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Originally posted by Partial
Mike Tomlin....he was Tamp'a's secondary coach I think.
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Anybody else get the feeling the Tampa Bay 2 and the Jim Bates scheme are basically the same thing (minus a few tweaks), but called different things?"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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I don't. They have their linebackers 3 across in a zone normally don't they? I don't believe we do.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangersComment
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Starting to sound like the REAL question is if Hodge will be better then Hawk. Everyone seems to think Hodge/Greenway arent that far apart.Originally posted by RastakComment
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Only time will tell. Lets hope that they are both damn good.Originally posted by MadtownPackerComment
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Madtown,
your signature is rather homoerotic, if I do say so myself
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I think Hawk is much more versatile than Hodge, and of course, he has more size... but, I think very highly of Hodge.Originally posted by MadtownPacker
I certainly think more highly of Hodge than I do Greenway... Greenway was the one "highly rated, i.e. first round rated" guy that I did not want to see the Packers draft - if they had traded down.
I don't think Greenway is a 1st round calibur player.wistComment
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They both play a cover 2 scheme in the back end. They both line their DEs wide. They both prefer LBs that can run, and don't mind undersized LBs. Not sure about what's preferable at DT, but I'm assuming ideally they'd want big DTs that keep OL off their LBs. The only real differences that I can tell is that Tampa tends to play their corners off wideouts (e.g. their corners play more zone than man)--while Green Bay likes to play bump and run. Fundamentally, they seem very similar to me. Maybe they like their LBs to have more gap responsibility--whereas Bates likes his LBs to run to the ball.Originally posted by Partial"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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I don't know a lot about Greenway, I do know that the Vikings fired their personell director after what has been called a "poor" draft by the Vikings. I heard a lot of rumors about him getting the ax but I am sure that's just what they were. Most of the Vikings Fans I know are such bandwagoners that they didn't even know that Greenway was their #1 pick, I am sure when the season starts they will all automatically become "experts"...."Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
– Benjamin FranklinComment
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You're probably right the more I think about it. The only significant difference is their corners generally play a pretty deep zone.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
The safeties are set-up to be the playmakers in both defenses by coming over the top. It kind of makes you wonder why they wanted Manual. You'd think they'd really want safeties that were burners in this scheme.Comment
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Greenway is really good in coverage. If he was faster and smaller he'd be a pretty good safety in my opinion. I am having a hard time comparing the two.
In my mind, Hodge fits the Pittsburg Steeler mentally with his short coming being he is really undersized. He hits hard and is really instinctive.
Greenway is more of an athlete than a bruiser. He seems like the type of guy Sherman liked to bring in to me. He's more in the mold of a better Nick Barnett than a Greg Lloyd or a Joey Porter. More finess than anything.
I think in the end Hodge will work out fine. He is the type of hitter and bad dude like Odell Thurman. He is a man's man linebacker to me. I really hope the linebacking coach is smart enough to realize you need a bad dude in the middle. Thats the one position of the linebackers where you want a big hitter that is not afraid to get into the brawl and lay it all on the line.
Hawk and Barnett have the speed to run all over the field. With a solid middle linebacker, these two can be the natural playmakers they were borne to be on the outside. I would love that.
I am PRAYING they move Barnett to the strong-side and sacrifice a few weeks of solid performance and adjusting for the last 13-14 weeks of the season and the future of great defensive play.Comment
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I agree partial... probably my biggest complaint against Barnett is that he is so soft - I hate passive football.
Hodge would immediately make the second level of the Packers defense much tougher... I'm hoping against hope that he's in the starting lineup by the 3rd or 4th game.
Myself, I would just make the appropriate moves, and Hodge would be starting from day 1.wistComment
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Would you like Barnett more on the outside? I think if he is the strong-side backer and covering the tight end, he can have more success being a finess player then he could in the middle.Comment
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Well using the most significant scouting tool known to man...Madden 2006, I know this.
Barnett in the middle is rated at 88. If you move him to the weakside his rating jumps up to a 94 automatically.
In all seriousness though I think it is premature to say any of these guys will be better than Barnett. Barnett has had some monster games and is a proven player in the NFL. He isn't perfect, but he can be a player. I think there will be some intense competition at many positions during training camp."For a fan base that so gratefully took to success, it bothers me how easily some fans are resigned to failure."
No Mo Moss 9.14.06
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I think Barnett is a pro-bowler on the strong-side. Coverage is his forte since he was a converted safety. He'd be great at the strong-side. The only problem is he sucks at getting off blocks, but then again what linebacker doesn't.
Hawk is a good blitzer so he is definitely meant for the weak-side. If hodge was 4 inches taller and 25 pounds heavier, he'd be a top 10 pick.Comment
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