Ahman!

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Every team has a position that is pretty bad. You guys get that, right?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Every team has a position that is pretty bad. You guys get that, right?

The good teams are not weak at running back.

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Every team has a position that is pretty bad. You guys get that, right?

The good teams are not weak at running back.

Ummmm.. Baltimore had a pretty poor running back last year. Every team has at least a weakness. Most teams have more than that. Everyone acts like we're the worst team in the league because we don't have world beaters at Tight End and Running Back.

Look at the Bears. They look pretty damn weak at running back this year because they don't have any experience there despite having a top pick there.

San Diego doesn't have a great secondary. Indianapolis' offensive line is looking pretty average this year and their front 7 leaves a lot to be desired. Jacksonville has some of the worst receivers in the league. New Orleans doesn't have a very good secondary. Kansas City has a poor offensive line and an adequate secondary. New England's linebackers are looking very, very old outside of Thomas. Their secondary isn't full of world beaters, either.

My point is that our team isn't the only one with some holes. We don't even know if we have holes at those positions, yet. Time will tell on that.

[BallHawk]

Ummmm.. Baltimore had a pretty poor running back last year.

When did having your RB run for 1100 yards and 9 TDs become bad?

[Partial]

Ummmm.. Baltimore had a pretty poor running back last year.

When did having your RB run for 1100 yards and 9 TDs become bad?

Jonathon Ogden my friend. Jamal Lewis is done. He hasn't been a good back since Prison.

[Zool]

Ummmm.. Baltimore had a pretty poor running back last year.

When did having your RB run for 1100 yards and 9 TDs become bad?

When you carry the ball 314 times behind a good line. And when your 3.6 ypc is actually up from the previous year.

[GBRulz]

Every team has a position that is pretty bad. You guys get that, right?

The good teams are not weak at running back.

Ummmm.. Baltimore had a pretty poor running back last year. Every team has at least a weakness. Most teams have more than that. Everyone acts like we're the worst team in the league because we don't have world beaters at Tight End and Running Back.

Look at the Bears. They look pretty damn weak at running back this year because they don't have any experience there despite having a top pick there.

San Diego doesn't have a great secondary. Indianapolis' offensive line is looking pretty average this year and their front 7 leaves a lot to be desired. Jacksonville has some of the worst receivers in the league. New Orleans doesn't have a very good secondary. Kansas City has a poor offensive line and an adequate secondary. New England's linebackers are looking very, very old outside of Thomas. Their secondary isn't full of world beaters, either.

My point is that our team isn't the only one with some holes. We don't even know if we have holes at those positions, yet. Time will tell on that.

I agree that even some of the better teams have weak spots. However, they have upgraded in other areas where we haven't. That's the big difference. I think we're going to be awesome in a couple of years, but I think we're in for another year of alot of rookie and young guy mistakes.

BTW, you're confusing the heck out of me because two days ago, you just said that Larry Johnson sucks, is the most overrated player in the league and how even you could run for 1200 yards behind that line. Today though, the OL is KC's big weakness.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Partial, Larry Johnson is not overrated, that is BS. I for one would love to see you run behind there line and then watch you get blow away.

As for your example of the Bears and Ravens having a bad running game, but still being good teams...........

The Bears had Thomas Jones last year ( a great back IMO), and I expect the Bears to be a lot worse on offense and the team as a whole if Benson can't pick up the slack.

The Ravens may have not had a GREAT back, but they still got the job done on the ground with Lewis and that’s what it comes down to. If the packers had a great on-line then I would not be as upset as I am for us losing Green. But without a great run blocking o-line and or a running back that can make things happen your running game is doomed.

[GBRulz]

The Bears had Thomas Jones last year ( a great back IMO), and I expect the Bears to be a lot worse on offense and the team as a whole if Benson can't pick up the slack.

Oh come on, it's going to be Wrex's breakout year, they'll have a great offense

[Partial]

Every team has a position that is pretty bad. You guys get that, right?

The good teams are not weak at running back.

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I agree that even some of the better teams have weak spots. However, they have upgraded in other areas where we haven't. That's the big difference. I think we're going to be awesome in a couple of years, but I think we're in for another year of alot of rookie and young guy mistakes.

BTW, you're confusing the heck out of me because two days ago, you just said that Larry Johnson sucks, is the most overrated player in the league and how even you could run for 1200 yards behind that line. Today though, the OL is KC's big weakness.

It is a weakness today. Last year and the year before, there were two more hall-of-famers starting on it. I don't think he'll match the totals of previous years. At least on yds/carry.

Larry is a good back. Top 10 in the league probably. I think he is really overrated though. Sportscenter and the general public think he is the 2nd coming where as I see him as not being spectacular.

I agree on the notion of other teams patching the holes. I feel like a lot of people out there just don't release that other teams in the NFL are not all perfect.

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Agreed on just about all of it. KC isn't that good, though.

[Patler]

I agree that even some of the better teams have weak spots. However, they have upgraded in other areas where we haven't. That's the big difference. I think we're going to be awesome in a couple of years, but I think we're in for another year of alot of rookie and young guy mistakes.

The packers haven't upgraded? Do you only consider upgrading to be via FAs only, and not via young players improving?

Compared to 2005, the O-line should be better and deeper, the d-line is much better, starting linebackers much better and the d-backs much better and deeper. Punting is better, kicking is better.

For the most part, I expect that all of those will be better than they were in 2006, too. I also expect the receivers to be improved over 2006, certainly deeper than 2006. All aspects of the defense should be better, including nickel and dime play.

[GBRulz]

The packers haven't upgraded? Do you only consider upgrading to be via FAs only, and not via young players improving?

Compared to 2005, the O-line should be better and deeper, the d-line is much better, starting linebackers much better and the d-backs much better and deeper. Punting is better, kicking is better.

For the most part, I expect that all of those will be better than they were in 2006, too. I also expect the receivers to be improved over 2006, certainly deeper than 2006. All aspects of the defense should be better, including nickel and dime play.

Of course the players are going to continue to develop. Take the OL and learning the ZBS for example...They are perfecting technique vs learning the system, like last year. They are already way ahead. I'm not comparing the team from two years ago. I'm saying last year. IMO, our #1 weakness was the TE's and no, I don't see where we've upgraded in that area.

Whether you agree with letting Green go or not, the RB hole is our biggest question mark for this year, so no - I don't feel we've upgraded that, either. Now, maybe in two years Jackson will turn out to be pretty good, I'm certainly hoping for that as we all are.

No, FA isn't the only way to upgrade a team, but it certainly can help address problem areas sooner then waiting for a rookie to possibly develop.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If the OL blocks, I don't see RB as being a huge issue with Morency, Jackson, and Herron.

At TE, I'm not convinced that Bubba is his old self, but there are signs that he may be. If he is, we are the same at that position as we have been for 7 years, and better than last year. Bubba was awful last year. If the OL can block with needing as much help, then that will allow the TEs to be used in the passing game more.

I'm actually worried about 3 things, more than anything: 1) OL, 2) the health of Harris and Woodson, 3) Bigby. Last year, we had to have a dozen or more things go absolute right to be decent. This year, I don't see as many ifs. If these 3 things happen, we'll be pretty darn good. The OL needs to be solid, and not just pass blocking. The starting corners need to stay healthy. Bigby needs to be a big improvement on Manuel.

[PackerBlues]

First of all, to say that "every team has a position that is bad", is no excuse to leave a position bad, without trying to improve it if at all possible. That being said, I agree with Harvey, that the Packers success in the running game is going to depend more on our O-lines ability to open holes/running lanes, than it will depend on who we have playing the RB position. No holes/running lanes, no running game. Of the running backs we have, I actually think that Herron may prove to be the most consistant, or at least, we have no proof that he wouldn't be when compared to Morency and Jackson.

As for Bubba, I dont think he ever lost a step, I think that he has always been a slacker. At the end of the year before his contract was up, we saw Bubba make some great plays over the middle for long yardage. He signed his contract, and went right back to being mediocre. This year, the team smartly removed Bubba from the starting TE position, and it looks like he may be playing with some effort again.

[superfan]

Re: Ahman!

Anybody watch him carve up the Cowgirls in the first half?

Anybody else find it funny that a thread that started with this simple phrase has generated (as of now) almost 140 posts and almost 1500 views?

I think people are ready for some football.