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    Caught some of ESPN radio this a.m. and they were asking Mort for his division picks. It would seem the national media is now coming around in it's evaluation of the Packer D slowly but surely.

    When asked about the NFC North and if there might be a surprise team, he said it was GB because of their D, but he also said it was a shame nothing has been done to surround Favre with talent.

    Whenever, myselfy Bretsky, Merlin, woodbuck or retailguy (just to name a few) make any criticism of Thompson's failure in this area, we're labeled as TT bashers. What I find hilarious about that is that our view is also pretty much the same view as the majority of national media since most have all stated the same thing. So I have to ask, is Mort a TT basher?

    I remember all through the FA period, the mantra of the Thompson brigade here was we're to far away from competing for a SB to waste money on a free agent cause it won't make a difference. Now you guys know who you are, so I don't think I have to go back and single anyone out.

    Plain and simple, you guys were as wrong as wrong can be. This Packer team was not as far away as some of you wanna claim and your hero is at fault for sitting on his hands. Some of us tried to make the case that Thompson should not waste Favre's last playing days and we were met with the same stupid reply that Teddy is building for the future. Well, this may come as a shock, but the future could have been now.

    Favre is'nt the only one nearing the end. We have a couple of CB's who also are running out of time to still be effective. Thompson under-evaluated this defense. Had he been paying attention, he would have seen the potential of this unit to be dominant. Had he been paying attention, he would have seen the chance in this watered down league, to make a run at the title.

    What you guys claim to be TT bashing is nothing more than some of us seeing what could have been and voicing our frustration. In order to illustrate the point, let's focus on the 2 area's that this offense is lacking in. Now I know a few here wanted to dillude themselves into believing that Morency was a #1 back or that Jackson was gonna come in and save the day. Neither has happened as some of us predicted. Jackson may become a serviceable back, but he is nothing special.

    Morency just can't stay on the field and he also is nothing special. To further illustrate my point, compare both with the Ahman Green of a few years back. Our guys just don't have that burst needed to make the stretch play work. They don't have the strength to consistently break tackles. In this league, it's essential to have a back that can either make a move or break the tackle of the first defender cause the holes are very small and close very quickly. There is a reason why most star RB's in the NFL were studs in there college days and were high picks. You just can't plug anyone in there. Denver made it work but that is 1 team out of 32.

    Next is the importance of having a solid TE. Does anyone realize how many teams have not 1 but 2 solid above avg TE's? Most teams have realized the critical nature of the position in an offense and have focused on having talent. Our guy, still has the mentality that you can put anyone there, even converted FB's.

    The sad part of all this is it did'nt have to be this way. I guarentee if we had a Travis Henry at RB and an Eric Johnson or Daniel Graham at TE, we'd all be talking super bowl right now. The money was there and it would'nt have broken the bank. The time was now, not 2 or 3 years from now. Teddy has blown a golden chance that does'nt come along all that often and he need's to be held accountable.

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    Can't we just all be friends?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TPF
      Can't we just all be friends?
      Nah, it's an all out war.

      Excuse the subtle pun.
      "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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      • #4
        TT is doing a lot of things well (draft, re-signing players, etc), but I can agree that he needs to be some what more aggressive in free agency. This team really isn't as bad as some people here think and if we had a little more on offense we would have a good chance this year.

        I understand the argument of having a lot of free agents in 2008/2009 and needing the money to re-sign those players, but by then Favre, Harris, Woodson, Tauscher, and Clifton will be done or almost done. Why not take a chance now while we don't have lots of free agents? This is my main problem with TT.
        Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!

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        • #5
          Are you hitting the crackpipe again? Travis Henry and Bubba2.0/injury waiting to happen and we're talking superbowl? Balogna!

          We're a boarderline six seed. If a lot of things go right, we might have a chance at getting back into the playoffs in a weak conference.

          We're a long way away. I think by the end of the year we'll be as good as some of the playoff teams. We're not even close, now.

          As for the criticism of TT from the national media being correct but the TT "bashers" on here being wrong, I think you're all unjustified in your shinanigans.

          If we had Green and Grant back and went into the season with only the whole at TE, I still don't think we would be anywhere near a superbowl. Maybe I would consider us a lock to go 9-7 instead of likely to go 9-7.

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          • #6
            Good thing you changed that last sentence P.
            Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!

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            • #7
              yeah, if he was willing to sign Pickett and Woodson last year to upgrade the defense, wasn't there the offensive equivalent of both (in terms of contract deals) that could have been had by the Packers this past offseason?

              I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know who would have fit our system, but I'm guessing that since Denver runs the ZBS and traded for Henry, that we might have had a shot if we had gone after him.

              It's curious to me why he didn't go out and sign a legit pass-catching TE. Randy McMichael seems like he would have been great.

              SS, I guess you could make the argument that Manuel needed a second chance this year due to nagging injuries and being a first year starter, so drafting a top SS or getting one in FA, wasn't as high on the list. They did draft a rookie SS in Aaron Rouse and had Bigby who is emerging.

              Receivers I guess you could see where they had hopes for Holliday and Martin, as well as having drafted James Jones that they didn't need to make a big splash in FA. Plus, Koren Robinson might be coming back.

              RB seemed like the biggest need. Why not get someone like Travis Henry and draft a developmental back who can be groomed? I say that even with having Morency. Sometimes you leave too much to chance, and I think that's what TT has done here, unless he's biding his time and hoping to have a shot at Darren McFadden or Steve Slaton, but if we have another mediocre season and draft around the 15 spot again, we have not shot at either back.
              "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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              • #8
                Ok, so if we had given Favre weapons guess what? Our defense would not be as strong as it is. Get over it already.

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                • #9
                  Funny how Packnut has positioned himself to be "right", no matter what. Before, he was crying about how bad we stink. Why isn't Thompson doing anything? Now, he's crying about how we might be pretty good, but Thompson didn't do anything to put us over the top.

                  If we suck, he can say he was right that Thompson is horrible.

                  If we are good but don't win a championship, he can say he was right and Thompson should have done more to put us over the top.

                  Pretty convenient.
                  "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Carolina_Packer

                    It's curious to me why he didn't go out and sign a legit pass-catching TE. Randy McMichael seems like he would have been great.
                    A good TE would be very nice to have, but at least for now, it looks like Bubba has stopped eating buttered popcorn and washing his hands with baby oil on the sidelines.

                    RB I just dont know. I really dont like Travis Henry. Buffalo gave up on him easy after 2 good seasons.

                    Tennessee has Chris Brown, Lyndale White and Chris Perry(?) at RB and they let him go mighty easy. I wouldnt be any more happy with that backfield than I am with Jax, Morency, Herron and a tunafish sandwich (i.e. whoever fills in for injuries). Somethings not right about that guy.

                    Dammit when are the games going to start so we can bitch about actual production rather than potential?
                    Originally posted by 3irty1
                    This is museum quality stupidity.

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                    • #11
                      I just want to say this:

                      What if they did match Green's salary? Add on 7-8 million to our salary cap. What if they signed another legit free agent? Packnut wanted Deon Grant, so add on another 5 million. That's 13 milion right there added to the Packers payroll annually.

                      They are 13 million under the cap right now.

                      What happens if they want to extend Corey Williams or upgrade a player's contract that earns it? They have no flexibility then. They could potentially have Aaron Kampman and if he keeps playing how he has been Cullen Jenkins holding out because they're underpaid.

                      What does TT do then? Let them walk?!?!

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                      • #12
                        Isn't making the defense a potential top 10 unit, the drafting of Jones and Jennings along with the young lineman on offense surrounding Brett with talent??? This IS A TEAM GAME,CORRECT??????
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                        • #13
                          Re: Interesting Comments From Mort

                          Originally posted by Packnut

                          I remember all through the FA period, the mantra of the Thompson brigade here was we're to far away from competing for a SB to waste money on a free agent cause it won't make a difference. Now you guys know who you are, so I don't think I have to go back and single anyone out.

                          Plain and simple, you guys were as wrong as wrong can be. This Packer team was not as far away as some of you wanna claim and your hero is at fault for sitting on his hands. Some of us tried to make the case that Thompson should not waste Favre's last playing days and we were met with the same stupid reply that Teddy is building for the future. Well, this may come as a shock, but the future could have been now.
                          1. You are most welcome to single me out - I am one of 'those guys'.
                          And I certainly haven't changed my opinion : the Packers are definitely on the upswing, but not at a Super Bowl level yet.
                          2. I much prefer building a solid contender for the long haul - and not take a one year paper tiger approach for the benefit of ANY single player.
                          3. Ok?
                          Who Knows? The Shadow knows!

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                          • #14
                            Plus we could have gotten Joey Harrington.

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                            • #15
                              I'm not a TT defender although I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until towards the end of this 3rd season depending on if the ship is floating or sinking.

                              As for the clamor about not giving Favre enough weapons, pretty lame if do a little research. Can't suggest he hasn't done so via the draft, which leaves the gripe being the lack of FA's signed but who short of maybe Moss this year was worth the risk and cost? Resigning Green would have been great but not at that price tag. Henry? Never have been sold on him and both the Bills and Titans haven't been all that sad to see him go. Darryl Jackson (knee concerns), McGahee (desire?), Jamal Lewis (much left in the tank), etc. and the list goes on.

                              Last year I don't recall that much so maybe we missed on some FA's. If so I'd like to see what offensive FA's signed lead to significant improvement in their teams. Stallworth maybe but again the price, age, injury doesn't wet my appetite for him. This year, aside from Moss at WR (where it looks if Driver is healthy we should be fine with Jennings, Jones, Martin and Holiday), I was hoping for Eric Johnson at TE. I can't debate that this isn't a position of concern but we don't know that if behind closed doors McCarthy stated he liked Lee/Franks/Humphrey/Alcorn just fine. If McCarthy lobbied for an upgrade and TT didn't pull the trigger in FA or take a TE higher then the eggs on him. Status - unknown as it's still the preseason and we may be okay if Bubba returns to form and Lee or Alcorn become steady. Granted big ifs but still unknown. Check back week 4 or so.

                              Going back to the help on offense, how do you classify the three drafts under TT as not trying to improve the offense??

                              2005

                              1st - QB (Rodgers) - point taken this doesn't help Favre
                              2nd - WR (Murphy)
                              5th - C (Coston)
                              6th - WR (Bragg)
                              7th - OG (Whitticker)

                              2006

                              2nd - OG (Colledge)
                              2nd - WR (Jennings)
                              3rd - OG (Spitz)
                              4th - WR (Cory Rodgers)
                              5th - QB (Martin)
                              5th - OT (Moll)

                              2007

                              2nd - RB (Jackson)
                              3rd - WR (Jones)
                              4th - OT (Barbe)
                              5th - WR (Clowney)
                              7th - RB (Wynn)
                              7th - TE (Harris)

                              Seems like a reasonable investment in the offense. I'm not trying to defend TT from having made mistakes as he's obviously done his fair share by not addressing the guard position in 2005 and possibly TE play this year but I don't think he's the failure some point him to be.

                              Negative is fine as long as it's based in facts and invites thought and debate. Bashing is best left for the JSO. I'd guess the reason the blind kool-aid drinking posters don't get quite the same level of flak is that as Packer fans we all want the team to succeed and it's a lot easier to digest and get less uptight when somebody is incredibly optimistic versus constantly finding things to harp on.
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