Ahman!

[Him8123]

well I just say Ahman`s gone not coming back. Loved him while he was here, great packer. But he`s gone, lets move on and give Jackson a chance.

[Scott Campbell]

This is a comment from Mr. Obvious, but you really can't judge the Ahman Green decision this year. He signed a 5 year contract (if memory serves), so that means Houston has to get good value out of him for 2 or 3 years.

Right now, losing Ahman looks bad, real bad. I think the VERY soonest we could evaluate is November, December when we see how Jackson and Green have developed and/or held up.

I think the outcome is somewhat irrelevent to the decision. That would be like crowning the lottery winner as brilliant for their purchase of the winning ticket. Sometimes stupid gambles turn out lucky.

Outcomes are always in doubt, so the real question should be IMO - was it a good bet, or not?

Based on his age, injuries, mileage, asthma, and history of the RB position productivity tailing off when a player gets over 30 - I think it was a good bet.

[Bretsky]

This is a comment from Mr. Obvious, but you really can't judge the Ahman Green decision this year. He signed a 5 year contract (if memory serves), so that means Houston has to get good value out of him for 2 or 3 years.
Right now, losing Ahman looks bad, real bad. I think the VERY soonest we could evaluate is November, December when we see how Jackson and Green have developed and/or held up.

Well, kind of true....except....my guess is knowing he was going to continue to hibernate over free agents, TT very well might have frontloaded that deal to hit this year's cap VERY Hard and use up it's space (much like Woodsen last year when we were left with so much money cap money to spend and not much to spend it on) and remain completely flexible for the future.

I'd have been fine by that; I think the TT lovers would be singing his praises as well for all that lovable money to spend sometime later

[cpk1994]

Wasting money hurts.

Some would argue we're doing just that by not spending it.

Then those people should go be vikings fans becuase they spend money like it is going out of style. Too bad many consider them to be worse then the Pack right now.

[4and12to12and4]

We should've resigned, allowing him to become the all-time rusher. He deserved it, and we screwed him. He IS much better than any back we have, and has at least two to three years left barring injury. We had and still have the money, so give me a reason to sit on it and let the guy go? Because he's not worth it? If you had 50,000 dollars to buy a car, and the only car you could buy was 42,000, but you thought it was only worth 31,000, would you take the money to you're grave with you and never spend it and ride a bike to work every day? Hmmm.

[Him8123]

what kind of bike are we talking here. I mean if it`s a Schwinn or a huffy thats a tough choice

[MJZiggy]

well I just say Ahman`s gone not coming back. Loved him while he was here, great packer. But he`s gone, lets move on and give Jackson a chance.

Go Brandon!!!

[RashanGary]

This is a comment from Mr. Obvious, but you really can't judge the Ahman Green decision this year. He signed a 5 year contract (if memory serves), so that means Houston has to get good value out of him for 2 or 3 years.

Right now, losing Ahman looks bad, real bad. I think the VERY soonest we could evaluate is November, December when we see how Jackson and Green have developed and/or held up.

I agree. I also think each little decision weighs, in sometimes unexpected ways, on the big picture as far as how this team did or didn't give itself the oppertunity for a SB run. Letting Green go probably will hurt short term. I tend to think it will be OK in the long term.

Overtime, there will be small effects of each decision that impacts the next 6-10 years in GB. For example, losing the guards hurt badly for one year, hurt some for a second year and now looks to be fixed for a long time. On an 8 year scale, the first two were bad and the last 6 seem good. That is acctually one of Thompsons worst situations, but when you look at his worste move with the big picture light cast on it, it doesn't look bad. Same goes iwth the RB. The first year this might be a negative, but over the course of Greens contract is it going to look the same. Who's to say we don't draft a RB in the first round next year and Jackson becomes a damn good back? It's just up in the air right now. Completely up in the air.

There are short term answers and there are long term answers. I tend to have patients to wait for the long term answers becuase I think you can get in a situation where if you find 4 long term asnwers per year, they build up better because they last longer. The short term ones, you are patching now and then patching again a year or two down the road. You take a step forward only to find a step back a year down the road. Sherman didn't find a lot of long term so nothing really started steam rolling. He acctually had us rolling backwards partly becuase of where he was drafting but you have ot have the vision to take a big picture approach even if it hurts for a year. If Sherman had been more patient, we would have lost a game or two more one year but it might have found the real answer the following year. You just can't let desperation rule all decisions.

Over time the team is being built the way Thompson wants it. This year we are going to see the start of what Thompson assembled. The next 5 years are going to define Thompsons stay as GM in Green Bay. It's a big wait and see.

[PackerTimer]

We should've resigned, allowing him to become the all-time rusher. He deserved it, and we screwed him. He IS much better than any back we have, and has at least two to three years left barring injury. We had and still have the money, so give me a reason to sit on it and let the guy go? Because he's not worth it? If you had 50,000 dollars to buy a car, and the only car you could buy was 42,000, but you thought it was only worth 31,000, would you take the money to you're grave with you and never spend it and ride a bike to work every day? Hmmm.

Well, I would never pay 42,000 for a 31,000 dollar car thats for sure.

[Scott Campbell]

..........would you take the money to you're grave with you and never spend it..........

I don't think your analogy works. Much of the money that Ahman would have got will eventually be spent on another player(s). Or car in your example. So nobody will be riding a bike.

[Him8123]

the players ride bikes in camp

[run pMc]

Hated to see Ahman go, but he's gone and I wish him well. For the record, I think he has at most 2 good years left. He's on the downside of 30, he's had a bad leg injury, and he's a punishing-style runner. I'm not saying he's going to turn into Eddie George overnight, but I don't think he'll last the length of his contract, which was pretty good one (for him) considering the above factors. I think he wanted to test FA, and I think TT wanted to let him to see what offers were out there. My guess is that between Sherman being down there, HOU having even less RB talent than GB, plus they're desperate to win with a barely tested backup in Schaub...so they needed a RB.
I was hoping we'd sign Henry...I wonder though, for as productive and tough as he played in BUF, why it seemed like some teams wouldn't touch him. I wonder if he's a cancer in the locker room?
As for the 4 game suspension thing, TT signed K-Rob...and IIRC that was after he got stopped by the cops in MN.
I'd like to see Morency healthy and see what kind of 1-2 punch they've got. Yeah, it's still early, but it's still a concern. There isn't anybody out there right now, maybe after the cuts there will be somebody. Unless something dramatic happens, I think TT upgrades the RB spot via next year's draft.

[4and12to12and4]

..........would you take the money to you're grave with you and never spend it..........

I don't think your analogy works. Much of the money that Ahman would have got will eventually be spent on another player(s). Or car in your example. So nobody will be riding a bike.

I hope you're right. Maybe TT knows where this money is going, but if it remains unspent ... well?

[RashanGary]

On a completely different note, I'm considering moving to Alaska and surveying land in 9 mos as I finish school. Most people in my class would never consider leaving the security of the town they grew up or do the work that I am going to be potentially doing. I like being outside though. I'm a smart guy, I dont' have to work physically but it invigorates me. I like the idea of being on foot in some of our country's last unmapped land. The big kicker is that I can make a lot of money and get experience in all aspects of surveying land. If I was a surveyor here, I'd be at a firm doing one thing all day. There I will get to do it all. I'll be able to bank some bills (yeah, that pays off later), be in a new environment, get some hard work (yeah, it's like riding a bike to work) and get experience that is an investment in myself. When I come back to this state, I intend on opening a buisness that is run by my wife and I. Right now our kids our young so we she will stay home and be the mother she enjoys being and in 8 years we might team up to have our own buisness. There is some short term sacrafice in my long term life goals, but I'm OK with that. I feel good about workign hard and taking risks. I want to look back and say I gave it everythign I had and that I wasn't affraid to do it my way. I hate to get into my life goals and then relate them to Thompson, but that is what I think he is doing. He believes in oppertunism and getting the real long term anser instead of the short term fix (I think it's similar to some of my sacrafices by moving to Alaska). He looks like he is getting beat up now, but he believes in himself and he enjoys the challenge. It might seem like hell to all of you, but it's just getting down to buisness for him and the joy he gets is that he feels he is doing the right thing. I'll bet that the people who are along side him will look back on what they went through and feel pretty good about everything they did. Some of the most rewarding things in life are the riskiest and hardest to do. I respect Thompson a lot. I acctually live my life a similar way and I share his inability to relate to poeple or communicate so that just makes him more likable to me.

When I'm out in Alaska, people will be saying "I'd never do that, good for him" but when my life is done and I look back on the big picutre, I think my wife and I will have fondness for the work we put in and the risks we took. I think my kids will see parents who were willing to stand by what they believe and take risks. They'll have adusted to moving and seeing different cultures within our country. Whatever, it might not be that deep and Thompson might jsut be an idiot that has no idea what he's doing but he might be a guy who doesn't mind getting his hands dirty and likes the rush of success and accomplishment more than he likes the comfort of doing it the easy way. Remember, doing it the easy way will just keep you on plane with everyoen else. This is the NFL, you need to be the best of 32. You have to find a way to be better than everyone else, not just on par.

[Him8123]

well good luck, get some chains for them tires on that bike all that snow and stuff.