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    Waiting his turn
    By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports

    GREEN BAY, Wis. – It was almost 9:30 p.m. and Aaron Rodgers was the last one on the field. Yet, the masses waited.

    More than 100 Green Bay Packers fans, almost 50 yards away, clung to the fences and spilled into the street, quietly watching and waiting. Rodgers knows that feeling – watching and waiting. Across the way, he used the moment to speculate about his future in the eyes of those very fans and his somewhat frustrating existence with this franchise.

    "You know, it's funny how things work out," Rodgers said, philosophizing on his awkward existence behind Brett Favre. "I was such a huge Joe Montana fan growing up. And when Joe left for the Chiefs and Steve (Young) took over, I hate to say it, but I really wasn't a 49ers fan anymore. But since I've been in the league, I've become a big Steve Young fan. I always respected his talents, but now that I can really understand what he had to go through as a player and a person."

    This is what it sounds like to be a first-round pick and sitting on the bench behind a league deity for the third year in a row. Rodgers says he's not anxious … then talks about being a starter the way a starving man would describe his first bite of filet mignon. He claims he's not discouraged … but later says, "If things don't work out here, they'll work out somewhere."

    And because history has taught him so, Rodgers says he fully expects he'll see virtually no action in 2007. Just like last season. Just like the season before that, too. But this time around the mothballing will sting a little more, because for the first time in Rodgers' career, Packers decision makers and Rodgers think he is finally prepared to be the team's starting quarterback.

    "I will be ready to take over from day one – in a year, if that's when it happens," said Rodgers, who has played in five games and completed 15 of 31 pass attempts for the Packers. "Who knows? I don't know if that's when it's going to happen. It might be in year five for me. And it might be with another team.

    "Hopefully it's in Green Bay."

    Not that anyone wants to get carried away with that notion. Like every other quarterbacking icon who has come and gone in league history, nobody wants to be perceived as pushing Favre out the door. Rather, they use code words like "preparation" and "planning." Talk to the people whose job standing will bear the brunt of Favre's eventual departure, notably general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy, and they say Rodgers is: 1.) Prepared. 2.) The Post-Favre Plan.

    When either of those statements will mean anything is anyone's guess.

    "You can plan this whole thing as well as you can, but ultimately, it depends on that iconic player, whether it's Brett Favre or John Elway or whoever," Thompson said. "Whenever he decides that's it for him, then you better have your cards. At certain times, the Packers had a player in place that they felt like could be the successor, but Brett continued to play. Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks. Through the years, there's always been a plan."

    And Thompson said at this stage, Rodgers is it unequivocally. Not because they don't have other options, but because the organization has faith that he has become the player they hoped he would be when they drafted him in 2005. Indeed, when it comes to the belief in Rodgers' ability to take over, all hands appear to be on deck. This despite some notion in league circles – and nobody can say where it came from – that Green Bay wasn't sold on Rodgers after McCarthy came aboard before the 2006 season. There were even offseason rumors that Rodgers was on the trade block, and that the Packers were interested in Daunte Culpepper. As it turns out, neither came to fruition.

    However, two 49ers sources did tell Yahoo! Sports last season that McCarthy, who was San Francisco's offensive coordinator prior to joining the Packers, played a role in the franchise passing over Rodgers in favor of Alex Smith in the 2005 NFL draft. But McCarthy insists he believes Rodgers has the tools to succeed Favre and be a success in Green Bay.

    As for whether the quarterback can handle the fan hangover that will come with the departure of a franchise legend, everyone shrugs. Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who has conferred with Rodgers at offseason golf tournaments over the last two summers, knows precisely what is coming.

    "It's as tough as it gets," Shanahan said. "With great players, everybody just remembers the great years. They don't remember the tough times. They remember the Super Bowl wins. They don't remember the tough losses or mistakes. I've seen John Elway and Joe Montana and the guys who followed them. What about what Steve Young went through when Joe left? Steve got booed after two NFC Championship games. That's the nature of this game, and the pressure the next guy has to carry."

    McCarthy backed Shanahan's sentiments.

    "Brett Favre is part of the fiber of a tradition here," McCarthy said. "He may go down as the greatest Packer ever.

    "There's no way to avoid that. We're going through (his retirement). Either it's going to happen next year or in the next few years. Aaron is starting his career in a situation like few guys have ever had to in NFL history. There was the guy who replaced Elway, the guy who replaced Montana, and Aaron is the guy who will replace Brett Favre."

    When that will actually happen, well, the franchise is in a collective shrug.

    Rodgers might be ready, and Green Bay's coaches and executives might agree, but until Favre no longer wants to be the Packers' starting quarterback, the status quo won't change. But while Rodgers might not know his ultimate fate with this franchise, there are some undeniable facts that define his progression up to this point.

    First, coaches and executives say he's a noticeably more polished player now than when he was drafted. His weight is down to a svelte 217. His body fat percentage is at a career-best 10-percent. His arm strength is up, thanks to the same shoulder and core-muscle conditioning that added zip to the ball of Saints quarterback Drew Brees. His mechanics are improved – from his footwork to where he holds the ball in the pocket. And his understanding of the West Coast offense is more complete than it has ever been.

    Beyond the fine-tuning of his game, the franchise has been very pleased with the character he's shown while waiting for an opportunity. While Favre has seen the generation gap grow between himself and a roster that continues to get younger, Rodgers has been able to grow close to and mature alongside the team's next generation of core players. Once criticized by scouts as having a needling cockiness that could alienate teammates, there hasn't been a hint of drama as he's been nothing less than amazingly deferential to Favre.

    That attitude is no small point. Rodgers is too smart to ever admit it publicly – in fact, he might even deny it – but he and Favre are not fishing buddies. While some media members have played up their relationship, the truth is that they are teammates in the most businesslike fashion. They don't go out of their way to spend quality time together in the offseason. They don't text message. They don't have some Karate Kid style kinship. The reality is that Rodgers is learning from Favre the only way the elder has allowed him to – by watching and listening.

    "I think he watches Brett and sees things that he might want to emulate," Thompson said. "Brett is his own man, which is probably more unusual than most cases with iconic quarterbacks. But Aaron is his own man as well. He's very well respected by guys in that locker room. He's worked hard to earn that confidence."

    But Rodgers has certainly noticed what is going on around the league. He has watched other young quarterbacks such as Smith, Vince Young, Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler walk into starting jobs. Rodger shrugs off those players, calling them "different situations on different teams," but coaches know he's paying attention.

    "Trust me, he knows exactly what Alex Smith is doing," McCarthy said. "He knows exactly how Alex Smith is playing and what the statistics are. Those are motivating factors for him – trust me on that."

    Eventually, that motivation will play itself out. Until then, Rodgers has finally become the entire contingency plan – the proverbial red button that sits behind glass, waiting to be pushed. What happens when it finally comes about is anyone's guess.

    "There's no way you can't be cognizant of the pressure and what this all means," Rodgers said. "I know what's coming. This isn't going to be easy at all. But if I do get the opportunity to start here – and I hope I will – I'm going to be following what will probably be 270 straight starts, a Super Bowl win, three MVPs, an all-time touchdown record and an all-time wins record for a quarterback. It's going to be tough duty."

    Particularly now that Rodgers and his supporters feel he's finally ready.

    Charles Robinson is a national NFL writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send Charles a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
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  • #2
    In an alternate universe A-Rod would be traded to Atlanta for a first round pick and he would then become a 4-time MVP.

    For now I think Aaron Rodgers is Brett's backup for two more years.

    I do think he has plenty of ball skills but its his feet that bother me. Good quarterbacks sense pressure and react to it, even as they continue to focus downfield, by moving in the pocket or picking the right moment to get out of the pocket. So far--even in the Family Night practice--the play just flat out busts apart the moment Aaron feels pressure.

    If it's not too late for him to learn to deal with pressure I think he could be pretty damn good in 2009.
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    • #3
      What I would like to see this preseason is alot of Aaron Rodgers and little or no Brett Favre.
      I say Start Aaron Rodgers and have him play at least 3 quarters for the first 3 games. 4th game start Favre and have Rodgers and the 3rd string finish.
      To much of a good thing is an awesome thing

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Packface
        What I would like to see this preseason is alot of Aaron Rodgers and little or no Brett Favre.
        I say Start Aaron Rodgers and have him play at least 3 quarters for the first 3 games. 4th game start Favre and have Rodgers and the 3rd string finish.
        I second that.
        Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!

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        • #5
          Its time for us to see what we've got with Aaron Rodgers
          To much of a good thing is an awesome thing

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          • #6
            Favre said this week that he needs reps to find a rhythm with the new players. I say Favre is it until he feels comfortable with the timing and he and his receivers are on the same page. It's more important to me going into the season to have Favre feeling good than to know what his backup can do.
            "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MJZiggy
              Favre said this week that he needs reps to find a rhythm with the new players. I say Favre is it until he feels comfortable with the timing and he and his receivers are on the same page. It's more important to me going into the season to have Favre feeling good than to know what his backup can do.
              I agree Ziggy. We've got 'plenty' of time to train Rogers. We can start in week 6.... :P

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              • #8
                "He has watched other young quarterbacks such as Smith, Vince Young, Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler walk into starting jobs. Rodger shrugs off those players, calling them "different situations on different teams," but coaches know he's paying attention."

                A-rod needs to be grateful he has been able to sit and watch rather than try to take over a team as a rookie or second year player. While the young QB's above have had some success there are MANY more young QB's who were forced into starting positions before they were ready like Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, David Carr, and Andrew Walter. All of those guys could have benefited from sitting a year or two on the bench.

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                • #9
                  During the broadcast of Family Night they were saying that Favre wants to get even more PT than normal in the preseason to try and get his timing down with the younger guys since he has missed a few practices. It's still preseason though, so that might mean 4 series instead of 3. I do hope that we get to see a lot of Rodgers. I was pretty impressed with his performance Saturday. He does seem to get a little jumpy in the pocket sometimes but he was under constant pressure. The thing I was most impressed with was his arm strength. I don't remember him having an overly strong arm, but he was getting plenty of zip on it.
                  Go PACK

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MJZiggy
                    Favre said this week that he needs reps to find a rhythm with the new players. I say Favre is it until he feels comfortable with the timing and he and his receivers are on the same page. It's more important to me going into the season to have Favre feeling good than to know what his backup can do.
                    Favre can get his reps with those players during practice.
                    Rodgers needs to show he can perform with a stadium full of eyes and TV eyes on him.
                    To much of a good thing is an awesome thing

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                    • #11
                      Really, "sitting on your ass for a few years and relearning how to play QB" is really the only way a Tedford quarterback is actually going to find success in the NFL. If Rodgers doesn't pan out after all the time we've taken to "fix" him, then nobody should ever draft another QB out of Cal as long as Tedford is running that offense.
                      </delurk>

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                      • #12
                        Great Snickers commercial. "Not going anywhere for awhile?"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by oregonpackfan
                          "He has watched other young quarterbacks such as Smith, Vince Young, Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler walk into starting jobs. Rodger shrugs off those players, calling them "different situations on different teams," but coaches know he's paying attention."

                          A-rod needs to be grateful he has been able to sit and watch rather than try to take over a team as a rookie or second year player. While the young QB's above have had some success there are MANY more young QB's who were forced into starting positions before they were ready like Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, David Carr, and Andrew Walter. All of those guys could have benefited from sitting a year or two on the bench.
                          Marvin Lewis' plan to develop Carson Palmer could be a benchmark for the rest of the league.

                          That said, Lewis would continue to play Favre he he had our situation.

                          ARod has to wait and be ready to develop when the chance comes up. I think Brett plays 2008 and begins to pass the torch. I still don't know if ARod can handle that gig. He's improving, but he isn't there yet.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Packface
                            What I would like to see this preseason is alot of Aaron Rodgers and little or no Brett Favre.
                            I say Start Aaron Rodgers and have him play at least 3 quarters for the first 3 games. 4th game start Favre and have Rodgers and the 3rd string finish.
                            Brett Favre is on record saying that he wants more preseason work than he's been getting the past two preseason's. To know who his go to guy's are.

                            Favre is far and away the best we have going for us on the 'O' to win this season, and he needs lots of work and to feel very comfortable leading up to Philly.

                            He needs to know what all the new offensive players can do with him behind center.

                            What else makes good or proper sense?

                            Aaron Rodgers is merely our back-up now and why do we have to confirm anything more than that? Favre should be playing (at least) early into the second half. We need to establish some momentum with our offense only with our starting QB.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by woodbuck27
                              Originally posted by Packface
                              What I would like to see this preseason is alot of Aaron Rodgers and little or no Brett Favre.
                              I say Start Aaron Rodgers and have him play at least 3 quarters for the first 3 games. 4th game start Favre and have Rodgers and the 3rd string finish.
                              Brett Favre is on record saying that he wants more pre-season work than he's been getting the past two pre season's. To know who his go to guy's are.

                              Favre is far and away the best we have going for us on the 'O' to win this season, and he needs lots of work and to feel very comfortable leading up to Philly.

                              He needs to know what all the new offensive players can do with him behind center.

                              What else makes good or proper sense?
                              Maybe I'm not remembering clearly but....
                              Didn't Favre play the entire first half of every preseason game last year?(or close to it)
                              Roethlesberger and Brees were done after the 1st or 2nd series in Sundays Preseason opener. Why is it that Favre can't learn who his offensive go-to guys are in practice against the 1st string defense?

                              Why not throw Arod into the water and see if he sinks or swims?
                              To much of a good thing is an awesome thing

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