Expiring Contracts and Guys Packers Need to Re-sign

[vince]

You talk about facts and it just slays me. They are only facts IF you adopt your belief system and opinions.

Explain this to me, o wise one - Why is it that when I talk about what I believe, I'm intolerant, unreasonable, and bring the board to new lows, and when you talk about what you believe, you are just "right"?

Talk about what you believe all you want RG. It's not about belief systems or opinions. When I disagree iwth someone, I'll say so in a straightforward way.

What this is about is how you wrongly attack other peoples' intelligence through sarcasm, exaggeration and absurdity. Your statements about them are not only offensive, they're quite simply wrong.

And apparently, you should go back and read some of Packnut's attacks on others as well as my response to them. Not only were his attacks without merit (as yours is here) the majority of his assertions behind those attacks have been proven flat out wrong. Go back and read them. Here, I'll give you the link.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=170770&highlight=#170770

Now that you've established why I'm so unreasonable and intolerant, why don't you go back to the original point I made - tell me WHY after six games, Bigby should be the "most important" priority for resigning, and that it is "unreasonable" to wait longer than 6 games? If you can't handle me poking fun at your enthusiasm to "lock up" a guy who has had 6 good (not great) games, then overlook that I guess. You make it sound like he's the next coming of Christ, when in reality, he just replaced a boneheaded idiot who didn't play like he deserved to be on an NFL roster. Bigby is OK, but there is better, and I happen to believe more deserving players on the Packers for an extension/resigning.

I think my comparison to Marcus Anderson is spot on. That guy played lights out his rookie season and was an abject disaster after that. If you can't see that and look past an exaggeration, then friend, you've got other issues. Perhaps you should look at them, instead of preaching to me how I should act, talk and believe.

Thanks for your concern RG, but I have no issues. Your mischaracterization of my position by insinuating that I'd advocate signing a flash in the pan for 15 years was wrong and offensive. If you believe others are more deserving to be re-signed, then say who they are. Don't make up shit about someone else's post as a dishonest attack. When you do that to me, I take issue with it. Pretty simple.

[Guiness]

Vince - don't feed the trolls. Please.

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As to the mod duties - you ought to see that you refuted your own point however I guess you're not that bright. Your assumption that my "job" is to get along with you and others is shortsighted. I have no agreement/expectation with MTP or ANYONE that I have to "bury" or "overlook" how I feel. Should I? Some say so, and some say no. Whatever.

You have no clue what we do here, and why we do it. Quite honestly, why I am a mod, and why I stay one, is because I don't want to read "viagra" ads everytime I turn around. That's my focus and always has been.

There has been what?, 2 people banned permanently since we've been here. It's not a focus. Me getting along with you, IS NOT A FOCUS. Me being "NICE" to you, IS NOT A FOCUS. Keeping spam out of here, keeping stuff in the correct forum so it's organized, and assisting MTP in keeping this thing up and running is what we all do.

you want to judge me? Fine. Go right ahead. Throwing my mod "duties" in my face just proves you are either stupid or desperate. It's just another "duck" and "dodge" vince.

Quite honestly, you aren't deserving of either the avatar or the name. The real vince is quite probably rolling over in his grave, that such an unarmed communicator is impersonating him.

Man I completely agree w/ vince. I recommended you to MTP and you have been an ass. Bretsky doesn't fuel fires, MTP doesn't fuel fires, 007 doesn't fuel fires, etc. There is a right way and a wrong way to handle yourself. I'll leave it at that.

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As to Bigby being resigned, I think he and Corey Williams should be the first priorities. Both will get pretty good money on the open market, and it would be best suited to pay them both. I wouldn't throw a ton at Bigby, but I would hope he would sign for slightly less by getting it in advance before an injury could ruin his shot at making the big bucks. I think he'll get slightly more than what Manual got from us, and thats fine. If he ends up being a career backup, then there isn't too much harm done in cutting him.

I say get 'em both done ASAP and give them generous bonuses out of the remainder of our cap this year.

[RashanGary]

Vince - don't feed the trolls. Please.

I second this. Don't let one guy get to you like that. It's just not worth it. You're a great poster here. A lot of people respect you (I've been told so in the sense that I should be more like you )

[GBRulz]

RG, remind me again how you ever got the name "kool-aid" rat?

[GBRulz]

Re: Expiring Contracts and Guys Packers Need to Re-sign

Also in their last year, but should be able to be re-signed for cheap or easily replaced IMO with existing depth, through draft or free agency:
Colin Cole, Vernand Morency, Frank Walker, Rob Davis, Tracey White, Ruvell Martin, John Kuhn, Ryan Grant, Tyson Walter, Torey Humphrey, Noah Herron, and Tony Palmer

Of your list, I think (hope) we hang on to R Martin. That guy may have a small part in our offense, but all the guy does is catch everything thrown at him. I think he has some decent potential and would like to see him stick around.

[MJZiggy]

Re: Expiring Contracts and Guys Packers Need to Re-sign

Also in their last year, but should be able to be re-signed for cheap or easily replaced IMO with existing depth, through draft or free agency:
Colin Cole, Vernand Morency, Frank Walker, Rob Davis, Tracey White, Ruvell Martin, John Kuhn, Ryan Grant, Tyson Walter, Torey Humphrey, Noah Herron, and Tony Palmer

Of your list, I think (hope) we hang on to R Martin. That guy may have a small part in our offense, but all the guy does is catch everything thrown at him. I think he has some decent potential and would like to see him stick around.

I can totally agree with that. He was one of the ones I was rooting for when we got him and I still am.

[RashanGary]

I'd rather have a #5 WR who can play ST's. Martin is a below average WR with no ST skills.

A #5 WR has to either have some upside that you like or play mad ST's. Martin does neither. I would guess this is his last year in GB because after Driver, Jennings, Jones and Robinson, I think it's going to be easy to find one guy better than Martin.

Ruvell Martin and Colin Cole are two guys that we appreciated after the likes of Cleditus Hunt and Antonio Chatman, but I think the Packers are really close to outgrowing below average talent like these two.

[vince]

While I think Bigby's the real deal and is having a Pro Bowl season thus far, and I think re-signing him should be a priority, he has basically no leverage. He's an exclusive rights free agent at the end of the year, so he either signs with the Packers or sits out. He can't shop his services until the end of his next contract. That said, I'd like to see him locked up for 3 or 4 years. I think he's the most assignment-sure, fundamentally sound, talented and forceful of all the safeties on the roster right now, and without him, there are alot more question marks back there than there are with him back there.

And Guiness, et al. your point is noted. Thanks for bringing this back on track.

[retailguy]

Well vince,

If he's exclusive rights, then why should he be top priority? If he's got no leverage, he's got no leverage...

Bigby has played well for SIX games. Anderson played well for an entire season in relief of someone being injured. At that point, he looked like a GREAT pick. Doesn't look so great now. I think Thompson needs to wait, use the exclusive rights tag to get another "basically trial deal" and THEN give him a long term "top priority" extension.

because, really, right now, Bigby could be exactly what you say Anderson was - a flash in the pan.

as to the whole packnut thing, I got it now. A "tit for a tat" is just fine, as long as you come down on the side of Vince's opinion. It's pretty clear... and pretty sad.

[RashanGary]

With that in mind, I would say let Bigby play this year and next year. He'll be an RFA after next year. That would be a good time to lock him up with a good, fair deal (similar to the way we dealt with Jenkins). There is really no benefit in ripping a player off by signing him too early. It just turns ugly eventually.

Corey Williams is going to be an UFA. The longer we wait, the more his price is going to be driven up. Might as well just get him now for a Jenkins type contract (if he's willing).

Donald Lee is another guy that would be nice to lock up a little early. He seems good enough to keep around.

[retailguy]

With that in mind, I would say let Bigby play this year and next year. He'll be an RFA after next year. That would be a good time to lock him up with a good, fair deal (similar to the way we dealt with Jenkins). There is really no benefit in ripping a player off by signing him too early. It just turns ugly eventually.

I can't believe I'm about to say this but - EXACTLY. Lock him up in 2009 when he's RFA and he's played lights out for two seasons.

Now that I've agreed with you, kiss your family because the earth is about to spin off it's axis.

Eerily, I even agree about signing too early. It does blow up in your face. There is no reason that the Packers can't pay fair market, for BOTH existing players and Free Agents. I happen to believe that Kampman is underpaid. The saving grace is, most likely, that guy is so much a consumate pro, he'll probably never bitch about it.

[RashanGary]

Just signing a good, fair restricted type deal is good enough. Restricted FA's will never get the kind of dough that unrestricted guys get, but it will be enough where it won't blow up like signing Bigby now likely would.

Barnett has a 6 year deal. In about 3 years, I have a feeling he's going to look incredibly cheap. Jenkins looks cheap already and so does Kamp. It's not so cheap that it's insulting though.

I like the way Thompson is doing things. It's just on the edge of insulting, and if it crosses the line he gets it fixed. NE has sort of balanced on that tight wire for the last few years. They always have a lot of underpaid guys. In order to have more talent with the same $$, you have to be getting a bargain somewhere. It just can't be so bad that it makes for uprisings.

[retailguy]

I like the way Thompson is doing things. It's just on the edge of insulting, and if it crosses the line he gets it fixed. NE has sort of balanced on that tight wire for the last few years. They always have a lot of underpaid guys. In order to have more talent with the same $$, you have to be getting a bargain somewhere. It just can't be so bad that it makes for uprisings.

Well, I agree that is what he appears to be doing, I'm not so sure I'm as "fond" of it as you are. I think that perspective affects you in Free Agency, and probably did this season.

I don't think he should give away the farm, but I think the "perspective" that he's being fair, and not cheap is important too. One day, and I thought that was THIS SEASON, we'll need a few UFA's and it'd be nice if they thought old Ted would be "more" than fair in negotiations.