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  • JOLLY SHINING

    Jolly makes big push
    Defensive tackle impresses in camp
    By BOB McGINN
    bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007

    Green Bay - It sure seemed that Robert Nunn was guilty of temerity when, a few days before the start of training camp, he made the rather startling observation that Johnny Jolly wasn't far off from being a starting-caliber player for the Green Bay Packers.

    Today, the team's co-defensive line coach looks neither rash nor bold after Jolly's terrific performance in the first week of practice. On Monday, Jolly was rewarded with a berth at right defensive tackle on the No. 1 defense.

    Jolly had a big scrimmage Saturday night and another good day in practice Monday afternoon. The Packers are five deep at the position and the rotation isn't even close to being settled, but Jolly's ascension isn't without significance, either.

    Given that Ryan Pickett and Corey Williams return as solid starters, Justin Harrell was drafted in the first round and Colin Cole played 327 more snaps than Jolly in 2006, isn't it ridiculous to think that Jolly could be starting Sept. 9 against Philadelphia?

    "That's not ridiculous at all," said Reggie McKenzie, the club's director of pro personnel.

    Despite the fact that Harrell's name was listed No. 1 at right tackle on the camp-opening depth chart, Williams and Cole actually ran first string for most of the first nine practices and the intra-squad scrimmage. Jolly and Pickett were second string, with Harrell and rookie Daniel Muir third string.

    Neither Jolly nor Pickett was allowed to practice until the fourth day of camp, one day after they passed a conditioning exercise that they flunked July 27.

    Pickett did and still does look somewhat out of shape. Jolly's weight was fine and his conditioning seemed OK, but for some reason he fizzled on test day.

    That's ancient history now. Pickett was back starting Monday alongside Jolly, with Williams and Cole No. 2 and Harrell and Muir still No. 3.

    Barring a trade, five tackles are expected to make the 53-man roster. Barring injury, one of the five probably won't be active on game day.

    "That's a strong position for us," McKenzie said. "To tell you the truth, in this situation the (exhibition) games will separate that. Just let them all battle."

    On Saturday night, Jolly opened at right tackle for the No. 2 defense against the No. 1 offense. On three of the first four plays he flashed exactly the improved play that the coaches have been seeing daily.

    Brandon Jackson's 2-yard gain on a draw play would have been more if Jolly hadn't shed the block by center Scott Wells to make the tackle.

    Then, after Greg Jennings came down inside to make a 5-yard reception, Jolly showed outstanding hustle and charged back to help on the tackle.

    On the next play, Noah Herron burst for 5 away from Jolly, who once more got off Wells to make the stop.

    "Very active," McKenzie said. "He's not a situational guy. He is complete."

    Having missed the first four practices, Jolly did have fresh legs when allowed to practice last Tuesday. But that can't begin to account for how well he has fared in the one-on-one pass rush drill.

    In the span of a week, Jolly has taken 12 turns against a total of nine different offensive linemen. By subjective judgment, Jolly has beaten his man nine times, lost two and had one draw.

    Now compare Jolly's production against his fellow competitors. Harrell owns a 4-10-5 record, followed by Muir (3-11-6), Pickett (1-3), Cole (1-6) and Williams (0-4-2).

    Even end Cullen Jenkins, regarded as the team's best inside rusher, is just 4-7-1. And the majority of Jenkins' repetitions have come against the same people trying to block Jolly.

    Jolly has displayed a new spin move, much like Jenkins'. He has the size (6 feet 3 inches, 325 pounds) to bull rush but also the skill to get on the edge of blockers.

    "He's got quick feet and he's got quick hands," McKenzie said. "That's why he's pretty good there (rushing the passer)."

    Jolly wasn't first on this watch list or that All-American team, nor was he even all-state as a prep in Houston. He made all-district three times, backed up nose tackle Ty Warren as a freshman at Texas A&M before starting the next three seasons (6½ sacks) and was drafted by Green Bay in the sixth round.

    "I've never been on top," Jolly said. "I'm always the underdog, so I'll never stop fighting. I'm going to keep working until I get it (starting job). I mean, that's the only way to go. I'm trying to help my family."

    McKenzie loves what he has seen of Jolly's energy level and temperament this summer. This Jolly is better than the Jolly of '06, he says.

    "Good kid," McKenzie said. "Real good kid. Very likeable. I like his progress. He's more comfortable with his technique and his responsibilities. Without a doubt."

    By next week, McKenzie acknowledged that teams will have looked at exhibition tape and some might inquire about the Packers' interest in dealing a defensive tackle.

    "I'm sure other teams might come knocking," he said. "But I don't want to let any of those guys go."
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  • #2
    That's not your typical fluff piece.

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    • #3
      Jolly is a good hand and all, but he isn't the talent Harrell is. Jolly has developed a spin move and is real slick at knifing his body thru the line. Jolly gives us a strong rotation at DT.

      Cole might be trade bait. He went from starter to De-activated in one week last year.

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      • #4
        Jolly looked pretty good in the scrimmage... but, ragdolling Wells has to be taken with a grain of salt. One on one, I would expect most DT's to handle Wells fairly easily.

        That said, Wells really didn't have much trouble walking Harrell back two yds into the end zone on Jackson's TD run.

        Harrell has looked very pedestrian... I'm not worried about him though, coming back from the bicep injury is going to take time. I had hoped that Harrell could be in the starting lineup on run downs, but at this point he's not even close to ready.

        At this very early stage I think the starting lineups have to be:

        Run downs:
        Jenkins, Jolly, Pickett, Kampman

        Passing downs:
        KGB, Jenkins, Williams, Kampman

        At this point Harrell, Cole, Montegomery, Hunter, et al are rotation bodies.
        wist

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wist43
          Jolly looked pretty good in the scrimmage... but, ragdolling Wells has to be taken with a grain of salt. One on one, I would expect most DT's to handle Wells fairly easily.

          That said, Wells really didn't have much trouble walking Harrell back two yds into the end zone on Jackson's TD run.

          Harrell has looked very pedestrian... I'm not worried about him though, coming back from the bicep injury is going to take time. I had hoped that Harrell could be in the starting lineup on run downs, but at this point he's not even close to ready.

          At this very early stage I think the starting lineups have to be:

          Run downs:
          Jenkins, Jolly, Pickett, Kampman

          Passing downs:
          KGB, Jenkins, Williams, Kampman

          At this point Harrell, Cole, Montegomery, Hunter, et al are rotation bodies.
          +1
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          • #6
            Originally posted by wist43
            Jolly looked pretty good in the scrimmage... but, ragdolling Wells has to be taken with a grain of salt. One on one, I would expect most DT's to handle Wells fairly easily.

            That said, Wells really didn't have much trouble walking Harrell back two yds into the end zone on Jackson's TD run.

            Harrell has looked very pedestrian... I'm not worried about him though, coming back from the bicep injury is going to take time. I had hoped that Harrell could be in the starting lineup on run downs, but at this point he's not even close to ready.

            At this very early stage I think the starting lineups have to be:

            Run downs:
            Jenkins, Jolly, Pickett, Kampman

            Passing downs:
            KGB, Jenkins, Williams, Kampman

            At this point Harrell, Cole, Montegomery, Hunter, et al are rotation bodies.
            Good call on Jolly. You've been touting him since last year.
            Originally posted by 3irty1
            This is museum quality stupidity.

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            • #7
              This is really making that Cleveland offer on draft day seem like it would have been a good idea. If they had only known how much they already had developmentally at DT, they could have taken Cleveland's offer and drafted in their slots in the 2nd-4th rounds (correct me if I'm wrong on that). Then perhaps we look at a guy like Eric Weddle in the early second round, or someone at the skill position.

              Oh well, now we have a strong D-line, and will have fresh bodies to rotate during the season. I just hope Harrell doesn't become a wasted pick if they can't get him meaningful time on the field this year. Nice problem to have, I guess. Most teams aren't going to cry if someone like Jolly steps up or Williams becomes an even more complete player, but it's a bit of a high price to pay (a first rounder) to light a fire under other players' butts.

              If TT and staff had known that Jolly was going to step up like this and provide that depth, I wonder if they would have drafted someone other than Harrell in the 16th spot in the first round. Your thoughts?
              "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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              • #8
                Maybe if they know that, they take the offer...
                "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wist43
                  That said, Wells really didn't have much trouble walking Harrell back two yds into the end zone on Jackson's TD run.

                  Harrell has looked very pedestrian... I'm not worried about him though, coming back from the bicep injury is going to take time. I had hoped that Harrell could be in the starting lineup on run downs, but at this point he's not even close to ready.
                  I watched a different scrimmage. I didn't see who was in there on Jackson's two runs from the one. He was stuffed on one, and scored on the other. However, I watched Harrell on a few plays in the scrimmage. On two runs up the middle, the RB was stuffed for a 1-2 yard gains. On another, he walked Barbre into the backfield and knocked down a Rodgers pass. I don't think he looked as poor as it's been reported. At the worst, I think he can be a good run defender early.
                  "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                  • #10
                    Given how TT drafts, I don't think swapping picks with Cleveland would have had any impact on who he drafted. He doesn't go for the "name-brand" players but goes for who he thinks is the BPA.

                    So basically would be trading help now for another 1st next year. Having Harrel now gives us some options at DT, and we will see what people offer for the odd man out, thus getting that pick next year or maybe some specific help this year (TE ). Also we have great depth in the trenches (OL last year and now the DL).

                    Maybe the shifted picks could have netted us Moss

                    If Cleveland would mave thrown in another hard pick this year maybe TT would have went for it otherwise the trade as is doesn't stack up as well given how TT drafts.

                    Hope that made sense :P I don't think I artciulated that particularly well.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Carolina_Packer
                      If TT and staff had known that Jolly was going to step up like this and provide that depth, I wonder if they would have drafted someone other than Harrell in the 16th spot in the first round. Your thoughts?
                      Could be drafting DT Harrell at number one has given guys like Jolly reason to pick it up a few notches. Competition is good. I wonder what Jolly and the other DT's were thinking to themselves on draft day?

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                      • #12
                        As I recall it.

                        Johnny Jolly also came to us with a reputation as a natural leader and a solid attitude.

                        Maybe he'll feed off Aaron Kampman's work ethic and develop a fuller potential.
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                        • #13
                          If Jolly turns out to be a great run stopper with decent pass rushing skills than the Harrell pick was a waste because that’s exactly what Harrell will give us. We have so many guys at DT now that we probably will have to trade one away. I think we should of taken the Browns offer or even drafted Quinn are selves. I would rather be stacked at QB than DT. The only way I like this pick later on is if he becomes a force in the middle like one of Jacksonville's Dt’s. I'm hoping he does.
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                          • #14
                            With our smaller LBs, having as many sturdy DTs is a must. Neither Jolly or Williams is still a "sure-thing" as a consistent starter to this point, so I see no reason to label the Harrell pick a mistake yet.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Carolina_Packer
                              If they had only known how much they already had developmentally at DT,...........

                              If TT and staff had known that Jolly was going to step up like this and provide that depth,........... Your thoughts?

                              I'm not ready to assume that the staff didn't already know.

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