On Favre and his not retiring

[woodbuck27]

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Comment woodbuck27:

I believe that NFL players, experts and media and NFL fans are looking at Green Bay, shaking their collective heads and wondering what in the name of Sam Cade is going on.

I will wonder what might it have been if Brett Favre got more support. The sad truth will be that Favre won't be able to go on playing as we witnessed in the second half Vs the Giants unless the Packer players somehow really respect and rally around his leadership and skills.

I still see a solid QB in Brett Favre but sadly I believe that those in real power see about $12 million dollars of CAP money.

Too bad they don't realize that he has earned that salary and he gives all he can under very difficult circumstances to serve the Packer team and its fans with his experience and talents.

The one thing that those who let him down didn't count on was that he wants to win and he loves the game still and is loyal to Green Bay fans. I hope the Packer fans are right back with that. That we will not tolerate anymore clipping on this Packer leader.

Winners, losers and other thoughts: Week 2

By James C. Black, Yahoo! Sports

September 16, 2007

I hate jumping to quick conclusions two weeks into the NFL season, but have we been just a tad bit premature in trying to force retirement on Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre?

I know, the season still is young; the offense did next to nothing in Week 1 against the Philadelphia Eagles; and the New York Giants as a whole might be even more bruised and beaten up than Eli Manning's shoulder.

Still, Green Bay is reminding us that parity is as prominent in the league as commissioner Roger Goodell's tendency to hand out punishments. And on any given Sunday, Favre easily looks like one of the 10 best quarterbacks in the league.

Favre, who hadn't thrown three touchdown passes in a game since Week 3 of last season, tossed three scoring passes in the win over New York to pull within four of breaking Dan Marino's career record (420).

But it's not just records – he surpassed John Elway for most wins by a quarterback by getting his 149th on Sunday – or the 2-0 start that's making me believe the Packers are better off that he opted to return for his 17th season.

The Packers have the longest winning streak (six) in the NFC going back to last season. And whether it’s a veteran such as Donald Driver (73 yards, one touchdown against the Giants) or a rookie like Mason Crosby (three field goals against the Eagles), folks other than No. 4 are making an impact.

But again, the season is incredibly early and the Packers will be tested over the next five contests – including home games against the San Diego Chargers and Chicago Bears, and a road trip to face the Denver Broncos.

At this stage, I'll probably hold off on planning for Favre's retirement until he actually makes the announcement.

GO PACK GO !!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: On Favre and his not retiring

I still see a solid QB in Brett Favre but sadly I believe that those in real power see about $12 million dollars of CAP money.

Yep. The cap space has nothing to do with maintaining a healthy cap for future years--instead the owners of the Packers (and maybe Thompson himself) are trying to figure out a way to divy up that $12M in cap space as we speak.

[MJZiggy]

Nice article, but Buck, I have no idea what you're talking about. The team has won 6 in a row. Favre is kinda happy about that. He seems to kinda like this team. Maybe you should stop trying to fight a battle for him that he's not even fighting.

[The Leaper]

Favre isn't a drain on the cap, and he's not about to retire any time soon. Bank it.

Favre's 149 wins really were put into comparison for me last night when they showed that McNabb was merely starting (let alone winning) his 100th game last night. If Favre can push that record up over 160 wins (10 wins a year for 16 years!) it may be more unapproachable than his consecutive start streak.

[woodbuck27]

Re: On Favre and his not retiring

I still see a solid QB in Brett Favre but sadly I believe that those in real power see about $12 million dollars of CAP money.

Yep. The cap space has nothing to do with maintaining a healthy cap for future years--instead the owners of the Packers (and maybe Thompson himself) are trying to figure out a way to divy up that $12M in cap space as we speak.

Instead of sarcasm (if that's what I see here Harvey?) why not try some straight up dialogue.

That is the correct way, and only respectful results stem fr. such dialogue.

I'm sometimes guilty of sarcasm myself but when I go there I shed only arrogance on myself.

I believe that Favre again was treated with an obvious lack of support and that can only reflect on one thing.

To discourage him. I see mjziggy has a response up too, and as usual she has the ability to take a positive to shunt around the issue of my complaint. That is a practised skill that might be useful in a courtroom but we are simple Packer fans here.

Intelligence is beast utilized for the purposes of good and truthful intent; not to establish a practise of one upmanship and superiority brought on by arrogance or implied ignorance.

You do believe that you are smarter than most here right Harvey?

Then if that is the case how can you just sit back and wait and wait some more and not see the suffering we feel at what is obvious to us.

That being that the management is doing all it can in it's power to incapacitate Brett Favre. If the house once came complete with a wonderful chimney of selected stones just about all that remains is that wonderful chimney.

You are the NFL FOOTBALL GENIOUS HARVEY AND WILL SOMEHOW MANAGE TO GIVE A THUMBS UP OR DOWN TO ANY SUGGESTED TRANSACTION THAT MAY GIVE OUR TEAM MORE.

Most times it's a thumbs down. I have seen that over nearly two years now. Sometimes it seem that you post for our GM. That you exhibit the same ultra Conservative and money pinching approach thatb is all Ted thompson.

I'm a Conservative as well but I'm a Progressive Conservative. I have the mind of a conservative but the heart of a liberal.I know how to maintain anything I must own with pride. If you tear it down then you have to build it back so that at least the structure is functional in terms of some time frame.

The time to replace the parts was before TC this year to set for the 2007 schedule.Everyone here were well aware of our need to compete in 2007. We all knew that we had needs at RB,and FB and maybe at TE. Our GM completely ignored these positions.

mjziggy is reading this and exclaiming what in hell is his point.We are 2-0 and looking good so far. My response to that is nuts !!!!

How bad are Philly and the Giants? We did little to get better and virtually nothing to help Favre and we have seen one solid half of football fr. our offense in two games Vs teams that may be even weaker than us.

That is all we have. We will see what we really are as a team over the next thre games and soon after the bye week.

Winning two games has got nothing to do with management ignoring our needs on offense. I believe there is one agenda in place because that was ignored and that is to discourage Favre and that is stupid because he won't go away.

If you take that as a given then TT should have served our needs not completely ignored them and used rhetoric to wash his inactivity aside.

[Zool]

Your anti-TT venom is too much sometimes Woodroe, and I think thats turns a lot of people off to your discussion threads. No one would specifically sabotage their team to eliminate a player, but you keep up on that angle.

[woodbuck27]

Nice article, but Buck, I have no idea what you're talking about. The team has won 6 in a row. Favre is kinda happy about that. He seems to kinda like this team. Maybe you should stop trying to fight a battle for him that he's not even fighting.

Favre isn't fighting today but wait to reality sets in.

Life seems so rosy in Packer land and of course we all hope that continues; but the car that's the Packer team, needed proper spare parts installed and the owner of the car can't do more than scratch his ass (excuse the expression as I know your very much 'the Lady' mj and embarass easily, but if your going to swing with the boys to men then that comes with the yard.) Compasa??

He has chosen to take a long trip and only get something done if the car breaks down enroute. That (he) is of course Ted Thompson in my analogy.

[BallHawk]

I enjoy you as a poster, Woody, but a lot of your stuff lately has really gone over the top. I understand you aren't a TT fan, but it's getting to the point where its repetitive. It's almost as if before I read the post I know what it is going to say. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're kinda bashing everyone over the head with it.

We're 2-0 Buck, relax and enjoy it.

[Deputy Nutz]

Re: On Favre and his not retiring

The time to replace the parts was before TC this year to set for the 2007 schedule.Everyone here were well aware of our need to compete in 2007. We all knew that we had needs at RB,and FB and maybe at TE. Our GM completely ignored these positions.

mjziggy is reading this and exclaiming what in hell is his point.We are 2-0 and looking good so far. My response to that is nuts !!!!

How bad are Philly and the Giants? We did little to get better and virtually nothing to help Favre and we have seen one solid half of football fr. our offense in two games Vs teams that may be even weaker than us.

That is all we have. We will see what we really are as a team over the next thre games and soon after the bye week.

Winning two games has got nothing to do with management ignoring our needs on offense. I believe there is one agenda in place because that was ignored and that is to discourage Favre and that is stupid because he won't go away.

You know what this tells me Woodbuck? The Packers have gotten better than two playoff teams from last year. Now I don't know if that is because of Thompson or what, but some teams go up and other go down. The Packers are at least climbing the ladder past New York and Philly. Write that Down.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Lighten up, Francis! We're 2-0, so enjoy it. We aren't going to go 19-0, so there will be ample time for you to continue your Thompson bashing.

[woodbuck27]

Your anti-TT venom is too much sometimes Woodroe, and I think thats turns a lot of people off to your discussion threads. No one would specifically sabotage their team to eliminate a player, but you keep up on that angle.

Because I believe I'm correct.

There is far too much evidence to support my observation now and I don't give a DAM who I turn off as I exercise my freedoms with proper manners and comportment.

I have never felt the need to suck up to any clique of people that stress the need to be just this or that way. I exercise my ability to use the gifts I'm blessed with to serve TRUTH.

Nothing else ever works my fellow Packer fans.

I use my intelligence and ability to observe, analyze and serve the TRUTH from a standpoint of pure consciounce. I dare say that few in this Packer home are any more fair and open as I am.

I represent the other point of view and if I'm a member of the minority in that respect that doesn't annoy or otherwise bother me. I really believe my stance is supported and honest. I also believe that more here will stand beside me or me stand beside them as the shame that is on us comes closer to be revealed.

Thyere are few here that would have exercised the duty of GM as he didn't this off season; it's too obvious why he ignored our needs.

He wants Favre to RETIRE ASAP.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Because I believe I'm correct.

Which is why you are unable to enjoy a 2-0 start to the season. We haven't been 2-0 in a season since 2001. SIX YEARS!

[Badgepack]

I myself would rather see this home grown football team suceed rather than a store bought team. A prime example is how cool is it that the Brewers are a contending team as are the New York Yankees. Sure, I'd take a Superbowl title with big name free agents, but we don't have them and this bunch of no-names are doing pretty well so far, and I think that's just great.

Also it's the Green Bay Packers, not the Brett Favre Packers, and keep in mind that I am the biggest Favre fan that there is.

[Lurker64]

Because I believe I'm correct.

There's a significant difference between "I believe I am correct" and "I cannot possibly imagine a universe in which I am wrong." We all believe we're right, but you seem to exhibit a lot more of the latter than most folks around here.

[woodbuck27]

Re: On Favre and his not retiring

The time to replace the parts was before TC this year to set for the 2007 schedule.Everyone here were well aware of our need to compete in 2007. We all knew that we had needs at RB,and FB and maybe at TE. Our GM completely ignored these positions.

mjziggy is reading this and exclaiming what in hell is his point.We are 2-0 and looking good so far. My response to that is nuts !!!!

How bad are Philly and the Giants? We did little to get better and virtually nothing to help Favre and we have seen one solid half of football fr. our offense in two games Vs teams that may be even weaker than us.

That is all we have. We will see what we really are as a team over the next thre games and soon after the bye week.

Winning two games has got nothing to do with management ignoring our needs on offense. I believe there is one agenda in place because that was ignored and that is to discourage Favre and that is stupid because he won't go away.

You know what this tells me Woodbuck? The Packers have gotten better than two playoff teams from last year. Now I don't know if that is because of Thompson or what, but some teams go up and other go down. The Packers are at least climbing the ladder past New York and Philly. Write that Down.

Hi Nutz:

I'm puzzled over what is going on in Philly not so with the Giants.

The Giants lost a ral contributor at RB in Tikki Barber and the issues with Coach T. Coughlan seem to be continuing there as he struggles to get the team out of the muck.

I picked the Packers to lose the opener and defeat the Giants (before the schedule began) but the way the 'O' didn't perform in the surprize win over the Eagles I really wasn't sure we could even defeat the Giants. Ten first downs Vs Eagles is worse than really bad. Five sacks on Favre said NO OL.

I loved those wins but I'm nort convinced that we are for real yet and I ask myself how could we be when TT did DICK ALL to help us this off season on offense.

If he had any sense of the offense and after losing Ahman Green he had to get out of his chair and ensure that such talent was replaced.Any move even if it failed reflect better on TT than doing nothing.

He sat on his ass. Plain and simple. That is all too obvious for even the staunchest Ted Thompson supporters to deny and not embarass themselves.

I won't allow myself to be deluded by a 2-0 start as nice as that is. As good a start that gives us to possibly jell and gain a playoff spot. Gaud we only played two good quarters out of eight in those two games as far as our offense is concerned.

Because. . .I get right there, and whammo it gets back to:

Nothing added to. . . well that part (that lost that part) and that part wasn't replaced so. . . it all should fall down.

He sat on his ass. Plain and simple.