Just for fun

[b bulldog]

LEAPER, i HAD sIMS AND rOCKY AS THE 2 BEST lb'S IN THEIR CLASS, Ryans would be 3 and Hawk or Greenway would be 4 and the other would be 5. The top 3 are clearly better than the other 2 at this point, no room to argue that and if you disagree, your football IQ may need to be checked. Hawk is great, makes one pic and gets one passed defensed and now he is an allpro caliber player, wink, wink

[b bulldog]

On the positive side, Hawk started slowly last year and turned it on during the second half of the season and maybe he is turning the corner and will do the same this year.

[The Leaper]

LEAPER, i HAD sIMS AND rOCKY AS THE 2 BEST lb'S IN THEIR CLASS, Ryans would be 3 and Hawk or Greenway would be 4 and the other would be 5. The top 3 are clearly better than the other 2 at this point, no room to argue that and if you disagree, your football IQ may need to be checked. Hawk is great, makes one pic and gets one passed defensed and now he is an allpro caliber player, wink, wink

Again bulldog...HOW SO?

How is Sims a better LB when he produces no turnovers? It would be nice to see him even get ONE pic or pass defensed before you claim he is better than Hawk. He doesn't.

Back up your shit, or admit that you are clueless. Just pointing to McGinn's column and saying "look, someone agrees" is hardly proof that you are right. Sims has ONE INT and ONE SACK in a year and a half. How is that elite? How is that better than Hawk? Explain.

[The Leaper]

Leaper, I don't have any idea what you are talking about. I have never mentioned Hawk, I was just talking about Lenon. And I can't tell whether you are refering to McGinn or Me. Why, its chaos, out of control.

I wasn't really replying to you Harlan...just wanted to give your post a repeat I guess.

[The Leaper]

Guess it is hard to compare SSLB to MLB. I have heard that Lenon is doing really well for Lions (from TV analysts), don't know for sure myself.

He is...because he is protected by one of the biggest DLs in football. Lenon is assignment sure and reliable, but isn't very big and can get pushed around very easily by blockers if they get to him. He's a good fit in Detroit behind that huge DL.

[b bulldog]

leaper, Sims has one forced fumble,one pic this year and 1 sack!!!!! I count that as 2 turnovers and a hell of a lot more tackles, Who is clueless We'll see at years end when Sims is in Hawaii and Hawk is in his sleep tent in his bedroom. Yeah, Hawk is better than Sims, Ryans and Rocky Take your Hawk colored glasses off please.

[The Leaper]

leaper, Sims has one forced fumble,one pic this year and 1 sack!!!!! I count that as 2 turnovers and a hell of a lot more tackles, Who is clueless

So what did he do last year? Hawk was clearly better than Sims last year.

Tackles are overrated. Where did the tackles happen? 10 yards down field? How many times have teams run on Detroit compared to Green Bay? Anyone who gets close to 100 tackles is going a damn good job regardless in my book. Unless Sims gets 3-4 more tackles a game and puts up Ray Lewis type tackle numbers, I don't see how a tackle here or there makes Sims better. The Lions use him as a centerpiece...the Packers don't use Hawk as a centerpiece. Refusing to look at all of the factors...merely reducing it to a couple black and white numbers...isn't a good analysis IMO.

Hawk also has an INT and a forced fumble this year, BTW

[b bulldog]

I know he does but he has 0 sacks and much less tackles and no TFL's. I'm done, the facts won't change your mind so no use of going on with this. Sims will be a probowler before Hawk, enough said.

[HarveyWallbangers]

LEAPER, i HAD sIMS AND rOCKY AS THE 2 BEST lb'S IN THEIR CLASS, Ryans would be 3 and Hawk or Greenway would be 4 and the other would be 5.

Laughable.

Hawk was as good as Ryans last year, and WAY better than Sims. I'll see where Ryans and his defense and Sims and his defense are at at the end of this defense--compared to Hawk and his defense. I know Sims isn't the player Hawk is. Ryans may be. McIntosh is going to be a good one. Greenway isn't in the conversation yet.

I hope you had your fun. Ready for a Buckeye beatdown again? I know, you want it to happen--because getting rid of Carr will cure all of Michigan's ills.

[b bulldog]

Didn't getting rid of your last coach cure most of O St's

[b bulldog]

Laughable is correct, your crimson and gray colored glasses clouds your vision. Sims is much better than Hawk along with Ryans and Rocky. Greenway and Hawk are pretty close. Both players don't stand out when watching them play but they usually don't make the big mistake also. Hey Harv, we'll see what LB from this crop goes to Hawaii first and we can leave it at that

[The Leaper]

Sims will be a probowler before Hawk, enough said.

Again, proof of nothing.

Charles Woodson wasn't a Pro Bowler last year even though he deserved it.

[RashanGary]

I like Willis better than any of the young bunch. After that, Hawk is right there with the best of them. He's playing the 8th best scoring defense (probably top 6 after this week) and playing at a very high level.

Tom Brady wasn't putting up monster stats his first few years, he was just doing a great job within the system and winning games yet you never once laid into him for not putting up the numbers of Manning, Culpepper or Palmer.

Hawk is doing a damn fine job. Is it showing up in the box score? Not really, but it's showing up on the score board and that is all we care about. He almost never makes mistakes and he makes his team mates better. He's a winner and one of the best parts of one of the NFL's best defenses.

[b bulldog]

gOOD POINT nICK BUT i NEVER STATED THAT bRADY WAS THE BEST offensive player in that draft or that he is the most NFL ready or that he will be a probowler for the next 10 years or that some NFL personel men thought he was average at best at that moment, can't compare the two at all. Brady was a late round pick, Hawk was 5th overall. I like Beason better than Willis, the LB's from the U are just plain awesome.

[b bulldog]

bRADY HAS DONE WAY MORE THAN ENOUGH to even have to ay anything about him. You said ealier this year that if Brady gets another ring you will give him all the props he deserves,.....