The Youth Movement

[Rastak]

Not that are verifiable on the web. I can tell you that I've personally experienced it a dozen times or so in my professional life, both directly (where people I've promoted found out the requirements of the job made them too stressed, and indirectly where people that reported to me have hired people who found out that they preferred a position of lower responsibility - for a number of personal reasons...

Oh, I completely and 100% agree. I know a few myself...but they never serve as a figurehead. They move to a different position. I'm just not sure a DC would accept a demotion if he thought he was doing the job properly and didn't have the issues you mentioned.

[vince]

I gotta go Ras. I will close by admitting wholeheartedly that I don't know for sure that Moss is "leading" the defense. I do think it's clear that he has an expanded role though. Have a good one.

[Rastak]

I gotta go Ras. I will close by admitting wholeheartedly that I don't know for sure that Moss is "leading" the defense. I do think it's clear that he has an expanded role though. Have a good one.

You too. I do see your larger point, and I agree. Just not sure on the NFL translation.

[Scott Campbell]

Not that are verifiable on the web. I can tell you that I've personally experienced it a dozen times or so in my professional life, both directly (where people I've promoted found out the requirements of the job made them too stressed, and indirectly where people that reported to me have hired people who found out that they preferred a position of lower responsibility - for a number of personal reasons...

Also can be referred to as getting your wings clipped. It happens.

[Rastak]

Not that are verifiable on the web. I can tell you that I've personally experienced it a dozen times or so in my professional life, both directly (where people I've promoted found out the requirements of the job made them too stressed, and indirectly where people that reported to me have hired people who found out that they preferred a position of lower responsibility - for a number of personal reasons...

Also can be referred to as getting your wings clipped. It happens.

So when the defense meets in the defense meeting room does Sanders speak and look over to Moss to see what he is supposed to say or does Moss speak and Sanders sits in the back under this scenario?


Again, unless this arrangement is pre-done I'm not sure how it work without the title...someone explain how that would work.

[MJZiggy]

3-3, wow, we hit that, I'd have to consider some cartwheels.

Can I get it on film???? :P

I guess that depends on what I'd get if they go 2-4 or below?

I'll send you a couple Valium...

doesn't exactly sound like a fair swap.

Well I don't want to offer anything too good or you'll be rooting for them to lose....

[Fritz]

I think everybody's missing the real point: Isn't Winston Moss the main character of George Orwell's 1984? And doesn't that worry anyone?

Seriously, this was one of the more interesting debates on this site in a while. Two thoughtful people actually making interesting points, complete with examples, in a civil way.

Refreshing.

[retailguy]

I think everybody's missing the real point: Isn't Winston Moss the main character of George Orwell's 1984? And doesn't that worry anyone?

Seriously, this was one of the more interesting debates on this site in a while. Two thoughtful people actually making interesting points, complete with examples, in a civil way.

Refreshing.

Thx. Ziggy and I tried hard. :P

[MJZiggy]

[Fritz]

I meant Justin Harrell and Harlan.

[retailguy]

I meant Justin Harrell and Harlan.

They didn't try as hard as we did.

[vince]

Not that are verifiable on the web. I can tell you that I've personally experienced it a dozen times or so in my professional life, both directly (where people I've promoted found out the requirements of the job made them too stressed, and indirectly where people that reported to me have hired people who found out that they preferred a position of lower responsibility - for a number of personal reasons...

Also can be referred to as getting your wings clipped. It happens.

So when the defense meets in the defense meeting room does Sanders speak and look over to Moss to see what he is supposed to say or does Moss speak and Sanders sits in the back under this scenario?


Again, unless this arrangement is pre-done I'm not sure how it work without the title...someone explain how that would work.

Here's how it could work. There could be a "partnership" at the top of the defense. Prior to player meetings, the coaches - with Moss and Sanders at the top of the heirarchy (both reporting to McCarthy and taking input from the position coaches) review film/analyze the team/develop a game plan. Where there are disagreements in analysis/strategy, McCarthy "breaks the tie." This is perhaps where the increased agressiveness has come from (Moss's and to a lesser extent McCarthy's increased role in defensive strategy development).

Everyone is then on the same page with regard to player communications. In this scenario, Sanders could very well even lead film study and strategy breakdown during player meetings, with the occasional interjection from Moss and the position coaches.

Moss is described as a great leader, and one thing great leaders do (among many things) is empower others, so I would not doubt that he cedes "control" in the player meeting discussions to Sanders, but Sanders is instituting a plan that Moss was instrumental in developing - much more instrumental than last year.

In this scenario, Sanders in effect, cedes authority to Moss, as Moss possesses more political weight with McCarthy, who ultimately approves or rejects the decisions in which he chooses to involve himself or those he is pulled into (when Moss doesn't think things are going the way he wants).

[RashanGary]

Not to jump in mid conversation here, but I have a different angle at this that might relate.

I'll use a Sherman/McCarthy example. Sherman and McCarthy both ran the offense. Sherman was hands off with the QB's and WR's and he was the guy with the Oline and running backs. McCArthy is the guy with the QB and the passing game and he gives the running game to Jags and now Philbin. You find a guy who does what you don't do well and you hand it over. It's a good way to do things IMO (that's assuming you don't hire and stick with Tom Rosley)

Sanders probably runs the Dline and he realized that Moss is skilled at handling other areas so he wisely hands over large amounts of responsiblity that he knows Moss is better at to Moss. There is nothing wrong with that IMO, it's giving up authority for the good of the team and it's good leadership in my opinion. I think people respect a guy who is willing to let his staff do their job and make decisions.

[vince]

Not to jump in mid conversation here, but I have a different angle at this that might relate.

I'll use a Sherman/McCarthy example. Sherman and McCarthy both ran the offense. Sherman was hands off with the QB's and WR's and he was the guy with the Oline and running backs. McCArthy is the guy with the QB and the passing game and he gives the running game to Jags and now Philbin. You find a guy who does what you don't do well and you hand it over. It's a good way to do things IMO (that's assuming you don't hire and stick with Tom Rosley)

Sanders probably runs the Dline and he realized that Moss is skilled at handling other areas so he wisely hands over large amounts of responsiblity that he knows Moss is better at to Moss. There is nothing wrong with that IMO, it's giving up authority for the good of the team and it's good leadership in my opinion. I think people respect a guy who is willing to let his staff do their job and make decisions.

Right on, and in the end, there's a lot of trust and communication between them.

But you're also right (IMO) in your assertion that the defense has taken on a new aggressive character that it didn't possess most of last year.... Regardless of who that is attribuable to in terms of leadership, it's definitely a good sign heading into the year.

Now it better continue, since the games start counting...!

[Rastak]

Gotta crash shortly but working together should be assumed. I would guess they all contribute. BUT on game day the DC makes the defensive calls. I really don't understand how a positon coach can outrank the DC. Actually I should say I'm a bit wrong. There are instances when a OC/DC does not make the calls but I don't think the person would stay that long in the job
and it's usally a transition thing.....


That's my take....