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    Notes: Wynn disputes IR move
    He wants second opinion on injury
    By TOM SILVERSTEIN
    tsilverstein@journalsentinel.com
    Posted: Nov. 8, 2007
    Green Bay - Rookie running back DeShawn Wynn said he thinks the nerve injury in his neck and shoulder isn't serious enough for the Green Bay Packers to have put him on injured reserve, but there's not much he can do about it.

    Wynn said he disagreed with the doctor's assessment that it would take him until late in the season to recover from the injury, and felt like he could play even as early as this weekend or the next. Wynn plans to get a second opinion on the injury, which the club must pay for under the collective bargaining agreement.

    "I didn't feel like it (was season-ending), but I'm no doctor," Wynn said Thursday. "We have such a good year going and when you start it you want to be a part of it until the end. But you have to take it like it is."

    Wynn was injured on his only carry of the game against the Denver Broncos on Oct. 29 and did not return. His backup, Ryan Grant, took over and gained 104 yards in 22 carries, prompting coach Mike McCarthy to declare him the starter immediately after the game.

    Given Wynn had gone through a series of conditions that kept him off the field, including illness, cramps, thigh and hand injuries, it's logical to think the Packers decided to shut him down and let him work on strengthening his body for next season. Wynn has been attending meetings regularly and is being encouraged to hit the weights as soon as he's healthy.

    Asked if he thought the Packers sidelined him because of his many ailments, Wynn said, "You play with injuries, a lot of people in here play with injuries. I don't know."

    As a result of landing on injured reserve, Wynn must take a reduced salary for the final nine weeks of the season.

    A seventh-round pick, Wynn was forced to accept split salaries in the first two years of the contract, which means if he gets hurt he would receive two-thirds of his base salary.

    In this case, his salary will drop from $285,000 to $190,000 during the time that he is on injured reserve. Wynn could file a grievance if he feels the Packers put him on injured reserve prematurely, but it would be for his outright release and not to get his full salary.


    Status quo
    McCarthy said that he had one-on-one discussions with the guards who are involved in an open competition this week to let them know he's not pleased with their play.

    "This is something that has been going on for a couple weeks," McCarthy said.

    In practice, McCarthy had Junius Coston, Jason Spitz and Daryn Colledge split snaps at the two guard positions for a second straight day. Coston practiced well, according to offensive coordinator Joe Philbin, but McCarthy said his injured ankle wore down at the end of the workout and his status this week was still up in the air.

    McCarthy said he would know more about Coston today. As for the starters, McCarthy will make a decision after he views all the practice tape.


    High regard
    Minnesota nose tackle Pat Williams has been a parked double-wide in the Packers' rushing lanes each of the last three games, and the coaches have taken time to address their inability to block him.

    The Packers aren't alone in not being able to run against the Vikings, who rank No. 2 in the league in the run and have one of the top two tackle tandems in the NFL with Pat and Kevin Williams.

    "We've sat down as a staff and watched every run we've run against those guys in the three games since coach McCarthy came here," Philbin said.

    "Pat has been a disruptive player. We've addressed it and taken it into account in our scheme and obviously notified our players of our concern of what he's done on the field. And Kevin Williams, obviously, is a heck of a player, too."

    Road to recovery
    Cornerback Will Blackmon ran on the sideline during practice, but it's still uncertain whether he'll return this season.
    Blackmon, who broke his foot in practice five weeks ago, is able to put increased pressure on the foot each week, but before he's cleared to practice medical tests will have to show that he can hold up under the strain.

    "He's better this week than he was last week and that's all you can hope for," McCarthy said. "As long as he's making progress we'll keep moving forward. We scanned it Tuesday and he made progress. A lot of it has to do with how he feels."


    Short yardage
    The Packers added receiver Koren Robinson to the injury report with a sore knee, but he took part in a limited portion of practice.
    Vikings receiver Sydney Rice (hamstring) did not practice after having limited participation Wednesday.
    Safety Aaron Rouse took part in most of the full pads practice after being sitting out most of it the day before.
    Defensive tackle Corey Williams (knee) appeared close to full strength.
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    It is interesting to note that they shut Wynn down as fast as Roger Goodell destroyed the Spygate evidence, which makes it seem somewhat fishy. Also, you have Blackmon with a much more severe injury who has not been IR'd in 5 weeks. It makes you wonder what the reasoning is behind both. Seems on the surface they should have IR'd Blackmon and tried to rehab Wynn. Perhaps this was kind of a final straw this year for Wynn. Funny that Wynn said something like, "you play through injuries"...um, really? Because it seems like you were out of the line-up every other series due to injury. We're not saying you're not tough, we're just saying...
    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Carolina_Packer
      It is interesting to note that they shut Wynn down as fast as Roger Goodell destroyed the Spygate evidence, which makes it seem somewhat fishy. Also, you have Blackmon with a much more severe injury who has not been IR'd in 5 weeks. It makes you wonder what the reasoning is behind both. Seems on the surface they should have IR'd Blackmon and tried to rehab Wynn. Perhaps this was kind of a final straw this year for Wynn. Funny that Wynn said something like, "you play through injuries"...um, really? Because it seems like you were out of the line-up every other series due to injury. We're not saying you're not tough, we're just saying...
      Some in here noted they could have been frustrated with Wynn's lack of toughness and attitude and this may have been a message as well.
      TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bretsky
        Some in here noted they could have been frustrated with Wynn's lack of toughness and attitude and this may have been a message as well.
        These are smug people who know nothing about Wynn's toughness, much less about his attitude. Wynn came in with a bad reputation from college, which gave those who enjoy this sort of thing an excuse to pounce.

        Wynn did not miss playing time with injuries he could have played with. He made a good effort to play the last preseason game with no practice and earn a job. And if you look at the other running backs, they have been injured regularly also.

        (Many, although not all, of the people dogging Wynn said that Randy Moss was sure to be a cancer this season. Different issue, familiar smugness.)

        Given Wynn had gone through a series of conditions that kept him off the field, including illness, cramps, thigh and hand injuries, it's logical to think the Packers decided to shut him down and let him work on strengthening his body for next season.
        I can believe he was not ready to play in the NFL, like Justin HArrell. The virus that kept him out last summer is NOTHING he can control, that was his primary "injury". The cramps - I think that was related to poor conditioning. The other minor injuries are just the usual minor setbacks all the backs have.

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        • #5
          Nevertheless, Harlan, Wynn is in the same doghouse now as he was most of his time in college.

          I suspect it's all about the money...which means it's all about Wynn. I don't think the word "Team" is in his vocabulary. Just my opinion.
          One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
          John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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          • #6
            HH, I am on record with you as being a Wynn-guy, so "United we stand"!

            I am not as vocal as you, cause you're doing such a great job without me!!

            We're gonna look plenty sheepish if the guy is a bust, though.

            On the other hand, only two people outside his immediate family will be able to claim "They knew it all along" when he is inducted.

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            • #7
              I'm not off the Wynn Wagon yet, Tar. I'm hoping this little adventure pisses him off to the point that he gets himself in killer condition and blows everyone's expectations right out of the water.
              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                Nevertheless, Harlan, Wynn is in the same doghouse now as he was most of his time in college.
                McCarthy went out of his way to say Wynn did a good job, and he is NOT in any doghouse. Maybe its BS, but why assume the worst?

                Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                I don't think the word "Team" is in his vocabulary.
                I've only read postive things about him. There is no evidence to suggest he had a bad attitude.

                This is not Walter Payton we're dealing with here, this is a 7th round draft pick. If he had a bad attitude, the Packers would just cut him loose.

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                • #9
                  I like Wynns talent. I thikn it's very possible that he can grow up and be a harder worker than he was in college "allegedly".


                  I'm going to see how the off season goes. If we read about Wynn "transforming" his body in the off season, I'll start to get my hopes up.

                  Right now he's a talented player who hasn't reached his potential. We'll see how it develops. I really hope he pans out because I think him reaching his potential can go a long way toward giving ARod a happy beginning to his career.

                  Jennings, Jones, a TE, an Oline in it's prime and a RB. That's what I hope Rodgers gets. I know it's a lot, but I think young QB's need that to build confidence (like big ben)
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                    Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                    Nevertheless, Harlan, Wynn is in the same doghouse now as he was most of his time in college.
                    McCarthy went out of his way to say Wynn did a good job, and he is NOT in any doghouse. Maybe its BS, but why assume the worst?

                    Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                    I don't think the word "Team" is in his vocabulary.
                    I've only read postive things about him. There is no evidence to suggest he had a bad attitude.

                    This is not Walter Payton we're dealing with here, this is a 7th round draft pick. If he had a bad attitude, the Packers would just cut him loose.
                    Yup, I don't really know, so I shouldn't speculate. I'm just going on his history with the Gators. And his history there wasn't that of the consummate team player like, say, Ryan Grant's was at Notre Dame.
                    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tarlam!
                      We're gonna look plenty sheepish if the guy is a bust, though.
                      A couple months ago, there was a thread that listed (thanks to my infallible memory ) all the running backs in Green Bay the last 30 years. It was a to see how many wannabees have passed through Lambeau. Names that were once so familar and promising. "Chris Darkins" - he's fast, gonna be good. "Jessie Clark". On and on.

                      Almost every running back is a dud. They last about 2 or 3 years in the league. Grant, Morency, Wynn, Jackson are all likely going to be nothings. For every Dorsey Levens, you get about 10 Darrell Thompsons. . That's my cheery thought for today.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                        Yup, I don't really know, so I shouldn't speculate. I'm just going on his history with the Gators. And his history there wasn't that of the consummate team player like, say, Ryan Grant's was at Notre Dame.
                        Well, Ryan Grant has a better chance of having a good attitude and being successful because of his college track record. (that's why he is a 6th round rather than 7th. )

                        I just believe in giving players a fresh start, and not assuming anything without evidence. Seems to have worked with Randy Moss

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                        • #13
                          I am not all that surprised. They shut down Herron when his injury was no where near as badn as Morency's. I believe Herron's was a knee scope and out for 3 weeks and Morency missed 6-8 weeks with a patella injury which he is still hampered by.

                          Maybe this is just a sign of things to come for the Packers. Maybe they are looking towards next season and bringing in other talent to look at during the regular season. Besides Grant though, I don't think we have signed another RB have we? The Wynn move doesn't make any sense with Jackson being banged up and not playing very well and Morency being banged up.
                          "Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                            Almost every running back is a dud. They last about 2 or 3 years in the league. Grant, Morency, Wynn, Jackson are all likely going to be nothings. For every Dorsey Levens, you get about 10 Darrell Thompsons. . That's my cheery thought for today.
                            Well we have 4 Darrell Thompsons on the roster now, plus a few others reciently (Gado, Fischer, Davenport, etc), so we should be due for a Levens pretty soon.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                              Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                              Yup, I don't really know, so I shouldn't speculate. I'm just going on his history with the Gators. And his history there wasn't that of the consummate team player like, say, Ryan Grant's was at Notre Dame.
                              Well, Ryan Grant has a better chance of having a good attitude and being successful because of his college track record. (that's why he is a 6th round rather than 7th. )

                              I just believe in giving players a fresh start, and not assuming anything without evidence. Seems to have worked with Randy Moss
                              Moss and TO are cut from the same cloth. As long as they're winning and getting the ball, no problem. If that changes, watch out. They just happen to be on teams where it might not change to much.
                              One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                              John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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