Favre, Thompson, Rogers. The End.

[RashanGary]

To whatever comes. We're all Packer fans. Hey, I think TT's doing good and it might prove to be groundless. You think he took over and hurt the team more than he helped it. That's why the games are played and that's why it's so much fun to watch sports. Woodbuck, PB, me, everyone. . . We just agree to disagree.

[woodbuck27]

I hear ya woody. We'll see how it goes. Hopefully it's a good season. I see some good things. You see some bad things. That's why the season should be fun.

to a great 2007 (hopefully, I have $100 on it )

Do yourself a real service and don't place a lot of money on our team this season.

We certainly won't win 8 games and I will most likely predict 5-6 wins at best. I just want to see how TT and MM handle Favre in the next two preseason games.

If he see's as little action as he did in TC 2005, then I believe that the Packers (we) are screwed big time in 2007.

Brett Favre needs work, and YES he has to be protected too.

The OL has that as a primary assignment. If Brett Favre goes down and the records don't fall. Then TT will feel more heat than any man should or deserve.

So as a reality check here is where we are on Aug.14,2007 after our first preseason game (a WIN !!!!) over the Steelers:

Brett Favre tells jokes

Favre kiddingly said Tuesday, "I may play five more years."

In reality, though, Favre acknowledged he is at a point in his 17-year pro career where he can't wait on the young receivers, running backs and tight ends to blossom in five years.

"I want to win now. I hope everyone else does, too," Favre said. "Talent alone, I've said that so many times, does not get you championships. Chemistry does. It's hard for me to tell stories (about the successes of Green Bay teams) when these guys were in high school. We have to find it fast."

The youth and accompanying inexperience coursing through the lineup have contributed to alignment and assignment breakdowns that are affecting Favre's decision making on throws.

"I'm having to maybe anticipate or be a little more apprehensive or reluctant or a little timid," he said.

"It's hard to anticipate a throw downfield when I'm a little unsure if he's going to break (the route) off where I think he is. It's hard to play that way. But that's the way it is."

Driver, a ninth-year Packer with whom Favre says he has a trust factor, understands the frustration his quarterback felt Saturday.

"I think everyone has to realize that everyone is not a rookie anymore. Just because we're a young team, you have to be a veteran in this group," Driver said.

"Right now, if we don't improve as an offense, it's going to be a long ride for us. So, we want to make sure that it's not a long season for us."

[SkinBasket]

Oh for f*ck's sake hoser, you're the one who made the argument, not me. I asked you to defend it and you failed... miserably. You didn't "defend your position." You ignored the question. My position is that you're full of shit and you've done nothing to diminish that position.

Maybe we can try again. What do you propose the Packers should have done to find the money to sign Rivera and Wahle?

Nope, I am sorry, but I did state my position. It is pretty obvious that you only read what you want to read and retain what you want to retain. Need proof? I never once said that we could have kept both Wahle and Rivera. So, either you are making shit up just to continue your one-sided argument, or you dont actually pay attention to what you read. Dont back track on me now. I asked you to state your point of view without the name calling and the childish ranting. If you cannot do it on your own, ask your mommy for help.

You're bad at this. Really, really bad. Ask Harlan for some pointers. He does what you're trying to do, but without looking like a clueless wingbat.

[Fritz]

Back on page three someone wrote that Hawk was a "no-brainer." That defies the spirited debate on this board that spring, when many, many posters felt that Vernon Davis, the TE, would be a much better pick for this team.

Whoever said that it appears TT supporters are willing to be more patient than the detractors seems to have hit the nail on the head.

As for Favre, I didn't hear the interview, but from what I've read he seems a bit grumpy or sad or something. But when you are the old dog, most of your former running buddies gone, and a whole new, young cast of co-workers surrounds you, lots of old-timers get a little grumpy or nostalgic for earlier days. That's pretty natural.

[Bretsky]

Whoever said that it appears TT supporters are willing to be more patient than the detractors seems to have hit the nail on the head.


Absolutely right

[Fritz]

The question is, how long does TT have?

I say if the team doesn't finish strong this year and show some real muscle, then TT is in hot water. If though the team finishes well, the offense begins to gel, the defense looks top five-ish, then TT gets next year to finish it and get them into the playoffs.

[Bretsky]

The question is, how long does TT have?

I say if the team doesn't finish strong this year and show some real muscle, then TT is in hot water. If though the team finishes well, the offense begins to gel, the defense looks top five-ish, then TT gets next year to finish it and get them into the playoffs.

His free pass is over in my book; he chose not to go FA with all the money.
The record needs to improve, at a bare minimum.

[The Shadow]

I think that this 'new' Packers team may very well need one more season of conditioning. The O-line, in particular.
An 8-8 record - if the growth continues - would not be a major disappointment for me.
I can be patient when it's clear the path is steadily upward.
I would like to see Rodgers inherit a team with a very effective defense & excellent pass protection.

[wist43]

The question is, how long does TT have?

I say if the team doesn't finish strong this year and show some real muscle, then TT is in hot water. If though the team finishes well, the offense begins to gel, the defense looks top five-ish, then TT gets next year to finish it and get them into the playoffs.

TT will be in the captains chair for several years to come - regardless of record.

I expect McCarthy will be extended in the middle of the '08 season. Nobody is going anywhere - regardless of record.

[PackerBlues]

Here is something to think about in regards to Thompsons job. Due to his concentrating on mainly just building the Defense up with free agency and the draft, our offense is so questionable that many of the records that Favre should break this year, may not be attainable. Fritz brought up a good point in the fact that Ted could have just as easily have picked TE Vernon Davis instead of A.J. Hawk. That by the way, would have also have been a no-brainer pick (a pick nobody would have questioned). Moot point since Ted has focused so much more attention on Defense. I am not suggesting that it will be a deciding factor, but it is one more thing to grate on the nerves of Packer fans.


Favre is closing in on several more NFL records:

Second all-time in career passing touchdowns, with 414 (Marino, 420)

Needing only 7 TD's to take this record, how long do you think it will take with the Offense that Thompson is fielding this year? I doubt that anyone would worry about it if Thompson had put any effort into signing Moss.

Second all-time in career passing yards, with 57,500 (Marino, 61,361)

Less than 4,000 yards to surpass this record, yet with Thompson thinking its ok to turn a HOF QB into a Dilfer clone, getting this record is very questionable.

Second all-time in career pass attempts, with 8,223 (Marino, 8,358)

This one should be gravy, Favre has led the league the last two seasons in passing attempts. With Running back by committee, I have no doubt that M3 is going to have to cut Favre lose enough times to let Favre surpass this record by a country mile and then some.

Second all-time in single stadium passing yards, with 25,765 (Elway, 27,889)

Favre would need over 2,000 yards passing at home to get this record. i do not see it happening in just this year alone. I would say it was possible, just not with Thompsons Offense. (I wonder if the Milwaukee games counted towards this record)

Second all-time in career points by a quarterback, with 2,562 (Marino, 2,574)

As good as done! First game of the year?

Second all-time in career interceptions thrown by a quarterback, with 273 (George Blanda, 277)

This should be no problem at all. It should be easy for this Offense to continue to fall so far behind their opponents, that M3 will be forced once again to ask Favre to carry the Offense.........nothing new. It will also help if Ferguson and Franks are playing, to tip the ball to, or in Fergusons case, hand the ball to, a defender.

Second all-time in career record and wins by a starting quarterback regular season and playoffs combined, at 158-99 (Elway, 162-90-1)

Anyone think Favre may have to play one more season for this record?

Second all-time in most career 20 touchdown seasons by a quarterback, with 12 (Marino, 13)

This record was close to being tied last year, Favre had 18 TD's, Since I do not see any real significant improvement to this Offense over last years, I have my doubt that Favre will get this record.

Tied - Second all-time in career regular season record by a starting quarterback, at 147-90 (Elway, 148-82-1; Marino, 147-93)

Gravy Train with Biscuit Wheels!

Tied - Second all-time in career regular season wins by starting quarterback, with 147 (Elway, 148; Marino, 147)

Gravy

Third all-time in career starts by an NFL quarterback, with 237 (Marino, 147-93; Tarkenton, 125-109-6 Both had 240)

Gravy

Third all-time in career consecutive starts by an NFL player, with 237 (Mick Tingelhoff, 240; Jim Marshall, 270)

Even if he played one more season beyond this year, he would be just shy of taking this record from Marshall.

Third all-time in career games by a quarterback, with 241 (Marino, 242; Tarkenton, 246)(Earl Morrall, 255 and George Blanda, 340 played more games, but most of their games were as kickers only)

wow

Some of these record will have nothing to do with the Offense that Thompson has given the Packers this year, others, will have people talking all year long.

[Spaulding]

This year is the litmus test I would think/hope. If the team in it's 3rd year under Thompson doesn't show substantial improvement I'd pray that TT's job would be up in the air or at least definitely on the line in 2008.

With regard to guard decisions in 2005 - he miscalculated and screwed up but things really went South with all the injuries. With regard to JWalk, I think there was fault on both sides and that if he'd have been healthy in 2005 that TT would have anted up and given him a raise for playing but when he got hurt things spiraled down from there. I thought 2006 was an encouraging year with the exception of the home blowouts which hurt and glaringly show how poor we are compared to decent teams outside the NFC North (initial Bears blowout not withstanding as it was 9-0 at the half and two blown coverages in the 2nd half sealed the fate).

His draft this year left me scratching my head a bit and his failure to address the TE position I see as another mistake but I think the safety and running back positions will work themselves out successfully in time for the regular season.

If the team is competitive this year and makes strides I fully expect TT to sign an impact FA this coming offseason to put us over the hump.

If the team isn't competitive or if the team is but still has holes that TT doesn't at least somewhat address through FA then I'll leave the fence and join in on the rants against the polar bear.

For all the anti-TT people though, what GM's do a consistantly better job? Going into last year the NE WR situation was a mess and it remainded that way throughout the season. Add to that their lack of depth in the secondary and being forced to play Troy Brown at times suggest a lack of the GM to address needs of Brady for playmakers and overall team depth and yet they produce.

Way too much is slammed against TT when he should be gauged just as much on his choice of head coach and the fact he will live and die with his performance almost as much as the players he drafts and FA moves he does or doesn't make.

Who knows what goes on behind closed doors where maybe McCarthy tells TT that he's happy with the TE situation and thus TT doesn't address that. We have no idea. Then again for that fact maybe McCarthy does voice his concern about TE play and it unfortunately falls on TT's deaf ears.

Just love the posts where people make statements that suggest it's the word of God and not just their rightful input versus others with more tempered posts trying to dry debate and not arguments.

[PackerBlues]

Just love the posts where people make statements that suggest it's the word of God and not just their rightful input versus others with more tempered posts trying to dry debate and not arguments.

I enjoyed reading your post, looks like you have been around these forums longer than I have, but I have not seen to many of your posts. I will be looking forward to reading more of them.

[Spaulding]

Thanks PB. You originally from Richland Center? If not, my condolences are I used to live in Muscoda a long, long, long time ago and remember well heading to the "big city" of Richland Center. Nice people, nice area but not a lot going on. Then again living in SE Minnesota isn't much of a treat. Nothing like getting down with TA (Trans Am) lingo, considering it a blessing to be talking to somebody with a full set of teeth, having almost as many Walmarts as liquor stores and thinking Nascar and World Wrestling Federation are on par with the NFL. Then again I'm speaking about Viking fans (sorry Rastak, I consider you the exception) so I guess little should surprise me.

[PackerBlues]

LOL, I actually live in Muscoda right now, at the time that I joined these forums, I was living in RC, just never bothered to change it on my profile. Dont feel to bad, your not missing much from this area. Muscoda is still lame as all hell, and Richland Center still has a 10 to 1 ratio of churches to bars. The 3 bars in RC are also lame as all hell, lol.

[Spaulding]

Still 1099 on the population sign?? I assume it's greater as I went back there about 20 years ago and noticed they had built houses on the cornfields and woods my Brother and I used get in trouble in.

At least it's on the Wisconsin River for camping/fishing/boating. Plus you get the Packers/Badgers broadcast out of Madison I assume. Had to resort to setting up a slingbox at a family members house in Wisconsin to catch half the Packer and Badger games.