The Silver Haired Teddy Bear Deserves A Snuggle

[son of a vic]

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I would FIRE TT in a NY minute and confidently hire any number of people even here on this Forum to replace him.

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Now I understand where you are coming from Merlin. You actually think you know more about talent evaluation and running a pro football franchise than Ted Thompson does?. Your comment about having a Packer Rat running the team shows whatever common sense you once might have had, has been replaced by dillusion and total fantasy.

Son of a vic, did you mean Woody?

Yes, it is kind of scary to think that Woody could actually be a stock holder.

Yeah, I messed up, but I'm pretty sure Merlin would back up Woody on this point.
Don't get me going on the whole "stockholder" thing. A worthless piece of paper that means absolutely nothing.

[son of a vic]

Question for Merlin, " What is needed for you to put aside your hate, and be happy with the 2007 season. 10-6?, 11-5? 12-4?, 15-1?, Lombardi Trophy?" What will convince you that this is a pretty good team?

I will wait in earnest for your rational response.

I suspect it doesn't matter how the Packers do. If TT had spent all the cap money on a couple of big name FAs, thereby 'doing his job' in his eyes, he would be happy.

First of all let's put aside a few misnomers:

1) I do not HATE Ted Thompson. I HATE the way he is not giving us any depth, a chance to run the ball, veteran depth and entering the past two seasons with money in his pocket that could have gone to HELPING this team in these areas. Youth is all fine and good and it's great we have some good young talent on this team. BUT, outside of the starters and the defensive line, there is zero depth on this team. Maybe now at WR since Robinson returned but that remains to be seen.

2) Can anyone show me where I said we weren't a pretty good team? I believe our defense has not been playing up to it's full potential although the past two weeks they have stepped up when they needed to, I believe our offense is waiting for the wheels to fall off the bus because we cannot run the ball effectively enough to control the clock and put teams away. Does that mean they aren't pretty good? No, it means the team has some legitimate concerns that are were not being addressed by Thompson, the very person everyone is calling a mastermind for a 7-1 start. I think we have just enough good players to be good this season, I think we have had (and will have) enough breaks go our way (a large part of successful seasons for teams not blowing people out) for us to be successful. Not to take everything into consideration before crowning Ted Thompson the second coming of Christ is definitely blind faith.

3) I am happy we are 7-1, I look forward to being in the playoffs and making a run at it. That doesn't mean that I am not concerned about Ted Thompson's missteps the past THREE YEARS that are our glaring weaknesses that he has not addressed. If and when he decides to actually TRY and produce a running game, provides real VETERAN depth and uses everything at his disposal to help this team win (i.e. all of the cap money for the season) then I will change my tune. Even if he brings in some players that don't work out. He isn't even doing that, not giving anyone a shot a running back but Grant, offensive guard accept the players we have. It is those very things that Ted Thompson appeasers forget when they go giving him the keys to the world.

Face it, this team is 7-1 because of the play of #4, the timely defensive turnovers and the breaks that have gone our way. It isn't because we are dominating every one like the Patriots, Cowboys, Colts and now apparently the Steelers. There are only two games remaining on our schedule that any true Packer Fan should think are a lock, Oakland and St Louis. Other then that the other 6 games are all games we could lose and finish 9-7. If we were a great team with plenty of depth, a rushing attack, a consistent shutdown defense then I am sure none of you would ever question us winning any of our remaining games. BUT, a lot of people are questioning if we can and those very same people are praising Ted Thompson for where we are at but not asking themselves WHY they have concerns about the remaining schedule. Are we a pretty good team? Hell yeah, are we a great team? Hell no. Why not? When you can answer that and not involved Ted Thompson's decision making let me know.

Nice end around Merlin, but you didn't answer my question. What is the outcome of this season that will satisfy you?

We don't need six paragraphs, just a record, and how far into the play-offs.

[Scott Campbell]

Looks like Ted may have done ok by giving up that 6th round pick.

[3irty1]

TT is starting to remind me of Doug Melvin. To an extent I think he won the lottery with some of his guys but power to him. I'd rather be lucky than good. He's brought in real, contributing, talent in unlikely places. (such as the Giants roster) This team is getting better every single week!!!

[cpk1994]

I think admitting they were wrong about TT would be too big a blow to their egos.

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner. Bitching about TT is the only reason for their existence here.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Wow. I can't believe the posts I read from Woodbuck and Merlin. You guys have to be the most miserable bastards ever.

And, Woodbuck, you have to be one of the dumbest ever. I would be embarrassed to even have thought what you wrote.

"I would FIRE TT in a NY minute and confidently hire any number of people even here on this Forum to replace him."

The bottom line is this. The top guy gets the credit and the blame for EVERYTHING. To say that the success of this team doesn't reflect on TT is ludicrous. This is HIS team. Regardless of players that he inherited. Those players could have been cut or traded. Those are decisions that TT made. If MM installs the offense and defense that is a winner, then it is certainly TT's success as he hired him. And, let's not forget how many fans were against the MM hiring. TT took a bunch of heat for that. Now, you wanna just give the credit to MM? Laughable.

TT could have traded Favre. He could have cut good players that he didn't like, didn't feel could adapt, etc. Those are decisions HE made. And, deciding not to do something is a decision as much as deciding to do something.

Oh, and for you two, the last time we had a poor running game...that would be under Ron Wolf in Holmgren's early years. We ran probably worse then when it seemed all we had was Favre to Sharpe. But, like most rational/sane fans we had a sense that things were on the upswing. That this team was being built, that there was a plan. That is the same feeling that any normal, rational fan has now. Are we perfect, of course not. But, I watch this team and the moves TT has made and I can plainly see that TT has a philosophy and methodology..and as my mom and TT say, the proof is in the pudding. This team has shown constant growth.

Woody and Merlin, the time is now for you to gracefully acknowledge that TT has turned this team around in a much quicker time frame than anyone expected.

It is sad when tyrone has to tell you two to stop hitting the pipe.

[Partial]

One thing that I think TT has identified very well is what the fine line between good enough to have success and not good enough to have success. Our offensive line is good in pass blocking, and appears to be good enough run blocking for our backs to keep a defense honest. With Favre at the helm, thats really all you need. Take the early Favre years, for example.

I don't think any spot on the team is bad. I think some are weaker than others, but I think every position has players you can win with if you have play makers surrounding them. With Jennings arriving, the Silver Fox chucking the rock, and Kampman, Al, Chuck and Barnett anchoring the #2 scoring defense in the league, it seems they can get by with just good enough at a few positions.

[VegasPackFan]

Sometimes people back themselves into a corner by arguing a point so vociferously that they cannot reverse themselves. That is what we have here. They will bob and weave around all logic to keep their stance instead of swallowing their pride and just admitting their error.

Fact is that we have turned the corner and it is no longer a question of "we'll see in a few years what TT can do". He has built a strong team WITHOUT plugging in the short-term aging FA's that make you look good for one year and then who knows what you have the next. These players are young and this team is only going up.

[Zool]

Sometimes people back themselves into a corner by arguing a point so vociferously that they cannot reverse themselves. That is what we have here. They will bob and weave around all logic to keep their stance instead of swallowing their pride and just admitting their error.

Fact is that we have turned the corner and it is no longer a question of "we'll see in a few years what TT can do". He has built a strong team WITHOUT plugging in the short-term aging FA's that make you look good for one year and then who knows what you have the next. These players are young and this team is only going up.

You had me at "vociferously".

[SkinBasket]

Never let reality interfere with your logic my friend, you are the ruler of your world.

Once again, you unintentionally provide some of the best humor here. You've said a lot of stupid things over the course of this season, but you always find a way to go even deeper into the stark depths of cluelessness to pull out another gem like this.

When I picture Merlin, I see a blind man continuously running into a brick wall, cursing the daylights out of the wall, calling it blind and stupid, then proceeding to walk right back into the same wall and repeating the process until he's unconscious.

[Zool]

Never let reality interfere with your logic my friend, you are the ruler of your world.

Once again, you unintentionally provide some of the best humor here. You've said a lot of stupid things over the course of this season, but you always find a way to go even deeper into the stark depths of cluelessness to pull out another gem like this.

When I picture Merlin, I see a blind man continuously running into a brick wall, cursing the daylights out of the wall, calling it blind and stupid, then proceeding to walk right back into the same wall and repeating the process until he's unconscious.

Sounds like my typical Thursday.

[SkinBasket]

A Barry Sanders couldn't run behind our OL. it is primarily adequate in pass protection alone.

So I guess Grant is better than Barry Sanders? Right BANG on!


Now if we could only determine who was responsible for bringing such a wonderful talent to Green Bay we could all give him the accolades he deserves!

[woodbuck27]

I think admitting they were wrong about TT would be too big a blow to their egos.

Scott this has nothing to do with my eGO but rather just the way I perceive Ted Thompson as a lame ass GM that we need to carefully assess.

As surprized as YOU may be towords my position on him exactly reflects my feelings regarding all YOU who are so blindly adoring of him.

i follow a lot of sports and have for longer than you've lived man and TT is a few bricks short of the full load I expect our GM to pull to get us all the way to the Super Bowl.

He has a hard head and not ready to pull the trigger when the time is obvious.

See Randy Moss and T.O.

See Marshawn Lynch!! How's he looking in BUFFALO?
Was he even on TT's radar screen?

See the weakness in our ZBS.

How are we looking at the safety spot and at CB for our future with Al Harris and Charles Woodson aging; and the likes of Will Blackmon and J Bush** not appearing to be an answer due to his constant bouts with injury.\ and ** his sloppy play.

Are we looking great at FB and TE? robert Lee has shown us more but is it enough for our offense?


lots of questions that TT has to address not YOU or I and this is a GM that selected a DT this season in the first round where we are obbviously NOT in need.

How are the other DT's doing that went in last April's Draft Scott?

GO PACK GO !

I do like Ryan Grant at RB but when will TT let gp of Morency?

[mraynrand]

Never let reality interfere with your logic my friend, you are the ruler of your world.

Once again, you unintentionally provide some of the best humor here. You've said a lot of stupid things over the course of this season, but you always find a way to go even deeper into the stark depths of cluelessness to pull out another gem like this.

When I picture Merlin, I see a blind man continuously running into a brick wall, cursing the daylights out of the wall, calling it blind and stupid, then proceeding to walk right back into the same wall and repeating the process until he's unconscious.

You sure it wasn't a 2007 Chevy Malibu? Word is they are very easy to overlook.

[Merlin]

Nice end around Merlin, but you didn't answer my question. What is the outcome of this season that will satisfy you?

We don't need six paragraphs, just a record, and how far into the play-offs.

When he makes a positive impact on the items I have been talking about for 3 years. For some of us, it's not all about the record. Just because that is your only measure of success doesn't mean it's the same for all of us. According to your yard stick, Sherman was a great GM, right?

And I don't need your constant failure to comprehend what is said. If you don't understand the concept, ask someone to explain it to you.