Favre Regresses to Bonehead Passes Again

[HarveyWallbangers]

I should clarify my last post.
Not that I think Martin would be released, but if all WRs are healthy he could very well be a game day inactive, with Bodiford playing instead.

I think it's more likely that Bodiford would get released, and you'd see Robinson on kickoff returns.

[fan4life]

I don't buy blaming the WR's on those interceptions. They were terrible passes. It's not like on a go route where the QB purposely throws the ball to the back shoulder and the WR has the advantage. Those balls just floated in the air, and with the inside angle and being able to track it in the air the whole time they were easy picks for Taylor.

That's not how the coaches see it. Here's what MM had to say in his post-game conference:

(Did you see anything wrong with Jennings' and Jones' route running?)
I know on one third down I wish James would have kept going. He saw something, whether it was a zone or man situation, on the one third down. There was nothing too glaring. There were some competitive throws down the field that you'd like to see your guy come down with it or nobody come down with it. I think we had one or two of those. The specifics of it, I can't answer that question right now.

[Patler]

I should clarify my last post.
Not that I think Martin would be released, but if all WRs are healthy he could very well be a game day inactive, with Bodiford playing instead.

I think it's more likely that Bodiford would get released, and you'd see Robinson on kickoff returns.

Except they keep mentioning what a great "wedge buster" Bodiford is. I think the only reason he was released at the start of the season was because he had tweaked a knee. I think his value is more on the kicking teams than on the receiving teams at this point.

I do wish they would find someone other than Woodson to return punts. He's always banged up anyway, and I would like to see his exposure reduced if possible. It's not like he is a great punt returner anyway!

[Patler]

I don't buy blaming the WR's on those interceptions. They were terrible passes. It's not like on a go route where the QB purposely throws the ball to the back shoulder and the WR has the advantage. Those balls just floated in the air, and with the inside angle and being able to track it in the air the whole time they were easy picks for Taylor.

That's not how the coaches see it. Here's what MM had to say in his post-game conference:

(Did you see anything wrong with Jennings' and Jones' route running?)
I know on one third down I wish James would have kept going. He saw something, whether it was a zone or man situation, on the one third down. There was nothing too glaring. There were some competitive throws down the field that you'd like to see your guy come down with it or nobody come down with it. I think we had one or two of those. The specifics of it, I can't answer that question right now.

It will be interesting to see what MM has to say after reviewing the game tapes. On at least the last interception, it looked like it was underthrown enough that the safety was able to run to it and get better position than the receiver having to stop and come back. It really was a very good play by Taylor. I wish our safeties would go after interceptions as aggressively as that. Especially Collins seems to be focused on batting it away more than trying to catch it.

[gbgary]

the one in the bear game WAS a boneheaded (bad decision) pass but the ones yesterday were not. the guys were wide open, the passes were just underthrown due to whatever reason but the decision to pass the ball was a good one.

[Bossman641]

I don't buy blaming the WR's on those interceptions. They were terrible passes. It's not like on a go route where the QB purposely throws the ball to the back shoulder and the WR has the advantage. Those balls just floated in the air, and with the inside angle and being able to track it in the air the whole time they were easy picks for Taylor.

That's not how the coaches see it. Here's what MM had to say in his post-game conference:

(Did you see anything wrong with Jennings' and Jones' route running?)
I know on one third down I wish James would have kept going. He saw something, whether it was a zone or man situation, on the one third down. There was nothing too glaring. There were some competitive throws down the field that you'd like to see your guy come down with it or nobody come down with it. I think we had one or two of those. The specifics of it, I can't answer that question right now.

Of course he's going to say that, I still don't buy it though.

It's like a box out in bball. The balls were so underthrown that Taylor easily had inside position. Jones made a good effort on the first INT, but Taylor is one of the most athletic safeties in the league, it's no surprise he came down with them.

[jramsey495]

The reason we're not seeing as many slants is that for the past 6 quarters they have been taken away. The Bears and Redskins played basically Cover 2, and then pinched their safeties further into the middle of the field. This closes the gap where the slant is normally thrown.

Our next adjustment is to throw more routes up the sidelines. With the safeties closer to the middle of the field, the outside routes are open. MM definitely had what he wanted yeserday on the outside a few times. Favre just threw horrible balls that hung in the air too long and were throw way too late.

I don't buy blaming the WR's on those interceptions. They were terrible passes. It's not like on a go route where the QB purposely throws the ball to the back shoulder and the WR has the advantage. Those balls just floated in the air, and with the inside angle and being able to track it in the air the whole time they were easy picks for Taylor.

this makes a lot of sense. we're not too hard to figure out and if we don't do something about the running game these next few games on the road are gonna be tough.

does anyone think the weather had anything to do with those balls hanging up? i'm in NC, but it looked like it was raining when I was watching it.

[LEWCWA]

Re: Favre Regresses to Bonehead Passes Again

Except for the poor decision in throwing the interception against the Chicago Bears, Favre has displayed excellent decision-making in the types of passes he has thrown in the first 5 games. His decision-making with regard to passing is a huge factor in the Packers success this year.

This leads me to the disappointment in Favre I saw in today's game. There were several times he threw the ball downfield is a desperation type of bonehead play. A number of those long passes were underthrown. Two of them were intercepted and a third should have been intercepted.

I trust McCarthy will confront Brett about those passes. Brett has been very accurate with his short and mid-range passing. I would like to see him stick within that range.

I really don't see a need to ever go way downfield unless their is absolutely no choice in the matter. The short route dink and dunks, along with the crossing patterns are much to Bretts advantage

Dumbass post of the week, maybe even the year! If the wr is running free you have to make the throw. Thing is you have to make the throw, not a moon ball!

[The Shadow]

Re: Favre Regresses to Bonehead Passes Again

Except for the poor decision in throwing the interception against the Chicago Bears, Favre has displayed excellent decision-making in the types of passes he has thrown in the first 5 games. His decision-making with regard to passing is a huge factor in the Packers success this year.

This leads me to the disappointment in Favre I saw in today's game. There were several times he threw the ball downfield is a desperation type of bonehead play. A number of those long passes were underthrown. Two of them were intercepted and a third should have been intercepted.

I trust McCarthy will confront Brett about those passes. Brett has been very accurate with his short and mid-range passing. I would like to see him stick within that range.

Be careful, oregon : sometimes even hinting at such a mistake(s) could bring the Cult after you with pitchforks.
Favre, overall, has played far better this year than in recent seasons; McCarthy seems to be demanding better decision-making - and voila! - we are 5-1. We can only hope that Sunday's back-foot underthrows were a temporary reversion to the bad old days & and not a harbinger of things to come.
I'm sure McCarthy has already had a little chat with # 4 on the subject.

[BEARMAN]

Good farve, ... Bad farve ?

[Iron Mike]

Good Favre, ... Bad Favre ?

If I were you, I'd give up my Lord Favre obsession and start wondering why it is that Girlacher can't seem to make more than 5 tackles a game lately.

[4and12to12and4]

My god, let this post slide to page ten please. This is complete bullshit. He threw a couple of ducks against a great defensive team in the friggin rain yesterday. Big friggin' deal. I don't hear anyone talking about the 30 yard pass he threw right on the money to JJ that got called back due to a bullshit holding call. His arm was fine there. His arm was fine the LAST play of the Bears game after had thrown 40 passes last week right on the money 40 yards down the field into the endzone that DD had a chance to catch if he outjumps his guy. Brett's arm is fine. Last year, after a long, difficult season, in which he threw for over 3800 yards, he was throwing 100 mile an hour darts all over the field as we kicked the shit out of the Bears, so, what's all this crap about the "decline" at the end of the season. This is a non issue. Let's please let it die. Brett's arm is fine. He's always had some trouble with accuracy in the long ball department. That's why Javon was so needed. Not to mention Moss.

[MadtownPacker]

Good Favre, ... Bad Favre ?

I think bearman knows what he is talking about.

But....

Bad Favre was not as bad as in recent times. He was due for an off-game and that is what it sounds like happened yesterday. I did not get to see the game (first time in several years) so I'm basing it on what all of you have said. The big thing to me is that he had his bad game and the Packers still won. Doesnt sound like a bad deal at all. Almost 5 weeks at an MVP level is not tarnished by 1 bad week IMO.

[Merlin]

The further we get into the season, the more opposing teams will be able to game plan against the Packers. By now, most opposing teams realize that the Packers do not run the ball well, and that the Packers do a lot of dink and dunk passes combined with slants. The scoring is going to get harder, and it is up to M3 to change-up the game plan each week to play against opposing teams weaknesses.


As for Favre and his two interceptions.... probably the same as Crosby and his two missed field goals, slick field and rain. Anyone know what the wind conditions were like during the game? Favre's intercepted passes just seemed to hang. The defenders reacted to the ball a hell of a lot better than our rookie recievers did.

What is really concerning is that our screen passing is horrible. I can understand defenses lining up against the slants but I can't understand why our screens are so obvious. We used to be the best in the league at it, now we're lucky that Favre doesn't get killed trying to throw one.

[Merlin]

Good Favre, ... Bad Favre ?

I think bearman knows what he is talking about.

But....

Bad Favre was not as bad as in recent times. He was due for an off-game and that is what it sounds like happened yesterday. I did not get to see the game (first time in several years) so I'm basing it on what all of you have said. The big thing to me is that he had his bad game and the Packers still won. Doesnt sound like a bad deal at all. Almost 5 weeks at an MVP level is not tarnished by 1 bad week IMO.

I thought Favre played a very good game against the Eagles. He was on the run constantly and made a couple of those plays for the highlight reel that made a difference in the game. His stats didn't show it but he was one tough mofo out there. Then he had 3.5 great games. I still think that argument on the sideline before halftime against the Bears has something to do with the play calling since. I only say that because it's the only thing that stands out to me as to what could affect the play calling so much. Doesn't mean there is anything to it but you have to admit that after all of these years watching Favre, when have you ever seen him go off on a head coach like that (even though it wasn't that bad)?