Would Sherman have drafted Hawk at #5?

[MJZiggy]

Except that he didn't want to sign here...

Then he didnt want to play for Thompson. Then thompson is like a college coach who fails to recruit a top prospect. There are environmental factors, but if you are really a good GM, you should be able to lure certain players with exceptional talent to your team. You cant get everyone but you should be able to get least get 3 with $35Mil.

I'm goin to take a nap. Been up all nite.

Or he didn't want to play for Sherman and his happy band of disgruntled coordinators and coaches...He plays for Sherman, not Thompson.

[RashanGary]

Thompson could have resigned Wahle......He was asked one time if he lost Wahle as a cap casualty and Thompson said and I'm paraphrasing here "We try not the cap influence our decisions too much. There are things that can be done"

Something like that anyway...I remember going away thinking that Thompson let Wahle go because he diddn't feel like that was a fair salary for an OG....To date I think that is Thompsons only real mistake. Being a GM is all about making mistakes and good decisions. Thompsons good way out number the bad, esspecially after this draft and his philosophy on building a team is awsome so I don't beat him up too much for losing Wahle but I do think he could have kept him...

I've said before though that if we had kept Wahle we wouldn't have A.J. Hawk for the next 10 years. It turned out for the best, esspecially if Colledge plays like I think he will and Favre sticks it out for antoher year.

[mraynrand]

The point about Diggs is that he was happy when GB signed him to the max he could get.

The point about the future, 007, is whether TT will budge on his philosophy apparently) of setting a value for a player and sticking with it no matter what. so far, he seems to be completely consistent on this. The question is - under what circumstance might TT violate his own philosophy?

[Homer Jay]

So, Tank, whose fault was the fiasco with MIke Mac? As I recall sherman was still inn charge tten.

[motife]

Sherman would have traded up into the 2nd pick, drafted a punter, but not play him this year while keeping him on the roster. Another punter would do the punting.

[esoxx]

"Diggs didn't 'want' to dign with GB either - until the money was right."

Actually, Diggs didn't want to re-sign here. Since he was designated a transition player, the Packers had the right to match what Detroit offered. They chose to match that, despite pleas from Diggs that they not.

[Scott Campbell]

Except that he didn't want to sign here...

Then he didnt want to play for Thompson. Then thompson is like a college coach who fails to recruit a top prospect. There are environmental factors, but if you are really a good GM, you should be able to lure certain players with exceptional talent to your team. You cant get everyone but you should be able to get least get 3 with $35Mil.

I'm goin to take a nap. Been up all nite.

Wahle had been dropping hints for years that he didn't want to be here, and that he didn't think that he was appreciated by the previous Sherman regime. All of this went on long before Thompson entered the picture - including the baloon payment contract clause that ultimately forced his release. Do you think Wahle might have negotiated that in to force the Packers to release him on purpose?

[esoxx]

As for the thread question "Would Sherman have drafted Hawk at #5?"....only if his name was Gaylord Hawk - a left legged pooch punter who somehow had won the Ray Guy Award his senior season.

[mraynrand]

""Diggs didn't 'want' to dign with GB either - until the money was right."

Actually, Diggs didn't want to re-sign here. Since he was designated a transition player, the Packers had the right to match what Detroit offered. They chose to match that, despite pleas from Diggs that they not."


*sigh*

Don't you get it? He was unhappy because the Packers weren't going to give him what he thought he was worth. He tested the waters, got the beat offer available and the Packers then signed him. After that, he didn't complain one bit. It was about the money (and the contract is important to NFL players for props as much as it is for the coin itself).

So I argue that Wahle would have been the same. Show him the money, put his mug on a gameday mag and he would have been happy as a clam.

[mraynrand]

BTW, regarding the original question - if Shermy thought that they could still win it all with Favre as QB, he would have drafted Hawk - this fits with Shermy's philosophy of getting guys who can start right away, because Sherman seemed to care more about winning now than building for the future.

If he had given up on Favre (unlikely), then he might have traded up to get the next franchise guy - Bush or Young (assuming Shermy wouldn't have drafted A rod in 2005).

[esoxx]

mraynrand, I'm a little slow. You'll have to bear with me.

[Homer Jay]

Remember, Sherman was able to resign Diggs and KGB to new contracts with aprox $3M at the start of the FA period, KGB got a 13 M SB.

Which one of those pro bowl, future hall of fame players would you say was the best signing Tank? I'm not sure giving those two players way too much money is your best example of Sherman's genius.

[GoPackGo]

Re: Would Sherman have drafted Hawk at #5?

I was thinking about this. Remember Sherman never had a higher picker then #20, walker I believe. Would he have picked Hawk this past weekend?
I have to say no, he would have went with someone else. Who though?

He just went with Mario Wlliams duh

[Tarlam!]

The hypothetical is valid: I say, no, he would have traded up. He would have gone for either Mario or Bush. I don't know if he would have taken Davis; his play book didn't really require a threat TE, except in the Red Zone.

Drfting Davis would not have helped his system.

But, this scenario asks us to ignore last season, which would have turned out differently.

As Tank insists, we would have kept our guards. We would NOT have drafted A-Rod.

We may have won 3 games more with the guards, because the injuries killed us the most, not the loss of our o-line.

Not having A-Ro, Brett prolly in his last year, we would have drafted the big 3 QB that fell to us at our 7-9 spot. Sherm may have traded up to get him, like Shanahan did.

[retailguy]

he would have drafted Hawk. Sherman, year in and year out, drafted based on need, and LB was our greatest need position.

I agree. Sherman would have stayed put and taken Hawk.

He'd have traded up later in the draft. Without a doubt. We'd have ultimately drafted 5 players... instead of 12.