Has McCarthy Corraled The Gunslinger?

[Deputy Nutz]

what a dumb thread.. you are never gonna "corral" favre... hes still thrown 2 picks in the first two games which is about his average in his normal seasons. People are making too big of a deal out of his INT's from the 2005 and 2006 seasons... Favres always thrown INT's, infact I think his best games are the 275+ yards with 2-3 tds and 1 int... for some reason thats how i'll always remember the guy... when u play as long, and thrown the ball as many times... INT's are gonna happen... get over it

the only difference is for the first two games, hes not throwing a pick when we cant have one.. thats the only difference in his play and i thank him for that

Well INT don't tell the whole story on whether or not Favre is playing well, or playing within the system McCarthy has created. Favre's INT last Sunday was caused by Donald Driver losing focus on the ball when a defenders hand shot in front of him. Favre threw a great ball and Drive set it up in the air like a fucking volleyball.

[son of a vic]

memo to "Pacopetey" My concept is prime rib, and your opinion is pathetically pointless.

[The Shadow]

One of the most impressive moments of the game Sunday for me was "I think this was in the forth quarter" when we were in Eagles territory Favre went through his first read, second read, third read, and maybe even his forth and then proceeded to chuck the ball out of bounds. That hardly ever happens.

Noticed the same thing, and was impressed.
McCarthy has throttled #4 down and the result is a 2-0 start.
I only hope the trend continues.

[woodbuck27]

Re: QB's

It's really very simple. QB has time to throw ball (like against the G-men), QB completes lots of passes and looks good. QB gets pounded (like against Philly) and QB look's like crap. No mystery to it..........

Yup. Favre didn't look really terrific in the first half but the half changed something.

In the first half the OL was falling on Favre. He couldn't get set thus find any rhythm. It appeared to me that he was frustrated.

The OL got it done right in the second half and gave Favre a break. Rhythm . . reminds me of the Johnny Cash song.

I also agree that Mike McCarthy and Favre have established a positive overall relationship but that had to be based in respect for Favre the veteren and competive QB that hates to lose. MM knows his best chance for a win is in Favre by a long shot. He's a clear leader on our team and there has to be give and take.

A lot of the pressure is on Favre and MM and they must be on the same page.

Favre is tossing the ball away it seems more now.That is good and demonstrates to me that MM has positively influenced Brett Favre. He still makes the unbelievable happen. He has grown into more patience.

Favre had to change his game to play out his contract.

Play smarter.

[the_idle_threat]

Favre was known to be at odds with Sherman's OC---Tom Rossley. I wonder how much that affected his performance, especially in the 4-12 year. Seems like Favre has more respect for McCarthy.

[woodbuck27]

Favre was known to be at odds with Sherman's OC---Tom Rossley. I wonder how much that affected his performance, especially in the 4-12 year. Seems like Favre has more respect for McCarthy.

Favre used to always sit by himself and mull over the play book when things were on sour mode.

He is on the sidelines more with MM. More with the other players as well.

He may be more determined to demonstrate and have more real fun.

[son of a vic]

Sunday will be the final exam on his patience and decision making. This is one of the top five defenses in the NFL. I know this is stating thee obvious, but what I'm getting at is that Favre doesn't have to throw 3 TD's and pass for 300 yards, to have a GOOD game. Take care of the rock, and we have a shot at 3-0.

[cpk1994]

Favre was known to be at odds with Sherman's OC---Tom Rossley. I wonder how much that affected his performance, especially in the 4-12 year. Seems like Favre has more respect for McCarthy.

Rossley seemed tp part of the problem. The other was Shermans's refusal to do anything about Brett's mistakes, instead preferring to make excuses like, "Brett's thumb is injured", "The ball slipped out of his hands", etc.

[MJZiggy]

Well, I'd give him a little leeway when he's got a broken thumb, but it wasn't broken the whole time Sherman coached him. Nice that he has some accountability now.

[son of a vic]

Sunday will be the final exam on his patience and decision making. This is one of the top five defenses in the NFL. I know this is stating thee obvious, but what I'm getting at is that Favre doesn't have to throw 3 TD's and pass for 300 yards, to have a GOOD game. Take care of the rock, and we have a shot at 3-0.

Mr. Favre, you may pick up your diploma in Mike's office.

[Pacopete4]

weird.. favre was a gunslinger today just like he was 10 yrs ago.. threw balls that had chances to be picked, but werent and threw 3 tds and nearly 400 yrds.. ur point is still dumb

[son of a vic]

weird.. favre was a gunslinger today just like he was 10 yrs ago.. threw balls that had chances to be picked, but werent and threw 3 tds and nearly 400 yrds.. ur point is still dumb

How many times did he chuck it into double or triple coverage? How many times did he throw a deep pass with the safety calling a fair catch?

The point is valid, because he has strayed away from this type of play, ever since Holmgren left. If you can't grasp this very simple concept, do not waste my time with your assonine rebuttals.

[Pacopete4]

actually he threw it right into the hands of a defender in the endzone when trying to hook up with greg jennings...

4th and 1.. tried to fit it in to bubba when we all know what happened in buffalo last season

the slant were driver caught it and broke a tackle and did a dance for the fans sitting inside the bleacher seats... driver= not open at all... jennings was wide open on the same route on the same side... you may say he completed it so it dont matter.. but it was a typical favre throw and i love ever second of it

throwing off his backfoot while being hit to donald lee on a 3 down that coulda very easily been picked had it been another QB throwing it with less arm strenght


4 instances that just came in my mind without watchin the game again.. weird

if you cant "grasp" the fact that he is still a gunslinger that just doesnt have to win a game all on his own anymore than your the one that doesnt know what he's talking about... Favre's playin like he did in his prime years because now he has 3 WR's and 2 TE's that are catchin the ball well for him.. plus RB's that are doing the same outta the backfield...

[swede]

Vandermause wrote a recent article with a similar point regarding whether or not Favre has been "disciplined" or "reigned in" by MM. In it he quotes Mike Holmgren who says that Favre's unchecked tendency to throw picks cost the Packers several games in the 4-12 season. With all due respect, Mr. Holmgren, I say "bull$hip!"

I think any series of outrageous picks in the last three or four years tended to happen when the games were already slipping away, It was only then that Brett tried saving them with really high risk throws. Brett rarely lost games all by himself.

I concur with the idea that for the first time in many years Favre is coming to the line and calling out adjustments to fellow players that are actually making the adjustments with him. I'm ecstatic that MM gives Fave permission to audible, and it is making marvelous use of a rare resource on the football field: no one else will ever bring as much quarterback experience to a game than Mr. Brett Favre. George Blanda doesn't count.

I recall James Jones coming back to a scambling Favre (pretty sure it was the SD game) and I thought how just a few games ago in preseason Favre was scolding the kid for not doing that exact same thing. Being in synch with his teammates is one of the main reasons Favre's picks are down--not simply that he's been "reined in" by a bossy coach.

[fan4life]

Vandermause wrote a recent article with a similar point regarding whether or not Favre has been "disciplined" or "reigned in" by MM. In it he quotes Mike Holmgren who says that Favre's unchecked tendency to throw picks cost the Packers several games in the 4-12 season. With all due respect, Mr. Holmgren, I say "bull$hip!"

I think any series of outrageous picks in the last three or four years tended to happen when the games were already slipping away, It was only then that Brett tried saving them with really high risk throws. Brett rarely lost games all by himself.

I concur with the idea that for the first time in many years Favre is coming to the line and calling out adjustments to fellow players that are actually making the adjustments with him. I'm ecstatic that MM gives Fave permission to audible, and it is making marvelous use of a rare resource on the football field: no one else will ever bring as much quarterback experience to a game than Mr. Brett Favre. George Blanda doesn't count.

I recall James Jones coming back to a scambling Favre (pretty sure it was the SD game) and I thought how just a few games ago in preseason Favre was scolding the kid for not doing that exact same thing. Being in synch with his teammates is one of the main reasons Favre's picks are down--not simply that he's been "reined in" by a bossy coach.

Great post.