Our Run Game

[HarveyWallbangers]

Tomlinson did not run well. He ran 22 times, that's a fair amount, so it is reasonable to conclude that the Packers did shut him down somewhat. I'll buy that conclusion.

Now, post Philip Rivers stats for the day. He simply carved us up. In a losing effort, notwithstanding, but it was impressive none the less.

Quite honestly, these Packers have played well on D, but seemingly shut down one or the other. So far, they've managed to shut down the right one to win the game, not taking anything away, but don't claim the "D" was great, when Rivers threw for 306 yards and 3tds.

Now, McNabb and the Eagles stunk on both sides of the ball, (as did we on Offense), the Giants Derrick Ward averaged 6yards per carry. Who is Derrick Ward? Exactly. Yet they won, handily.

That's one way to look at it. I prefer to see that we shut down what the opposing offenses like to do best. We pressured Philly and shut down their passing game and contained Westbrook. We took away the Giants passing game. That's what they do best. Dedrick Ward getting 90 yards wasn't going to kill us. BTW, if you haven't noticed Ward has been pretty damn impressive in his other games also. He looks like a mini-Westbrook. Just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean he's not a good RB. Against LT, we took away their strength (the running game).

Adrian Peterson made our Defense look like turnstiles, even if you take out the 50 yard run. Chester Taylor also kicked off a large gain too.

I'll grant you that we had some leaks in the Minnesota game. It happens. Our #1 ranked Super Bowl defense was carved up at the Metrodome. However, you take away the 92 yards on those 2 runs and their combined 60 yards on 18 carries doesn't look impressive. Minnesota never really threatened the endzone. The defense did a great job of stopping them once they got to the 30 (which isn't that hard), and they did put on a lot of pressure late in the game.

OL still largely stink.

The pass blocking has been EXCEPTIONAL since the first game. If you didn't notice Philly had 9 sacks against Detroit and Osi Umenyiora had 6 sacks in last week's game. San Diego puts together a great blitz package, and we were able to block them with 5.

There have been many more positives than negatives. How about the pass blocking, the receivers, the TEs, the QB, the special teams, the overall play of the defense. All playing well. I prefer to look at it as if we do get a run block (something we did as the season progressed last year and now we have our best RB back), then we are going to be a tough team to beat.

[Tarlam!]

Yah yah yah. We're terrible. TT fucked up. MM couldn't coach 3rd graders.

Thank God 4 teams are worse than we are. Thank God, we have a better record than 28 other teams.


So far.

[retailguy]

Yah yah yah. We're terrible. TT fucked up. MM couldn't coach 3rd graders.

Thank God 4 teams are worse than we are. Thank God, we have a better record than 28 other teams.


So far.

this is GREAT football discussion. Since you already used your wife, which family member can I be like?

[Zool]

Couldnt agree more RG, but to drop inaccuracies just to try and further an agenda, I dont like that.


C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
P. Rivers 27/36 306 8.5 3 1

Rivers CARVED through the secondary throughout the first half. The second half he had success but nothing shocking.



The passing game is carrying the Packers right now. I didnt get to see the Giants game, thank you CBS double header, but from all appearances the D played well. The frustrating thing about the D is they will hold and hold then let up a 30-40 yard run. That has to fall on the LBs and safetys. They are supposed to clean up the runs that get through the line before they become big gains.

The Bears could very well win this weekend, but their weakness is their pass D (321ypg) and that is our strength. That in itself gives me confidence. Its a home game, their D is banged up especially in the secondary and they were just beat by the Lions using the same scheme McM has been running.

I'm far more confident in this game than I am the Denver/KC back to back road games following the bye.

[retailguy]

Tomlinson did not run well. He ran 22 times, that's a fair amount, so it is reasonable to conclude that the Packers did shut him down somewhat. I'll buy that conclusion.

Now, post Philip Rivers stats for the day. He simply carved us up. In a losing effort, notwithstanding, but it was impressive none the less.

Quite honestly, these Packers have played well on D, but seemingly shut down one or the other. So far, they've managed to shut down the right one to win the game, not taking anything away, but don't claim the "D" was great, when Rivers threw for 306 yards and 3tds.

Now, McNabb and the Eagles stunk on both sides of the ball, (as did we on Offense), the Giants Derrick Ward averaged 6yards per carry. Who is Derrick Ward? Exactly. Yet they won, handily.

That's one way to look at it. I prefer to see that we shut down what the opposing offenses like to do best. We pressured Philly and shut down their passing game and contained Westbrook. We took away the Giants passing game. That's what they do best. Dedrick Ward getting 90 yards wasn't going to kill us. BTW, if you haven't noticed Ward has been pretty damn impressive in his other games also. He looks like a mini-Westbrook. Just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean he's not a good RB. Against LT, we took away their strength (the running game).

Adrian Peterson made our Defense look like turnstiles, even if you take out the 50 yard run. Chester Taylor also kicked off a large gain too.

I'll grant you that we had some leaks in the Minnesota game. It happens. Our #1 ranked Super Bowl defense was carved up at the Metrodome. However, you take away the 92 yards on those 2 runs and their combined 60 yards on 18 carries doesn't look impressive. Minnesota never really threatened the endzone. The defense did a great job of stopping them once they got to the 30 (which isn't that hard), and they did put on a lot of pressure late in the game.

OL still largely stink.

The pass blocking has been EXCEPTIONAL since the first game. If you didn't notice Philly had 9 sacks against Detroit and Osi Umenyiora had 6 sacks in last week's game. San Diego puts together a great blitz package, and we were able to block them with 5.

There have been many more positives than negatives. How about the pass blocking, the receivers, the TEs, the QB, the special teams, the overall play of the defense. All playing well. I prefer to look at it as if we do get a run block (something we did as the season progressed last year and now we have our best RB back), then we are going to be a tough team to beat.

Harvey,

I'm not saying we "stink". I"m saying I see holes. I didn't talk directly about what is good, because that wasn't my point, I was looking at holes, hence my post.

Do you think opposing defenses can shut down what we do very well? And, if they can, what to do about it? I agree about the pass blocking, it has been good, but nothing indicates run blocking will change any time soon. If they take away the short pass, then, we don't really need to pass block, do we?

[Tarlam!]

Get over it RG. We're 4-0 despite my wife and the running game.

[retailguy]

Couldnt agree more RG, but to drop inaccuracies just to try and further an agenda, I dont like that.


C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
P. Rivers 27/36 306 8.5 3 1

Rivers CARVED through the secondary throughout the first half. The second half he had success but nothing shocking.

I wasn't trying to be "inaccurate". I couldn't watch the game, I was in Tampa at the Bucs/Rams game. I followed the best I could on NFL mobile, but that wasn't a very good substitute.

Considering that the bulk of scoring came in the 2nd half, isn't it reasonable to assume that the passing yardage did also?

From NFL mobile, it seemed as if every time we did something, they marched back down the field. I'll be honest, when 4th and 1 failed, I shut down the phone and enjoyed the rest of the bucs game, then walked 3+ miles back to my hotel room before I "discovered" we won. I don't have DVR so.... I haven't seen the game.

[retailguy]

Get over it RG. We're 4-0 despite my wife and the running game.

Yes SIR! I can see why you are divorced.

[Tarlam!]

Wow, great come back.

[Zool]

Couldnt agree more RG, but to drop inaccuracies just to try and further an agenda, I dont like that.


C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
P. Rivers 27/36 306 8.5 3 1

Rivers CARVED through the secondary throughout the first half. The second half he had success but nothing shocking.

I wasn't trying to be "inaccurate". I couldn't watch the game, I was in Tampa at the Bucs/Rams game. I followed the best I could on NFL mobile, but that wasn't a very good substitute.

Considering that the bulk of scoring came in the 2nd half, isn't it reasonable to assume that the passing yardage did also?

From NFL mobile, it seemed as if every time we did something, they marched back down the field. I'll be honest, when 4th and 1 failed, I shut down the phone and enjoyed the rest of the bucs game, then walked 3+ miles back to my hotel room before I "discovered" we won. I don't have DVR so.... I haven't seen the game.

I was talking about Merlins post, not yours.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harvey,

I'm not saying we "stink". I"m saying I see holes. I didn't talk directly about what is good, because that wasn't my point, I was looking at holes, hence my post.

Of course, there are holes. Did you expect us to look like New England has these first four games? We aren't that good. Many people (you included) thought we struggle to be a .500 team. I see a team that clearly looks better than a .500 team right now. I'll enjoy this, as I didn't expect that we'd look this good. The WRs might be even better than I expected. The TEs have bounced back. Run blocking is horrible. That's a surprise. No RB has stepped up--although I have hope for a couple of the guys yet. The pass blocking has been great since game one, and we no longer are helping them with extra blockers. Favre is playing out of his mind. Crosby is the real deal. Tramon Williams actually looks like an NFL returner--which surprises me. The defense is playing well overall. Atari Bigby just might be the answer at S. The coaching looks improved.

I think pride is not letting you see and enjoy these positives.

[Tarlam!]

I think pride is not letting you see and enjoy these positives.

Sounds A LOT like someone I married...... I will say no more.

[retailguy]

Harvey, See, that's where I lose you. I AM enjoying it, I'm looking forward and trying to reason, what happens if this occurs?, or, what can we do, if this happens?

I don't understand HOW they've been able to win so far, it is rare for teams to continue to win without being at least slightly balanced.

I was looking for yours and other insight as to what you "thought" would happen, because I don't have any answers for that.

Zool - I had ignored Merlin's post, I agreed with you. Tomlinson is on my fantasy roster. I know all too well that he STUNK. When I saw 22 rushes in the box, I just laughed, and wished I had Philip Rivers that day.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The number of snide comments you've made about Thompson all offseason and even after these victories is too numerous to post. When people call you out on your opinion, you act like a persecuted, innocent victim.

All week before the San Diego game, you said Green Bay had little chance to beat them. You even made a snide comment to ziggy after she stated that she thought we could contain Tomlinson. After we did win and contained Tomlinson, you mostly whined about was how our run game stunk and how well Rivers did--and said we can't keep it up without a running game. No mention about how wrong you were that we could contain Tomlinson. Little about what a great and unexpected victory it was. Same thing after the Eagles game. Same thing after the Giants game. Same thing after the Vikings game. Now that they are 4-0, you say there are some positives, but you won't judge them at all until the end of the year. How convenient.

Don't be too proud to man up and take responsibility for your opinion.

BTW, is it that hard to figure out how we are winning? We are getting good play from our defense, good play from our special teams, and exceptional play from our QB and receivers (and the OL in pass protection).

[Tarlam!]

()and exceptional play from our QB and receivers (and the OL in pass protection).

Agreed, but not in the Philly game. I know I took it out of context!