dog killing, conspiracy


(CNN) -- NFL star Michael Vick has admitted that he and his co-conspirators killed dogs that did not fight well in papers filed on Friday with a federal court in Virginia.

Vick said he would plead guilty to one count of "Conspiracy to Travel in Interstate Commerce in Aid of Unlawful Activities and to Sponsor a Dog in an Animal Fighting Venture," in a plea agreement filed at the federal district court in Richmond, Virginia.

The charge is punishable by up to five years in prison, a $250,000 fine, "full restitution, a special assessment, and 3 years of supervised release," the plea deal says.

Federal prosecutors agreed to ask for the low end of the sentencing guidelines.

"The defendant will plead guilty because the defendant is in fact guilty of the charged offense," the plea agreement says.

In an additional statement of facts, signed by Vick and filed with the agreement, Vick admitted buying the property that was used for dogfighting but did not bet on the fights or receive any of the money won.

"Most of the 'Bad Newz Kennels'' operations and gambling monies were provided by Vick," the official summary of facts stated. Gambling wins were generally split between co-conspirators Tony Taylor, Quanis Phillips and sometimes Purnell Peace, it continued.

"Vick did not gamble by placing side bets on any of the fights. Vick did not receive any of the proceeds from the purses that were won by 'Bad Newz Kennels.'"

Vick also agreed that "collective efforts" by him and two others caused the deaths of at least six dogs.

In about April of this year, Vick, Peace and Phillips tested some dogs in fighting sessions at Vick's property in Virginia, the statement said. "Peace, Phillips and Vick agreed to the killing of approximately 6-8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road and all of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning.

"Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick," the summary said.

Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, Virginia; Phillips, 28, of Atlanta; and Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Virginia have already accepted agreements to plead guilty in exchange for reduced sentences.

Vick, 27, is scheduled to appear in federal court in Richmond, Virginia, on Monday, where he is expected to plead guilty before a judge. See a timeline of the case against Vick »

The judge in the case will have the final say over the plea agreement.

The federal case against Vick focused on the interstate conspiracy, but Vick's admission that he was involved in the killing of dogs could lead to local charges, according to CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin.

"It sometimes happens -- not often -- that the state will follow a federal prosecution by charging its own crimes for exactly the same behavior," Toobin said Friday.

"The risk for Vick is, if he makes admissions in his federal guilty plea, the state of Virginia could say, hey, look, you admitted violating Virginia state law as well. We're going to introduce that against you and charge you in our court."

In the plea deal, Vick agrees to cooperate with investigators and provide all information he may have on any criminal activity and to testify if necessary. Vick also agrees to turn over any documents he has and to submit to polygraph tests.
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After Vick's indictment last month, National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell ordered the quarterback not to report to the Falcons training camp, and the league is reviewing the case.

Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank told the NFL Network Monday he could not speculate on Vick's future as a Falcon, at least not until he has seen "a statement of facts" in the case.

[Scott Campbell]

If someone rapes your wife, That person might be acting on the drive and instinct to reproduce.

well, since I'm just acting on instinct...may I suggest duct tape for your mouth?

That's what I was trying to get at but you said it so much more efficiently...

I think some of Nick's philosophies are somewhat "oldschool".

[Freak Out]

If someone rapes your wife, That person might be acting on the drive and instinct to reproduce.

well, since I'm just acting on instinct...may I suggest duct tape for your mouth?

That's what I was trying to get at but you said it so much more efficiently...

I think some of Nick's philosophies are somewhat "oldschool".

Quest for fire baby!

[woodbuck27]

Vick admits dog killing, conspiracy


(CNN) -- NFL star Michael Vick has admitted that he and his co-conspirators killed dogs that did not fight well in papers filed on Friday with a federal court in Virginia.

Vick said he would plead guilty to one count of "Conspiracy to Travel in Interstate Commerce in Aid of Unlawful Activities and to Sponsor a Dog in an Animal Fighting Venture," in a plea agreement filed at the federal district court in Richmond, Virginia.

The charge is punishable by up to five years in prison, a $250,000 fine, "full restitution, a special assessment, and 3 years of supervised release," the plea deal says.

Federal prosecutors agreed to ask for the low end of the sentencing guidelines.

"The defendant will plead guilty because the defendant is in fact guilty of the charged offense," the plea agreement says.

In an additional statement of facts, signed by Vick and filed with the agreement, Vick admitted buying the property that was used for dogfighting but did not bet on the fights or receive any of the money won.

"Most of the 'Bad Newz Kennels'' operations and gambling monies were provided by Vick," the official summary of facts stated. Gambling wins were generally split between co-conspirators Tony Taylor, Quanis Phillips and sometimes Purnell Peace, it continued.

"Vick did not gamble by placing side bets on any of the fights. Vick did not receive any of the proceeds from the purses that were won by 'Bad Newz Kennels.'"

Vick also agreed that "collective efforts" by him and two others caused the deaths of at least six dogs.

In about April of this year, Vick, Peace and Phillips tested some dogs in fighting sessions at Vick's property in Virginia, the statement said. "Peace, Phillips and Vick agreed to the killing of approximately 6-8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road and all of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning.

"Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick," the summary said.

Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, Virginia; Phillips, 28, of Atlanta; and Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Virginia have already accepted agreements to plead guilty in exchange for reduced sentences.

Vick, 27, is scheduled to appear in federal court in Richmond, Virginia, on Monday, where he is expected to plead guilty before a judge. See a timeline of the case against Vick »

The judge in the case will have the final say over the plea agreement.

The federal case against Vick focused on the interstate conspiracy, but Vick's admission that he was involved in the killing of dogs could lead to local charges, according to CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin.

"It sometimes happens -- not often -- that the state will follow a federal prosecution by charging its own crimes for exactly the same behavior," Toobin said Friday.

"The risk for Vick is, if he makes admissions in his federal guilty plea, the state of Virginia could say, hey, look, you admitted violating Virginia state law as well. We're going to introduce that against you and charge you in our court."

In the plea deal, Vick agrees to cooperate with investigators and provide all information he may have on any criminal activity and to testify if necessary. Vick also agrees to turn over any documents he has and to submit to polygraph tests.
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After Vick's indictment last month, National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell ordered the quarterback not to report to the Falcons training camp, and the league is reviewing the case.

Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank told the NFL Network Monday he could not speculate on Vick's future as a Falcon, at least not until he has seen "a statement of facts" in the case.

Fr. PFT

POSTED 1:48 p.m. EDT, August 24, 2007

VICK ADMITS EVERYTHING

We've reviewed in detail the plea agreement signed by Michael Vick on Thursday, along with the statement of facts.

Notwithstanding the anonymous source who told the anonymous reporter at ESPN that Vick would not admit to killing dogs or to gambling, Vick admits to everything.

In paragraph 1, Vick pleads guilty to conspiracy to establish, maintain, etc. an interstate gambling enterprise and conspiracy to engage in interstate dog fighting.

In paragraph 2, Vick admits that the Surry County property to which he initially said he never goes was the main staging area for housing and training pit bulls for fighting.

In paragraph 3, Vick admits to being involved in dog fights at the Surry County property, and to participating in dog fights in other states.

In paragraph 4, Vick admits that the enterprise involved gambling activities in violation of Virginia law. Vick denies that he placed side bets on any fights, or that he received process from the purses. (However, he admits that he was the primary source of funds for the operation. If the winnings went only to his co-defendants, then that's less money Vick had to give them to get them to continue to tend to the operation while he was "at work" for the Atlanta Falcons.)

In paragraph 9, Vick admits that he began acquiring dogs for the operation in "2001-2002," and that the "Bad Newz Kennels" were established in 2002.

In paragraph 12, Vick admits that he knew the other defendants "killed a number of dogs" that did not perform well in testing sessions in 2002. Vick denies killing any dogs at that time.

In paragraph 32, Vick admits that in April 2007 -- the same month in which he say face-to-face with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and denied that dog fighting was occurring on his land -- he agreed with Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips to kill six-to-eight dogs that did not perform well in testing sessions. Here's the key passage:

"[A]ll of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning. VICK agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK."

Case closed. He admits to gambling, and he admits to killing dogs.

Someone at ESPN has some serious explaining to do.

[Kiwon]

The above headline, "VICK ADMITS EVERYTHING" is dramatic but inaccurate. He did not admit everything.

He admitted just enough to satisfy the requirements of the plea deal and LEFT OUT the specific details that would do the most long-term damage to his reputation. He admits to collective guilt (with the others) in the killing of dogs but does not admit to killing any dogs individually. We don't know exactly what his role was and so are left with a "he said/she said" situation.

If the judge doesn't make him confess in detail, it will end up the co-defendants' accounts versus what Vick says. Obviously, Vick is trying to salvage what's left of his reputation and increase his chances of returning back to football and the public limelight.

I understand what his lawyers and handlers are doing but I hope the judge will not accept anything other than the full details of the actions of each defendant. In this case, the public wants to know the exact truth.

Otherwise, we will have to settle for what comes out in a "tell-all" book that one of the co-defendants will eventually publish. It that case, however, the details about Vick will be just heresay and not legal fact.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/vick-summary-of-facts-070824.pdf

[Rastak]

The above headline, "VICK ADMITS EVERYTHING" is dramatic but inaccurate. He did not admit everything.

He admitted just enough to satisfy the requirements of the plea deal and LEFT OUT the specific details that would do the most long-term damage to his reputation. He admits to collective guilt (with the others) in the killing of dogs but does not admit to killing any dogs individually. We don't know exactly what his role was and so are left with a "he said/she said" situation.

If the judge doesn't make him confess in detail, it will end up the co-defendants' accounts versus what Vick says. Obviously, Vick is trying to salvage what's left of his reputation and increase his chances of returning back to football and the public limelight.

I understand what his lawyers and handlers are doing but I hope the judge will not accept anything other than the full details of the actions of each defendant. In this case, the public wants to know the exact truth.

Otherwise, we will have to settle for what comes out in a "tell-all" book that one of the co-defendants will eventually publish. It that case, however, the details about Vick will be just heresay and not legal fact.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...cts-070824.pdf

He admitted the killing of eight dogs was a collective effort of the three of them. He claims he never made side bets but admits to putting up the money to bet on his dogs. Vick is trying to split hairs but it isn't working. He admits in writing to killing dogs and gambling.

There is one interesting thing in there though. He has agreed to provide information on other dog fighting rings....now if he produces enough evidence for other charges on other people he really might escape with less than a year in the can. Per some attorney on ESPN radio, that sort of information is the only thing that might get him leniency.