On Favre and his not retiring

[Brohm]

Look! Black helicopters overhead! :P

[PackerBlues]

I finally understood that he doesn't enjoy Ted Thompson 2 hours ago.

The beans in the ass and the piss in the shorts didn't make it clear to you?? (just remember, he said it, not me.)

Shit.......Now I am confused!!! Beans? Pissy shorts? Is this like the car on a long road trip analogy?

[The Shadow]

"........and not see the suffering we feel at what is obvious to us. "


2-0?
We feel your pain.

[MasonCrosby]

i really don't think thompson is trying to push out favre. my own personal view of thompson's plan aside, i think he is trying to set up a good young team so that when the inevitable happens, we don't completely tank and whoever the qb might be will have a good team with them.

[Lurker64]

i really don't think thompson is trying to push out favre. my own personal view of thompson's plan aside, i think he is trying to set up a good young team so that when the inevitable happens, we don't go completely tank and whoever the qb might be will have a good team with them.

I am glad that someone other than me sees the TRUTH

(Maybe if I put it in large, bold, underlined caps and refuse to justify my assertions, people will agree and understand.)

[MJZiggy]

I finally understood that he doesn't enjoy Ted Thompson 2 hours ago.

The beans in the ass and the piss in the shorts didn't make it clear to you?? (just remember, he said it, not me.)

Shit.......Now I am confused!!! Beans? Pissy shorts? Is this like the car on a long road trip analogy?

I was just referring back to a couple of Bucks more colorful phrases from this week...I'm sure you'll run into them soon enough.

[Scott Campbell]

I see. So in summary, Woody hates Ted?

[superfan]

Re: On Favre and his not retiring

I believe that NFL players, experts and media and NFL fans are looking at Green Bay, shaking their collective heads and wondering what in the name of Sam Cade is going on.

I totally agree with this statement, although not in the manner in which I think you intended. The resurgence of this team is exceeding a lot of expectations and catching those who know little about the team other than the results of the last two years by surprise. We are beginning to see quite a few "I think the Packers may be for real" types of comments from the national media.

I will wonder what might it have been if Brett Favre got more support.

Same here. Just think if Favre had a Harrison/Wayne combo to throw to all these years. Or Lofton/Jefferson or Sharpe/Brooks. These records would have been history long ago.

The sad truth will be that Favre won't be able to go on playing as we witnessed in the second half Vs the Giants unless the Packer players somehow really respect and rally around his leadership and skills.

Are you under the impression that he isn't respected? From everything I've seen and read, Favre is one of the most respected players in football, both from his own teammates and the rest of the league. He is probably one of the most respected players of all time.

I still see a solid QB in Brett Favre but sadly I believe that those in real power see about $12 million dollars of CAP money.

I'm sure those in power see both a solid QB in Favre and $12 mil in cap money invested in him. That's their job, to evaluate both performance on the field, and manage salaries.

Too bad they don't realize that he has earned that salary and he gives all he can under very difficult circumstances to serve the Packer team and its fans with his experience and talents.

He is the unquestioned face of the franchise, and perhaps the greatest player ever for one of the most successful, storied franchises in the history of the game, with some of the greatest players in the history of the game. He will probably have his own wing in the Packer Hall of Fame after he retires (some exaggeration here), will hold many all time records, and is a shoo in first ballot NFL Hall of Famer.

Packer fans know this, national media knows this, casual football fans and even those that barely follow football know this. How is it conceivable that "they", meaning those in power, don't realize this? What evidence is there that they don't?

The one thing that those who let him down didn't count on was that he wants to win and he loves the game still and is loyal to Green Bay fans.

So those who let him down (not even sure who that is) were banking on assumptions that he doesn't want to win, doesn't still love the game, and isn't loyal to Green Bay fans? This concept is so absurd I don't even know what to say. That goes against everything Favre has been since he became a Packer.

I respect everyone's right to their own opinion. If you want to voice your opinion that Thompson and others are ruining the team and pushing Favre to retirement, that's fine. I'll even agree that there have been some questionable moves made, particularly the lack of any tangible additions to the team this last offseason. But I just don't see the basis for some of this "evidence", and I have issue with opinions that are stated as fact.

[PackerBlues]

Re: On Favre and his not retiring

I believe that NFL players, experts and media and NFL fans are looking at Green Bay, shaking their collective heads and wondering what in the name of Sam Cade is going on.

I totally agree with this statement, although not in the manner in which I think you intended. The resurgence of this team is exceeding a lot of expectations and catching those who know little about the team other than the results of the last two years by surprise. We are beginning to see quite a few "I think the Packers may be for real" types of comments from the national media.

I think that you both may be right here. While the media's reaction to this team and Brett Favre remind me of the 1996-1997 season, none of them are sure yet if this team has turned the corner. So while some in the media still use Favre bashing in a manner to get their "15 minutes of fame", others in the "more respected" ( )media are more cautious in how they talk about this Packers team, because they just do not know yet. To them, it is obvious that our Defense is pretty damned good (barring injuries to key players), that our special teams has played exceptionally well, and that Favre is still one of the best QB's playing the game. However, the questions we have on Offense still has everyone wondering, and nobody wants to go out on a limb just yet and claim that the Packers have in fact turned the corner, or if the teams that they have beaten so far could be beaten by nearly any other team in the NFL. It is just too early to tell.

I will wonder what might have been if Brett Favre got more support.

Same here. Just think if Favre had a Harrison/Wayne combo to throw to all these years. Or Lofton/Jefferson or Sharpe/Brooks. These records would have been history long ago.

Agreed, but I will go a step further in agreeing with WoodBuck. Moss should be wearing a Packer uniform. Teamed with Driver, Jennings, and perhaps Jones, our Offense would have been unstoppable even with the questions at RB. In the same way that I make that bold prediction, others can also claim that Moss would not have worked out in GB for whatever reason. It really does not matter this year because we do not have Moss, or any other veteran receiver on our team other than Driver. This is something that I do in fact fault Thompson for, but we have to have faith in him, just as much as we do in Favre and M3. These are the cards we have been dealt this season, and this is the team we are cheering for. Next offseason, I will be one of the loudest voices screaming for a veteran playmaker to be added to the Offense........ again.

The sad truth will be that Favre won't be able to go on playing as we witnessed in the second half Vs the Giants unless the Packer players somehow really respect and rally around his leadership and skills.

Are you under the impression that he isn't respected? From everything I've seen and read, Favre is one of the most respected players in football, both from his own teammates and the rest of the league. He is probably one of the most respected players of all time.

I do not want to read into anything here, but I think what Woody may be alluding to here is that the young guys on Offense are going to have to give a "Kampman-like" effort all season long to keep up with Favre in order for this Offense to produce against the top teams in the league. At this point, the Packers are 2-0, but with the parity in this league, and looking at teams like NE, I do not think anyone who states that the Packers are playoff bound, will be taken seriously until they beat one of the better teams in the league........such as SanDiego maybe, lol. This weeks game will be the deciding factor for many in the media, and we will start to hear bolder opinions about the Packers after this week, that I can promise you!!!

I still see a solid QB in Brett Favre but sadly I believe that those in real power see about $12 million dollars of CAP money.

I'm sure those in power see both a solid QB in Favre and $12 mil in cap money invested in him. That's their job, to evaluate both performance on the field, and manage salaries.

I can see where Woody is coming from, but I agree with Superfan here. Thompson is not star struck by Favre, and as such, he only sees Brett Favre as just another player on the team. No more important than any other player on the team. While many (myself included) think that Thompson should have done more to try to send Favre off with a bang, Thompsons first loyalty is to the team as a whole. If Favre is to benefit from what Thompson is doing with this team, he is going to have to stick around for another year or more. Again, next offseason, I will be one of the loudest voices screaming for more help on Offense. My hope is that Moss becomes an unrestricted free agent, and Thompson shells out the cake to get him signed for two to three years..........as long as Favre sticks around to benefit from such a signing. Otherwise, Rogers can make due with what he has on Offense with the help of a more improved Defense. (for all I care)

Too bad they don't realize that he has earned that salary and he gives all he can under very difficult circumstances to serve the Packer team and its fans with his experience and talents.

He is the unquestioned face of the franchise, and perhaps the greatest player ever for one of the most successful, storied franchises in the history of the game, with some of the greatest players in the history of the game. He will probably have his own wing in the Packer Hall of Fame after he retires (some exaggeration here), will hold many all time records, and is a shoo in first ballot NFL Hall of Famer.

Packer fans know this, national media knows this, casual football fans and even those that barely follow football know this. How is it conceivable that "they", meaning those in power, don't realize this? What evidence is there that they don't?

Again, I can see where Woody is coming from here, but simply put, again, Thompsons first loyalty is to the team. He knows how much Favre means to GB, and the state of Wisconsin, and the NFL, but that is not going to change the way that he tries to better this Packer team. The only way that Favre is going to benefit from Thompsons work, is by taking this team all the way this year (not likely), or, he has to stick around until Thompson manages to get "all the pieces in place". I do not like it, but that is because I am impatient. Just like many others, the salary cap room not being used is a sign to me, that more could have been done.

The one thing that those who let him down didn't count on was that he wants to win and he loves the game still and is loyal to Green Bay fans.

So those who let him down (not even sure who that is) were banking on assumptions that he doesn't want to win, doesn't still love the game, and isn't loyal to Green Bay fans? This concept is so absurd I don't even know what to say. That goes against everything Favre has been since he became a Packer.

I respect everyone's right to their own opinion. If you want to voice your opinion that Thompson and others are ruining the team and pushing Favre to retirement, that's fine. I'll even agree that there have been some questionable moves made, particularly the lack of any tangible additions to the team this last offseason. But I just don't see the basis for some of this "evidence", and I have issue with opinions that are stated as fact.

This is a point that many loyal to Favre, including myself have a tough time with. I would word it a little differently by saying that Thompson and anyone above him helping in the decision making, has/have been looking beyond Favre in the "rebuilding" of this team. Statements from Thompson, claiming that we are not in a rebuilding process, come across as complete and total [BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

To anyone who has been paying any attention at all, this team has been rebuilding. (Sorry, but here is where emotion takes over )

The thing that bothers most people who are loyal to Favre, is the bullshit coming from Thompson's mouth from day one. It has been said that he cannot necessarily come right out and say that he is in fact rebuilding, and why, because it would scare away potential free agents? lol. What fucking potential free agents??? (ask Bretsky about this one, and imagine the veins popping out as he has a coniption, lol) This is not something that you keep a poker face about to keep people from noticing, lol, so for Thompson to claim that we are not rebuilding, is laughable........to those that can find humor in it anyway.

Another famous quote from Thompson: "I want to win now!" (not the exact wording, but none the less.....) If Thompson was building this team to win NOW, Moss would have been signed, and we would not have heard shit like "I went to bed that night thinking that we had a deal in place with Moss". Holy shit man, cut the BullShit!!!

Simply put, there are always going to be people upset by the fact that no veterans were added to our Offense to at least give the appearance that Thompson cared enough to try to make it better. While it may just come off as beating a dead horse to some, I fully understand that point of view, and will always defend anyone taking a stand on that point of view.

[cpk1994]

i really don't think thompson is trying to push out favre. my own personal view of thompson's plan aside, i think he is trying to set up a good young team so that when the inevitable happens, we don't completely tank and whoever the qb might be will have a good team with them.

DING DING DING. We have a winner!

[Zool]

Your anti-TT venom is too much sometimes Woodroe, and I think thats turns a lot of people off to your discussion threads. No one would specifically sabotage their team to eliminate a player, but you keep up on that angle.

Because I believe I'm correct.

There is far too much evidence to support my observation now and I don't give a DAM who I turn off as I exercise my freedoms with proper manners and comportment.

I have never felt the need to suck up to any clique of people that stress the need to be just this or that way. I exercise my ability to use the gifts I'm blessed with to serve TRUTH.

Nothing else ever works my fellow Packer fans.

I use my intelligence and ability to observe, analyze and serve the TRUTH from a standpoint of pure consciounce. I dare say that few in this Packer home are any more fair and open as I am.

I represent the other point of view and if I'm a member of the minority in that respect that doesn't annoy or otherwise bother me. I really believe my stance is supported and honest. I also believe that more here will stand beside me or me stand beside them as the shame that is on us comes closer to be revealed.

Thyere are few here that would have exercised the duty of GM as he didn't this off season; it's too obvious why he ignored our needs.

He wants Favre to RETIRE ASAP.

All of this is well within your rights, but its also well within everyone else's rights to respond in whatever matter they see fit. You specfically called Harvey out for his sarcastic remarks when he was saying what he think is right.

To say TT wants Favre to retire is a plausible argument, but to say he's specifically NOT picking up offensive talent to facilitate this is my only problem with your argument. If he has no O talent now, then he would still have no O talent when Favre retired.

Do you think he thinks Aaron Rodgers is the next Favre or Elway and wont need talent around him to win? The argument makes no sense to me. I realize I can never convince you otherwise, but thats my stance.

There's no way he wants the face of the franchise to retire. Like it or not, the NFL is a money driven league and Favre draws crowds on the road and prime time spots on TV. He sells apparel. If Mr Thompson wanted that gone then he would be gone. If this team starts to lose money and go to the lower half of the league in money standings, it will be because of the product on the field and that will fall down to TT.

[Packnut]

TT

Just remember Woody, a lot of the same guys who claim Teddy can do wrong are the same guys who claimed our O line would be vastly improved, Morency would be a good solid starter and our run game would be fine.

How did that work out for em?

[Packnut]

FA

And as I re-call, a few of them also told us how the Patriot's were wasting money in free agency and blah-blah-blah. You could write a book on how wrong SOME people have been........

[Zool]

It would be on the worst sellers list for weeks and weeks.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: FA

You could write a book on how wrong SOME people have been........

Chapter 1?

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=8163&highlight=packnut

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/vi...ghlight=#72353
I hope those few TT backers out there see the light. This guy is brutal from his coaching choice to player evaluating. There is not 1 damn thing that TT is good at as a GM.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=71952&highlight=#71952

Well after watching parts of all today's games, we can honestly start debating who our #1 pick should be next season… I've watched the other teams who are in the running for the #1 pick. Buffalo, NYJ and even the Niners are way ahead of us talent and coaching wise. …There really is'nt gonna be anything else to discuss Packer wise this season so why not try something positive? Now things can change but IF Green stays healthy and shows he can be our #1 back next season, then we gotta go with Mr Irish. Brady has the potential to be the next Brett Favre. Now if Green can't handle it then we gotta go RB and there will be a bunch to choose from. Ok, let the great debate begin!

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=74942&highlight=#74942

Where will the Pack pick [in the 2007 draft]?
Packnut: Top 3.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=73719&highlight=#73719

It's gonna take some time and it will be very painfull, but after we are embarrassed week in and week out and as the losses pile up, most of the "optimists" will realize that TT has set this team back more than Sherman ever did.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=73480&highlight=#73480

Woodson has to GO. NOW! SEND A MESSAGE
Packnut: Good post and very accurate.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=73309&highlight=#73309

The fact that any of you would defend this guy after yesterday is mind-boggling to say the least. It's one thing to get beat by Heap or Shockey but when you get beat by the worst TE in the game, you have more problems than just technique.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=75773&highlight=#75773

No my arguement is that he is not TALENTED enough to build a winning team and I believe the FACTS to date prove it.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=75761&highlight=#75761

Your faith in the drafting talents of TT amaze me. He has done NOTHING to even give a glimmer of hope. If you think stock-piling high draft choices is the answer, then you don't have a clue. Several teams have gone that route with no success. A GM need's to be able to bring in the right FA's and mix them in with the youth and I'd say there has been enough evidence to point out that TT is lacking in player evaluation skills.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=78661&highlight=#78661

This season will continue to suck and going 3-13 should'nt be a shock to anyone.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=87783&highlight=#87783

Cleaning house and going young has been tried before and it does'nt work. You need the right mix of vets and we have a GM that sucks at player evaluation. Yep, Woodson sure is worth all that cash. Yet, some will say TT is going in the right direction. There are several of the younger fans in this forum who have no concept of the 70's and 80's and sadly they are going to find out. They will understand how one bad choice has a snowball effect. I just don't see this "future hope" that they have. This team has so many holes, that it's just pathetic......

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=87311&highlight=#87311

Well may-be by the end of the season, many of you TT supporters will open your eyes and see that this guy has DESTROYED this franchise. He makes Dan Devine look smart. Let's see now, how many mistakes has he made with player moves? Every week it's the same line from MM- "we gotts get it fixed". He does'nt have a clue. Sherman was a much better coach than this clown will ever be and I never thought I'd say that. TT states he hired MM because of the man and not the x's and o's. Gee, does'nt that tell you something about him? Well at least he's honest cause MM does'nt know shit about x's and o's on either side of the ball.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=88594&highlight=#88594

This team is so far away from being competitive that it's pathetic.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=93449&highlight=#93449

I would love to buy the we're improving BS but the facts say that so far, TT has not improved us in even 1 area. … What happens IF we end up with a worse record than last season? Are you still gonna tell us we're improving under TT?????????????????????????

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=92923&highlight=#92923

The cap excuse has been worn to death by the TT supporters when in reality there were ways. TT is a freaking moron.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=97560&highlight=#97560

Pope is a HUGE upgrade over Herron. Good move by TT even if I was the first here to suggest it back in pre-season. Better late than never!

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=96912&highlight=#96912

The sad part is that we are so far away from even having a competitive D that it's depressing. Where is this improvment on D gonna come from? A lot of questions with few answers...........

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=101950&highlight=#101950

I think it all depends on what Thompson does. If he puts this team out on the field , then we'll be lucky to win 5 games.