Ahman Green

[woodbuck27]

I have always said TT messed this one up. I don't think they should've paid him 5 million a year, although, why the hell not, the moneys just sitting in the bank anyways. But, if we would've given him a fair deal like 3 million for 3 years before FA, he would've signed it. He deserved it, would've been productive, helped our offense, and ultimately became the all time leading rusher in GB. We screwed him, and he handled it like a gentleman. I admire him for that. He could've ranted about the disloyalty of our organization how the past two years went down. It's bullshit and was handled as badly as the Javon incident. I just think TT's tight white demeanor is unappealing to these athletes. He probably tells them all how "lucky they are" to be a part of this organization instead of humbling himself and letting them feel appreciated and wanted. TT seems to be bad in this area.

By the way, it's bullshit that a nobody is wearing No.30 this year. Give the guy his props and keep that number off the field for a while at least or give it to someone who seems to deserve it. Not some second string nobody. That really ticks me off. I hope Ahman rushes for 1,500 yards this year, and probably will. Although, he may fumble 7 times also.

BRAVO !!!!

[woodbuck27]

Ted Thompson had a real shot at attaining Ahman Green if he just acted towords Ahman with some decent respect and signed him even to a three year contract at say 4 Million.

That had to be done by sometime in Jan. - Feb. Ahman Green knew what he had in the tank and he had an idea of his value then there is his proper sense of pride.

The longer Ted waited the better chance that Ahman would disappear. He had no plan to sign Ahman Green or it would have gotten just there. Eithyer that or he screweed up again or showed us again another example of his weakness to be a solid GM.

I'm only speculating this but I believe that Ahman would have snapped that. Instead Ole Ted likes to let things drag on. . . and drag on some more.

I wonder how long he sits on the toilet.

Now imagine this Packer fans for this season at least.

What we have now plus Ahman Green and Randy Moss.

Ted Thompson had all the power to get that done.

We only saw two more whiffs.

[woodbuck27]

Oh, my favorite topic!

Alot of the deals under the new cap are going to seem "Overpaid", because teams have alot of cap space and have the money to spend. It's going to be a few years before we start seeing cap casualties again.

Green wanted to stay in GB. TT tried to lowball him. Then Green hit FA, got an offer from Houston and TT raised his price. Well, maybe if TT would have offered him that price (whatever it was, we'll never know) to begin with BEFORE FA started, we would still have #30 in our backfield.

Where are all the people who were arguing with me that "Green was old and we'll be fine with Morency and BJ?" Silence speaks volumes.

Yeah, everyone has something that they feel pretty strongly about... for some it was letting Walker go, or not keeping Wahle.....well, it's no secret what mine is Damn freaken Turtle....

DAM it I loved Ahman Green and he played his heart out for us and in some ways I'm glad that he escaped the heartless clown that is our GM.

YOUR POST HIT A HOME RUN with me GBRulz.

As GOD may witness this I swear that Ted Thompson's personality (well - no personality) will kill our team in time.

Who would want to play for such a heartless man?

He's like cold stone.

[woodbuck27]

PB, we're two games in and undefeated. You can tell me so after Green and Moss have both survived the season and have done better than our teams. (and in Moss's case, manages to keep his trap shut and out of trouble for the season)

The Lawyer posts.

What in hell has being 2-0 have to do with us losing a real solid Packer like Ahman Green and the fact that Randy Moss woukl have been ours (not in New England) if we had a GM with any GD sense.

Secondly if anyone wanted to go back in time you mj wanted Moss in Green Bay.

Am I right or wrong on both points? mj ???

[MJZiggy]

PB, we're two games in and undefeated. You can tell me so after Green and Moss have both survived the season and have done better than our teams. (and in Moss's case, manages to keep his trap shut and out of trouble for the season)

The Lawyer posts.

What in hell has being 2-0 have to do with us losing a real solid Packer like Ahman Green and the fact that Randy Moss woukl have been ours (not in New England) if we had a GM with any GD sense.

Being 2-0 has to do with it because we're winning without either of them. (Not that I don't love Ahman and wish he were here, but he's not.)

Secondly if anyone wanted to go back in time you mj wanted Moss in Green Bay.

I did, but he's not, so about 5 minutes after the announcement was made, I got over it because he doesn't play for us.

Am I right or wrong on both points? mj ???

I'd say you're not.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Ahman Green

Then what in HELL does Ted Thompson care. He is an acccountant.

End of story.

Do you hate accountants too?

[Bretsky]

They were expecting Morency to do that. They thought they had the piece of the puzzle in place but he got injured.

I sure hope they weren't thinking that. Morency had never demonstrated the ability to stay healthy and contribute on a consistent basis. It's no surprise to me a two week back injury is running on week seven right about now.

Our RB problems are not going away this year.

I Don't buy for a second they were banking on Morency

[woodbuck27]

Re: Ahman Green

Then what in HELL does Ted Thompson care. He is an acccountant.

End of story.

Do you hate accountants too?

No Scott I don't HATE anybody as I exercise the proper control over my life not to get sucked in by idiot psycho opportunists.

and accountants. . .

In my experience are often a tad too anal retentive to suit my open or outgoing personality as just a regular guy. Now I'm sure Scott that there are some accountants as cool as I am.

[woodbuck27]

PB, we're two games in and undefeated. You can tell me so after Green and Moss have both survived the season and have done better than our teams. (and in Moss's case, manages to keep his trap shut and out of trouble for the season)

The Lawyer posts.

What in hell has being 2-0 have to do with us losing a real solid Packer like Ahman Green and the fact that Randy Moss woukl have been ours (not in New England) if we had a GM with any GD sense.

Being 2-0 has to do with it because we're winning without either of them. (Not that I don't love Ahman and wish he were here, but he's not.)

Secondly if anyone wanted to go back in time you mj wanted Moss in Green Bay.

I did, but he's not, so about 5 minutes after the announcement was made, I got over it because he doesn't play for us.

Am I right or wrong on both points? mj ???

I'd say you're not.

Ahhh again like a natual Lawyer. Misleading.

Am I not right or not wrong mj?

So you miss Ahman.

I assume that is at least because he's a bettter RB now than what TT supplied or allowed to survive.

Ahman was the choice for way too many reasons for our #1 RB this season. The only reason not to go with a fair and agreeable offer early in 2007 long before FA would be if you were indecisive in general or not aware that should he reach FA he may be gone. You would be playing with his pride if you waited till FA to get him at what you considered a fair cost and then risking being accused of petty behaviour or playing games with a respected and talented Packer.

You admitted that you wanted TT to secure Randy Moss and because he even tried and failed in that pursuit he showed another weakness that even you might have seen.

I guessing then that I am right on both counts in that TT failing to retain Green and not secure Moss for a pick that might have been (again) better timed or as it played out higher than NE's offer of an earlier 4th ( a third ).

The debate here is did TT or didn't TT make an error of managing our team in regards to losing Ahman Green?

Not skilled enough to land Rany Moss compounded our offense in the clear sense that Ahman Green landed in Houston.

[vince]

Woody,

You claim to not hate Ted Thompson and you claim to not have an ego when you provide your analysis.

Why then, do you insist on standing with your nose constantly planted to one or two trees? Those couple trees are blocking your view of the whole forest!

It's a beautiful forest Woody. Step back from the tree and take a look.

[woodbuck27]

Woody,

You claim to not hate Ted Thompson and you claim to not have an ego when you provide your analysis.

Why then, do you insist on standing with your nose constantly planted to one or two trees? Those couple trees are blocking your view of the whole forest!

It's a beautiful forest Woody. Step back from the tree and take a look.

No one enjoys Packer wins more than I do but before you leave to drive a great distance you make sure that you have a well maintained or very decent vehicle.

The Packer vehicle is run down and not maintained to win now Vince.

We cannot win consistently and against solid teams when the running game is as it was left by the lose of an Ahman Green without compensation on TT's part of any real sense. If you lose a playmaker as Green was you need something to replace that talent.

We got nothing like A. Green in our backfield so common sense tells me we can't go on winning long term. TT wasn't busy enough possibly and certainly not successful preparing our 'O' this off season. That is way too obvious today and will become moreso as the season progress's.

The shelves arn't properly maintained or stocked.

The bubble has to and will break,

[vince]

Your analogy doesn't fit very well Woody, but to go with it anyway...

Vehicles don't typically refuel as they're going down the road, or become more efficient with use, but this Packer team is the kind of vehicle that gets better - not worn down - the farther you drive it. I'd like to own that kind of vehicle!

Ahman Green (through no fault of his - he's just getting old at a young man's position) tends to wear down with time. And in 4 years, he's likely to be on cynder blocks in some Texan's yard - still draining it's owner's wallet from the limited liability maintenance contract he purchased years ago.

I salute Ahman Green for his contributions to the Packer franchise. To resign him was to take on a significant risk - hardly a no-brainer as many seem to want to portray it as.

[woodbuck27]

Your analogy doesn't fit very well Woody, but to go with it anyway...

Vehicles don't typically refuel as they're going down the road, or become more efficient with use, but this Packer team is the kind of vehicle that gets better - not worn down - the farther you drive it. I'd like to own that kind of vehicle!

Ahman Green (through no fault of his - he's just getting old at a young man's position) tends to wear down with time. And in 4 years, he's likely to be on cynder blocks in some Texan's yard - still draining it's owner's wallet from the limited liability maintenance contract he purchased years ago.

I salute Ahman Green for his contributions to the Packer franchise. To resign him was to take on a significant risk - hardly a no-brainer as many seem to want to portray it as.

Vince:

We cannot win consistently and against solid teams when the running game is as it was left by the lose of an Ahman Green, without compensation on TT's part of any real sense. If you lose a playmaker as Green was you need something to replace that talent.

We got nothing like A. Green in our backfield so common sense tells me we can't go on winning long term. You can't have #1,#2 and #3 and lose #1 and expect #2 and #3 to fill, when there is little evidence that that isn't more than hope to a negative or weak response - a mere whim.

The bubble has to and will break,

[vince]

OK Woody. You are obviously intent on standing in front of a young tree and expecting a storm to blow it over and kill it.

I'm intent on watching the thriving forest continue to grow - aided by the rain that will come every now and then.

I like the view from where I stand.

[Bretsky]

I must admit; I'd be really frickin excited about the potential for this team to go far into the playoffs if TT had Landed Randy Moss and Ahman Green

We're still moving the the right direction to become a contender to make the playoffs though.

As I've stated many times, I'm content this year watching Favre break records and the defense being developed into a dominant unit