Holy %&@#! Who is this guy?!

[Noodle]

Blue Dog -- outstanding! Thanks for being there for me. I feel right with myself again.

[Bretsky]

I'm on board with giving Fergy one last chance at love. I remember only one play from last year where I really thought Fergy had a shot at the ball. The other instances of alligator arms were way overexagerated by the folks who refuse to believe that Favre was ever at fault for a single pick. But the fact remains that he didn't come up with the spectacular type of grabs that Walker could pull off.

So sure, like everyone else, I am losing patience with the guy. Nevertheless, I'm sending him waves and waves of powerful, positive thoughts. If he's as fast as ND reports, then we really may have found a guy to go vertical in Walker's absence.

I'M OUT OF LOVE AND STILL HAVING NIGHTMARES ABOUT THE PACKERS EASIEST.........AND WORST DRAFT DAY DECISION THAT YEAR........FERGUSON OVER CHAMBERS

[Bretsky]

sorry bf4 i didn't mean to turn your thread into a fergy thread.



........oh wait on second thought i did

LOL

This Fergy thread is actually a decent one..At least some posters seem open to giving him another chance..

LIKE A CAT; NINE LIVES. HE'S ONLY THROUGH ABOUT FIVE NOW, AND HE'S REBORN AGAIN.

[BF4MVP]

I'm on board with giving Fergy one last chance at love. I remember only one play from last year where I really thought Fergy had a shot at the ball. The other instances of alligator arms were way overexagerated by the folks who refuse to believe that Favre was ever at fault for a single pick. But the fact remains that he didn't come up with the spectacular type of grabs that Walker could pull off.

So sure, like everyone else, I am losing patience with the guy. Nevertheless, I'm sending him waves and waves of powerful, positive thoughts. If he's as fast as ND reports, then we really may have found a guy to go vertical in Walker's absence.

I'M OUT OF LOVE AND STILL HAVING NIGHTMARES ABOUT THE PACKERS EASIEST.........AND WORST DRAFT DAY DECISION THAT YEAR........FERGUSON OVER CHAMBERS

Only a DIE-HARD badger fan like yourself would think that was a worse decision than the hardly-ever-active Jamal Reynolds over the Pro Bowl LB Dan Morgan......

[Bretsky]

I'm on board with giving Fergy one last chance at love. I remember only one play from last year where I really thought Fergy had a shot at the ball. The other instances of alligator arms were way overexagerated by the folks who refuse to believe that Favre was ever at fault for a single pick. But the fact remains that he didn't come up with the spectacular type of grabs that Walker could pull off.

So sure, like everyone else, I am losing patience with the guy. Nevertheless, I'm sending him waves and waves of powerful, positive thoughts. If he's as fast as ND reports, then we really may have found a guy to go vertical in Walker's absence.

I'M OUT OF LOVE AND STILL HAVING NIGHTMARES ABOUT THE PACKERS EASIEST.........AND WORST DRAFT DAY DECISION THAT YEAR........FERGUSON OVER CHAMBERS

Only a DIE-HARD badger fan like yourself would think that was a worse decision than the hardly-ever-active Jamal Reynolds over the Pro Bowl LB Dan Morgan......

My logistics for thinking this are simple; in that draft there were 7 WR's projected to be head of the class by nearly every scout surveyed. Chambers was thought to be in the 4-7 range, but no lower.

Cleveland made the mistake of reaching for Quincy Morgan, who was in the 8-10 range............as was Ferguson.

I think Green Bay was about the only team in the NFL who would have drafted Ferguson over Chambers; the choice was so pathetically obvious it was amazing we f@cked it up. We can't even argue Ferguson was a need pick because they play the same position...........so this was an even greater mistake than Reynolds.......who a lot of scouts thought would be a very good speed rushing DE.

But that pick was for need, and many scouts thought Reynolds would excel in the NFL............not just Green Bay. Yes, Wolf supposedly had Morgan rated as the slightly better football player, but him and Shermy agreed to go for Reynolds and need. While it was clearly a mistake, I'd still argue it was nowhere near the mistake Green Bay made when screwing up what should have been the easiest no brainer of that draft.

[swede]

Wisconsin picks have worked out pretty well for most teams. Usually they are late rounders that hang on to make the team. Higher picks haven't been disasters. Al Toon and Vincent had good careers. I thought Brent Moss was doing well as a 3rd down back in San Diego but I haven't heard much about him lately. I suppose that was long enough ago he may have retired.

Anyway, Ferguson/Chambers and TBuck/Vincent are the two best examples of GB not trusting Badgers and refusing to see the plainly better choice.

Rant away, Bretsky. Everyone has to have their pet rant.

I have to keep dropping mine because they become so obviously wrong.

e.g. The Sexon trade: Hated it. Wasn't going to watch that stupid oft-injured Jenning after they gave up the one guy that had played every inning of every game. Ended up being the best thing that ever happened to Milwaukee Brewers.

Aaron Rodgers looks like he might become my next backpeddle.

[Noodle]

Bretsky, I don't know what you enjoy more: ranting about the Fergy/Chambers mistake, or reminding me of which side I took in that debate. Somehow, I think they are connected.

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, I don't know what you enjoy more: ranting about the Fergy/Chambers mistake, or reminding me of which side I took in that debate. Somehow, I think they are connected.

I enjoy ranting about it much more; I dedicated an entire thread once as to why this was the worst draft choice in Packer history and as a basis for my argument used a lot of scout views on how many teams would have taken Mandarich over Sanders, and many thought Reynolds over Morgan was very understandable given GB's needs. But the anti Badger Chambers neglect was unsupportable and inexcusable.

I argued about many with this and have a somewhat photographic memory about who they are. Have great respect for you in that you came out and admitted it.


Cheers,
B

[mraynrand]

Bretsky,

You don't get as upset over the Buckley pick? There's another case where a better Badger was available.

Ron Wolf learned his lesson with that blown #5 pick (Not that Buckley wasn't a fair nickle db - just poor value at #5) - never pick an undersized cornerback and never get into a land war in Asia.

[K-town]

Bretsky,

You don't get as upset over the Buckley pick? There's another case where a better Badger was available.

Ron Wolf learned his lesson with that blown #5 pick (Not that Buckley wasn't a fair nickle db - just poor value at #5) - never pick an undersized cornerback and never get into a land war in Asia.

And never mess with a Sicilian when Death is on the line.

Also, beware of Iocaine powder.

[Little Whiskey]

Bretsky,

You don't get as upset over the Buckley pick? There's another case where a better Badger was available.

Ron Wolf learned his lesson with that blown #5 pick (Not that Buckley wasn't a fair nickle db - just poor value at #5) - never pick an undersized cornerback and never get into a land war in Asia.

And never mess with a Sicilian when Death is on the line.

Also, beware of Iocaine powder.

you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask of the ole lone ranger and don't mess around with jim.

or like we used to say, don't piss into the wind.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm dissappointed that the Packers passed on Calhoun. I think he would have provided an offensive spark.

I'm not a homer regarding Badger backs. I never thought Michael Bennett, Anthony Davis, etc. would be special pros. Calhoun got skills.

[Merlin]

Isn't Bookman a former track star turned to football? I thought I read that somewhere, it's been awhile since I read about him.

[BF4MVP]

I'm on board with giving Fergy one last chance at love. I remember only one play from last year where I really thought Fergy had a shot at the ball. The other instances of alligator arms were way overexagerated by the folks who refuse to believe that Favre was ever at fault for a single pick. But the fact remains that he didn't come up with the spectacular type of grabs that Walker could pull off.

So sure, like everyone else, I am losing patience with the guy. Nevertheless, I'm sending him waves and waves of powerful, positive thoughts. If he's as fast as ND reports, then we really may have found a guy to go vertical in Walker's absence.

I'M OUT OF LOVE AND STILL HAVING NIGHTMARES ABOUT THE PACKERS EASIEST.........AND WORST DRAFT DAY DECISION THAT YEAR........FERGUSON OVER CHAMBERS

Only a DIE-HARD badger fan like yourself would think that was a worse decision than the hardly-ever-active Jamal Reynolds over the Pro Bowl LB Dan Morgan......

My logistics for thinking this are simple; in that draft there were 7 WR's projected to be head of the class by nearly every scout surveyed. Chambers was thought to be in the 4-7 range, but no lower.

Cleveland made the mistake of reaching for Quincy Morgan, who was in the 8-10 range............as was Ferguson.

I think Green Bay was about the only team in the NFL who would have drafted Ferguson over Chambers; the choice was so pathetically obvious it was amazing we f@cked it up. We can't even argue Ferguson was a need pick because they play the same position...........so this was an even greater mistake than Reynolds.......who a lot of scouts thought would be a very good speed rushing DE.

But that pick was for need, and many scouts thought Reynolds would excel in the NFL............not just Green Bay. Yes, Wolf supposedly had Morgan rated as the slightly better football player, but him and Shermy agreed to go for Reynolds and need. While it was clearly a mistake, I'd still argue it was nowhere near the mistake Green Bay made when screwing up what should have been the easiest no brainer of that draft.

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Fair enough..Good points, B

[Bretsky]

Bretsky,

You don't get as upset over the Buckley pick? There's another case where a better Badger was available.

Ron Wolf learned his lesson with that blown #5 pick (Not that Buckley wasn't a fair nickle db - just poor value at #5) - never pick an undersized cornerback and never get into a land war in Asia.

Actually that case was another example of Wolf undervaluing a Badger. I don't blame him as much because Buckley was Highly regarded as a proven colllege player, and Wolf openly stated if he didn't draft Buckley Bob Whitfield was his next choice so Vincent wasn't even an option.