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  • #46
    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
    Originally posted by Bretsky
    When you truly examine the contract, as you did, it becomes more of a no brainer to bring Ahman back to GB. He would not be tearing it up here by any means, but he's much much better than what we have. Honestly, frontloading the deal into this years cap would have been right up TT's alley for Ahman.
    Round and round. We are $13M under the cap. How much would have realistically been able to frontload--yet still give Ahman the long-term deal he was seeking? Not much. Especially if you want to extend some of your own guys (by frontloading contracts). Remember also that it was still early in the FA process, so I don't think Thompson felt assured that he'd have $13M left at the time Ahman signed his deal. He probably was thinking that he'd still need room for Randy Moss' contract.
    Frontload that baby 6-7 Million right away year one. Then we have 5-7 left.
    Who of our own guys are we frontloading anyways ? Corey Williams is the only guy to consider, and I'm not sure he's in TT's plans. Harrell has to contribute sometime, right ?

    You do make a good point about Moss; if TT was banking on his ability to close that deal. But that one went array too
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    • #47
      Harrell does have to contribute, but don't you think it would be a good idea to hold onto Williams until Harrell actually does contribute?
      "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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      • #48
        Originally posted by MJZiggy
        Harrell does have to contribute, but don't you think it would be a good idea to hold onto Williams until Harrell actually does contribute?

        Did we hold onto Ahman Green until Brandon Jackson contributed ?
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #49
          They were expecting Morency to do that. They thought they had the piece of the puzzle in place but he got injured. Jackson wasn't supposed to be #1 this year. That has nothing to do with what they do with Williams.
          "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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          • #50
            In all honesty, I would think that Morency's days in GB are numbered. With the experience that the youngsters are getting in his place right now, Morency and his salary have become expendable. Perhaps not this season, as depth is an issue. But I would think that Thompson would be smart enough to realize that Morency seems to be injury prone, and that the best time to get rid of him would be directly after he comes back from his injury. Morency has never been, by any means, a star player like Green, and could easily be replaced by a late round draft pick next year.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by PackerBlues
              In all honesty, I would think that Morency's days in GB are numbered. With the experience that the youngsters are getting in his place right now, Morency and his salary have become expendable.
              Lets see him play before we write his obituary.

              Morency is only in his third season.

              You might be right. Check that - you are almost certainly right, he has "stopgap" written on his forehead. But he might be the best back on the roster this year.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                Originally posted by Bretsky
                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                I wish Ahman all the best. Wouldn't care if it proved Thompson wrong or not. I also don't blame Thompson for his decision on Ahman.

                The only thing that's sad is that I was hoping he'd finish his career in Green Bay and get the rushing record. Plus, my #30 Packers jersey with "Green" on the back isn't as cool.
                I hope Ahman tears it up and somehow makes the pro bowl so we get an extra 3rd round draft pick
                That's the other side of it. If Ahman does tear it up (and he only has to do so this year), we get a good draft pick. That makes Thompson's decision even more reasonable.
                In that case Go Ahman Green! Hit 2500 GP yards!!

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Bretsky
                  When you truly examine the contract, as you did, it becomes more of a no brainer to bring Ahman back to GB. He would not be tearing it up here by any means, but he's much much better than what we have.
                  I doubt it. To me, Morency looked as good as Ahman at times in running the ball last year. Ahman's value was basically his ability to block and be a reliable safety valve out of the backfield.

                  I don't see how that is worth $4-5M a year...especially when you consider that Ahman wouldn't be doing any better than Jackson or Wynn right now behind our pathetic OL play the first 2 weeks. Better to stash that cash in our team's reserve at this point...because Green Bay does not have the revenue capacity that big market teams have. Even after Lambeau's makeover, we are no better than middle of the road in revenue production.

                  We aren't the Redskins...we don't have an owner's unlimited cash reserves to fall back on. Spending money foolishly HURTS the Packers.
                  My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Bretsky
                    Frontload that baby 6-7 Million right away year one. Then we have 5-7 left. Who of our own guys are we frontloading anyways ? Corey Williams is the only guy to consider, and I'm not sure he's in TT's plans. Harrell has to contribute sometime, right ?

                    You do make a good point about Moss; if TT was banking on his ability to close that deal. But that one went array too
                    $6-7M year one? That leaves $16M more dollars for the final 3 years. We're good next year. The following year we started hitting FAs with some of our younger players, so we don't want to push too much dead money into next year. If Ahman got injured = hello dead money. There was an article in the JSO that stated that Thompson might look at extending some guys that are more than a year away from UFA. Like the Harris and Driver deals.
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by PackerBlues
                      In all honesty, I would think that Morency's days in GB are numbered.
                      Why? He could easily return to the lineup in the near future and put up good numbers. He's in a contract year...I expect him to come back and play very hard, and with the lackluster performance of Jackson the door is wide open.

                      Honestly, Morency and Wynn could be a capable 1-2 punch in the second half of this season.
                      My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                      • #56
                        Bottom Line: risk to reward is too great for AG. TT made the right call -- someone or the group shall be as productive as AG.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by rbaloha
                          Bottom Line: risk to reward is too great for AG. TT made the right call -- someone or the group shall be as productive as AG.
                          And thats all you need to know.

                          Originally posted by 3irty1
                          This is museum quality stupidity.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by MJZiggy
                            They were expecting Morency to do that. They thought they had the piece of the puzzle in place but he got injured. Jackson wasn't supposed to be #1 this year. That has nothing to do with what they do with Williams.
                            ya, sure they were
                            TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                            • #59
                              I'm opening up to the idea of letting Williams go. He's been disappointing. I acctually think Cole has looked better and Jolly has been a good notch better as well.
                              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                              • #60
                                Williams is a very good rotation guy. He would be great to keep around if he doesn't break the bank and if it looks like Harrell will be a bust.
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