Pre-emptive Strike

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I don't think Devine can be a feature back anymore. It is just coming out about his true height. Some scouts and his coaches knew. Most fans didn't. He will likely fall somewhere between Gary Coleman and Barry Sanders. Probably pretty similiar to a MJD. I'd love to pick him up in a few years and have him be a Packer provided he stays outta trouble.

He's a stud, though. Amazing balance and ability to run through people.

McFadden is a very good prospect but Adrian Peterson is the rare LeBron James type that everyone knew would be great since HS. He was a 5 star recruit and the best RB in his class. McFadden can't make the same claim, and he certainly wasn't well known to the average sports fan.

He's good and would start for a lot of teams but he isn't in Petersons league in terms of power. We'll see in a few months but I see two different types of players. Rarely do I see McFadden break a tackles by a linebacker or a DL. The reason for this is their offense is play-action and trick plays. He is always running outside it seems like as well. He'll not have nearly as much success as NFL linemen and backers are much faster.

He isn't as fast as he looks. In the LSU game, Jones damn near caught him from behind and would have absolutely if he wasn't blocked.

I am not sold on his ability to run in between the tackles. He certainly is fast, but he isn't in the same class of rare talent as AD. He is also a fumbler. He put 15 balls on the ground last year, and he seems to have a knack for doing it at the worst time. He fumbled twice against LSU on crucial plays!!!!! This likely won't stop either, as like Ahman Green, he is known to consider it very uncomfortable to carry the ball in his weaker hand. He always has it in the right.

Not only that, but he is also known to be a prick off the field and has some serious questions about how he will handle millions of dollars. He has gotten in trouble in the past and jeopardized his career after injuring his foot kicking someone. Peterson is a quiet, team-first guy.

Here is a highlight video of McFadden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA

Take to note a few things:
- The distinct lack of broken tackles
- The trick-play offense
- The lack of inside runs
- The lack of runs from an i-formation that aren't a misdirection
- How lean he looks, his lower body looks horribly thin!
- How everytime he gets hit he falls down, regardless of if he is delivering the blow or not

Then, watch this one of Peterson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rJ1xDBT1jM

Peterson looks like Bo Jackson (would have been the best ever if not for injury - same concern with AD) where as McFadden looks like a poor man's Ted Ginn.

Granted they're not a very good way of judging a player, the difference in style of making plays is very evident. Peterson played in a pro-style offense and as a result was NOT running counters and misdirections play after play. He is breaking tackles in all layers of the defense, and is using much more than just his speed. McFadden is all speed in his.

Don't buy into the hype. Other than injury concerns, Peterson was the perfect prospect and the best one to come out in years. YEARS. McFadden is an 8.0, a solid first round pick, probably top 10 on potential. Peterson was a #1 without a doubt when ignoring injuries. There is a reason Mike Mayock (best draft guru out there) has McFadden as his #3 tail back and said he wouldn't touch him with a top 20 pick.

He certainly put up big numbers, but look at his playing style, his body, his inability to break tackles or run between the tackles, and you see a guy who will be like Reggie Bush. A threat for the occasional big play, but easily contained by playing ends and LBs out slightly wider.

McFadden is a 10/10 college player, but that doesn't mean he is a 10/10 pro prospect. They are two very different games. His stats are about as good as anyones, but would you pick him over any of these guys coming out of school?

Bo Jackson
OJ Simpson
Barry Sanders
Archie Griffen
Herschel Walker
Reggie Bush
Earl Campbell
Doak Walker
Jim Thorpe
Jim Brown
Tony Dorsett
Ricky Williams

You, Gabe and Chris all said the same thing about Bush. Except Bush was faster, more powerful, more elusive, and a better receiver. Bush has a thicker lower body though, and was a better prospect.

Oddly enough, McFadden kind of reminds me of Steve Slaton. A fast, quick guy who makes people take bad angles. Unfortunately, even though he is a 4.33 guy he isn't going to beat AJ Hawk, Nick Barnett, DJ Williams, etc to the edge THAT often.

Sorry if its hard to read, I jump around a lot when I write.

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McFadden is a very good prospect but Adrian Peterson is the rare LeBron James type that everyone knew would be great since HS. He was a 5 star recruit and the best RB in his class. McFadden can't make the same claim, and he certainly wasn't well known to the average sports fan.

McFadden is also the best RB in his class, Adrian Peterson was passed over by NFL Scouting departments and fell to 7th. McFadden wasn't known to the average sports fan? Its not a popularity contest and he was only a sophomore last year. He was the best college running back in the country last year too.

He's good and would start for a lot of teams but he isn't in Petersons league in terms of power. We'll see in a few months but I see two different types of players. Rarely do I see McFadden break a tackles by a linebacker or a DL. The reason for this is their offense is play-action and trick plays. He is always running outside it seems like as well. He'll not have nearly as much success as NFL linemen and backers are much faster.

Even if this were true and its all speculation, NFL teams don't do play-action and trick plays? Of course hes running to the outside, its college. Peterson did it too. I don't think you've seen him play... you said before that he doesn't take over a game like Peterson did in college... couldn't be more untrue its the other way around. McFadden WAS that offense. They lined him up everywhere and rode him all season.

He isn't as fast as he looks. In the LSU game, Jones damn near caught him from behind and would have absolutely if he wasn't blocked.

He's absolutely as fast as he looks and many say he's got more speed than AP. He certainly isn't slow. You're judging this because you think he almost got caught from behind on a long touchdown run???

I am not sold on his ability to run in between the tackles. He certainly is fast, but he isn't in the same class of rare talent as AD. He is also a fumbler. He put 15 balls on the ground last year, and he seems to have a knack for doing it at the worst time. He fumbled twice against LSU on crucial plays!!!!! This likely won't stop either, as like Ahman Green, he is known to consider it very uncomfortable to carry the ball in his weaker hand. He always has it in the right.

He fumbled twice against LSU and also rushed for over 200 yards and 3 rushing one passing TD. Not a bad day at the office upsetting the best team in the country. McFadden's fumbling is wildly exaggerated. Many of them were on special teams.

Not only that, but he is also known to be a prick off the field and has some serious questions about how he will handle millions of dollars. He has gotten in trouble in the past and jeopardized his career after injuring his foot kicking someone. Peterson is a quiet, team-first guy.

Peterson is a terrific character no doubt. But serious character questions about McFadden? Even you know that is BS. That incident was only a big deal in the media because hes a big deal.

Here is a highlight video of McFadden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA

Take to note a few things:
- The distinct lack of broken tackles
- The trick-play offense
- The lack of inside runs
- The lack of runs from an i-formation that aren't a misdirection
- How lean he looks, his lower body looks horribly thin!
- How everytime he gets hit he falls down, regardless of if he is delivering the blow or not

Then, watch this one of Peterson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rJ1xDBT1jM

Peterson looks like Bo Jackson (would have been the best ever if not for injury - same concern with AD) where as McFadden looks like a poor man's Ted Ginn.

Granted they're not a very good way of judging a player, the difference in style of making plays is very evident. Peterson played in a pro-style offense and as a result was NOT running counters and misdirections play after play. He is breaking tackles in all layers of the defense, and is using much more than just his speed. McFadden is all speed in his.

Also notice:
- How he's faster than everyone else
- Is a versatile weapon who they can line up anywhere
- How decisive he is
- How big he is for a player of this type

Also notice how great of a situation AP has always been in both with a highly talented Oklahoma team and Viking team that is built to run where Chester Taylor also dominates. Darren McFadden plays how a big fish in a small pond should play. He runs through everybody and looks like a one man offense.

Don't buy into the hype. Other than injury concerns, Peterson was the perfect prospect and the best one to come out in years. YEARS. McFadden is an 8.0, a solid first round pick, probably top 10 on potential. Peterson was a #1 without a doubt when ignoring injuries. There is a reason Mike Mayock (best draft guru out there) has McFadden as his #3 tail back and said he wouldn't touch him with a top 20 pick.

I think maybe we have different definitions of what makes a good prospect. If Peterson were the "perfect" prospect that means you couldn't improve anything. Not the case. He's purely a runner and will never be the presence that guys like LT or Westbrook can be. McFadden could be that guy. Like I've said already, I may have already lost this argument because we are judging McFadden against a player who is a rookie phenomenon and the rookie of the year. Peterson was the best prospect in years.... in retrospect. Not to NFL Scouting departments on the day of the draft. I'm guessing that the NFL general managers who are actually the "best" draft gurus are not going to pass on McFadden 20 times, or even 10 times.

He certainly put up big numbers, but look at his playing style, his body, his inability to break tackles or run between the tackles, and you see a guy who will be like Reggie Bush. A threat for the occasional big play, but easily contained by playing ends and LBs out slightly wider.

Agreed he's versatile like Bush. He's also bigger than Bush which should help him translate to the NFL. When teams look at guys like Bush and McFadden they aren't thinking that if we had this guy we could just beat everyone to the edge. They plan to run with him up the middle. This has been a problem with Bush doesn't mean it will be with McFadden.

McFadden is a 10/10 college player, but that doesn't mean he is a 10/10 pro prospect. They are two very different games. His stats are about as good as anyones, but would you pick him over any of these guys coming out of school?

Bo Jackson
OJ Simpson
Barry Sanders
Archie Griffen
Herschel Walker
Reggie Bush
Earl Campbell
Doak Walker
Jim Thorpe
Jim Brown
Tony Dorsett
Ricky Williams

You, Gabe and Chris all said the same thing about Bush. Except Bush was faster, more powerful, more elusive, and a better receiver. Bush has a thicker lower body though, and was a better prospect.

Bush was a better prospect than either of these guys. Bush was actually "The best one to come out in years." He was the second overall pick in one of the most talent packed drafts in memory. Knowing what I know now, I'd take HOF running backs over McFadden yes. I'd take most of the people on that list over Peterson too.

Oddly enough, McFadden kind of reminds me of Steve Slaton. A fast, quick guy who makes people take bad angles. Unfortunately, even though he is a 4.33 guy he isn't going to beat AJ Hawk, Nick Barnett, DJ Williams, etc to the edge THAT often.

Sorry if its hard to read, I jump around a lot when I write.

Agreed, He reminds me of Steve Slaton. Only Slaton is too small to be the prospect McFadden is. Like I said before, nobody in the NFL plans on running the option with McFadden in the NFL. This doesn't hurt him as a prospect at all.

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McFadden reminds you of Slaton?

Have you SEEN McFadden ... he's a man beast... he's built almost identical to AP. those guys are built like linebackers with 4.38 speed... Slaton is a tiny scat back ...

Just stop now man ... maybe you had some points, I dunno but anything I might have believed is backed up by nothing close to truth.

AP is ridiculous, im not even going to enter that argument but to compare the Big-12 to the SEC is not even close to stupid. I dont even know the right word to use!!

Auburn ?? One of the best "focus on shutting down one thing" defenses in the LAND... man ... im still laughing.

[The Leaper]

McFadden IMO is just as good a prospect as Peterson...Peterson has better running skills IMO, but McFadden is more well rounded in other areas like some have already mentioned.

[ND72]

I like Rice from Rutgers.

Problem is he has so many carries on his body already.

Same was said about Adrian Peterson

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McFadden reminds you of Slaton?

Have you SEEN McFadden ... he's a man beast... he's built almost identical to AP. those guys are built like linebackers with 4.38 speed... Slaton is a tiny scat back ...

Just stop now man ... maybe you had some points, I dunno but anything I might have believed is backed up by nothing close to truth.

AP is ridiculous, im not even going to enter that argument but to compare the Big-12 to the SEC is not even close to stupid. I dont even know the right word to use!!

Auburn ?? One of the best "focus on shutting down one thing" defenses in the LAND... man ... im still laughing.

Running style reminds me of Slaton. Watch the two.

He's not a man beast. He's rail thin below the waist.

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I dunno...

call me crazy (go ahead!), but the kid reminds me of Dickerson ...







Tebow is the greatest tho...

Why?











She could be hotter but it's hard to notice her face ...

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McFadden is also the best RB in his class, Adrian Peterson was passed over by NFL Scouting departments and fell to 7th. McFadden wasn't known to the average sports fan? Its not a popularity contest and he was only a sophomore last year. He was the best college running back in the country last year too.

So was Reggie Bush. So was Kijana Carter. That means nothing. According to some of the best draft analysts out there, they don't think he is. I take their word more than yours. No one is doubting that he is a spectacular athlete. As Bush proved, that doesn't necessarily translate to being a great football player.

Even if this were true and its all speculation, NFL teams don't do play-action and trick plays? Of course hes running to the outside, its college. Peterson did it too. I don't think you've seen him play... you said before that he doesn't take over a game like Peterson did in college... couldn't be more untrue its the other way around. McFadden WAS that offense. They lined him up everywhere and rode him all season.

You can do that when you have another back as good as Felix Jones in the backfield. While I am not high on him either, many scouts think he was the better of the two backs. McFadden won't have the same success running to the edge in the NFL because in college a guy like Nick Barnett and AJ Hawk are super fast studs. In the NFL, just about every team has a guy or two with equivalent speed.

If you notice, his runs are either nothing or big plays. That doesn't translate well to the NFL at all. He falls when getting hit. Peterson barrels over people.

He's absolutely as fast as he looks and many say he's got more speed than AP. He certainly isn't slow. You're judging this because you think he almost got caught from behind on a long touchdown run???

Fine. He's really fast. Reggie Bush was really fast too. That doesn't mean you can run between the tackles!!!! McFadden thighs make Bush look big. That says something right there.

He fumbled twice against LSU and also rushed for over 200 yards and 3 rushing one passing TD. Not a bad day at the office upsetting the best team in the country. McFadden's fumbling is wildly exaggerated. Many of them were on special teams.

Doesn't matter. You don't spend a top 5 pick on a special team player. You can have a great statistical day when they run trick play after trick play to you, but it doesn't mean shit when you fumble the game away at the key time. It shows that he cannot handle the pressure and is not michael jordan.

Peterson is a terrific character no doubt. But serious character questions about McFadden? Even you know that is BS. That incident was only a big deal in the media because hes a big deal.

I've never met him nor have you so I have no idea. I can only tell it like I hear it. There are certainly character questions surrounding his maturity. He risked a career to beat someone up. Think about that one.

Here is a highlight video of McFadden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA

Take to note a few things:
- The distinct lack of broken tackles
- The trick-play offense
- The lack of inside runs
- The lack of runs from an i-formation that aren't a misdirection
- How lean he looks, his lower body looks horribly thin!
- How everytime he gets hit he falls down, regardless of if he is delivering the blow or not

Then, watch this one of Peterson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rJ1xDBT1jM

Peterson looks like Bo Jackson (would have been the best ever if not for injury - same concern with AD) where as McFadden looks like a poor man's Ted Ginn.

Granted they're not a very good way of judging a player, the difference in style of making plays is very evident. Peterson played in a pro-style offense and as a result was NOT running counters and misdirections play after play. He is breaking tackles in all layers of the defense, and is using much more than just his speed. McFadden is all speed in his.

Also notice:
- How he's faster than everyone else
- Is a versatile weapon who they can line up anywhere
- How decisive he is
- How big he is for a player of this type

Also notice how great of a situation AP has always been in both with a highly talented Oklahoma team and Viking team that is built to run where Chester Taylor also dominates. Darren McFadden plays how a big fish in a small pond should play. He runs through everybody and looks like a one man offense.

He isn't big for what they do!!!!! He is rail thin!!! He looks like a thinner Ted Ginn below the waist. Same running style as well. Not very condusive to running up the middle.

In the NFL, he isn't going to be faster than everyone. The players are better, faster, smarter and hit harder.

What do you mean how versatile he is? He is a good return man because he is faster than everyone else around him in college. He has a lot of success with the wildcat because they need to account for him at QB and throwing, him at QB and running, a pitch or handoff to Jones, etc. This is not an offense you'll see in the NFL. Simply won't happen.

I think maybe we have different definitions of what makes a good prospect. If Peterson were the "perfect" prospect that means you couldn't improve anything. Not the case. He's purely a runner and will never be the presence that guys like LT or Westbrook can be. McFadden could be that guy. Like I've said already, I may have already lost this argument because we are judging McFadden against a player who is a rookie phenomenon and the rookie of the year. Peterson was the best prospect in years.... in retrospect. Not to NFL Scouting departments on the day of the draft. I'm guessing that the NFL general managers who are actually the "best" draft gurus are not going to pass on McFadden 20 times, or even 10 times.

I disagree. One of the biggest strengths of Peterson is the screen pass. Also, he had a good deal of success returning kicks this year. Teams ahead of the Vikes in the draft didn't have needs at RB. I think you'll see McFadden go at about the same spot this year +- 1.

Agreed he's versatile like Bush. He's also bigger than Bush which should help him translate to the NFL. When teams look at guys like Bush and McFadden they aren't thinking that if we had this guy we could just beat everyone to the edge. They plan to run with him up the middle. This has been a problem with Bush doesn't mean it will be with McFadden.

HE's NOT BIGGER THAN BUSH!!! He is thinner by a lot. He is 2 inches taller and the same weight!!! Time will tell if they have success up the gut. I doubt it. He's too small and can't toute the rock 25 times a game. Especially with his fumbling issues I just don't see it happening.

Bush was a better prospect than either of these guys. Bush was actually "The best one to come out in years." He was the second overall pick in one of the most talent packed drafts in memory. Knowing what I know now, I'd take HOF running backs over McFadden yes. I'd take most of the people on that list over Peterson too.

The point of the list was McFadden had better numbers in college.

Oddly enough, McFadden kind of reminds me of Steve Slaton. A fast, quick guy who makes people take bad angles. Unfortunately, even though he is a 4.33 guy he isn't going to beat AJ Hawk, Nick Barnett, DJ Williams, etc to the edge THAT often.

Sorry if its hard to read, I jump around a lot when I write.

Agreed, He reminds me of Steve Slaton. Only Slaton is too small to be the prospect McFadden is. Like I said before, nobody in the NFL plans on running the option with McFadden in the NFL. This doesn't hurt him as a prospect at all.

I think you're misunderstanding me. McFadden is a heck of an athlete but he is too small to be an elite running back. He doesn't have a true position but I don't think he is the receiver that Bush is. Honestly, I think he'll have a hard time being used for a year or two. Freakish athlete. Too thin to be a starting RB. If I was in need of a running back, I don't think I'd take him.

If I were a team like NE that is fairly deep and complete, I would definitely jump on the opportunity to get a playmaker like him. I'd use him on screens and end-arounds.

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Yuck, he can do way better than that. Their are some Hotties down here and he is worshipped. Why would he go for the bimbo with the fake tits and torn up cooter? I would go for the C cups and the just broken in cooch.

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Yuck, he can do way better than that. Their are some Hotties down here and he is worshipped. Why would he go for the bimbo with the fake tits and torn up cooter? I would go for the C cups and the just broken in cooch.

that's what im sayin... plus he's a mormon, can't he just have like six of them? maybe keep the fake tittie one for the coke parties or something i dunno. i guess we'd need scott's feedback on this.

gainesville fl... ? it's like... hottie capital.

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Yuck, he can do way better than that. Their are some Hotties down here and he is worshipped. Why would he go for the bimbo with the fake tits and torn up cooter? I would go for the C cups and the just broken in cooch.

that's what im sayin... plus he's a mormon, can't he just have like six of them? maybe keep the fake tittie one for the coke parties or something i dunno. i guess we'd need scott's feedback on this.

gainesville fl... ? it's like... hottie capital.

Southern Girls are hot and well endowed in all the right places. I am sure he is getting some fresh poon nightly. He's is WORSHIPPED around here.

Only city I've ever been where everywhere you go its their sports team. Go in Wal-Mart and they show the National Championship games on all their TVs on loop. Also, they put one right at the entrance. Go to a restaurant, they have Gators stuff on all the walls. It's insane because it is literally everywhere. I am not doing it justice.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

there is no point in arguing with partial about Mcfadden. NO matter how much facts you throw at him, he just won't face them.

I systematically answered his bs, and proved where he was wrong..yet, he can't admit it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Yuck, he can do way better than that. Their are some Hotties down here and he is worshipped. Why would he go for the bimbo with the fake tits and torn up cooter? I would go for the C cups and the just broken in cooch.

that's what im sayin... plus he's a mormon, can't he just have like six of them? maybe keep the fake tittie one for the coke parties or something i dunno. i guess we'd need scott's feedback on this.

gainesville fl... ? it's like... hottie capital.

That pic is as old as the internet. It isn't his girlfriend. Just a random chick.

http://barstoolsports.com/randomthoughts/2008/01/23/where_are_they_now_catching/

[Fritz]

West Virginia's Noel Devine looks like he will be an NFL stud some day as well. He needs to thicken up, though. He breaks a lot of tackles.

Do you even know anything about this kid?
This kid makes marshawn lynch look like an angel in terms of character, i think he had 4 kids with different mothers as sophomore. who know how many now... He was the kid deion sanders tried to adopt but noel didn't want to be so he stole deions car and flew back and enrolled back in his old school, i think north fort myers... HE is a freak though, amazing skills watching his sophomore game tape made my jaw drop...
Bottom line, if he keeps his act together he could have a great nfl career

No, I didn't know any of that. I've watched him play a few times this year though and I think he is better than Slaton. He is not quite as fast but way more powerful. He's a true freshman though, so i'm not sure what the sophomore stuff means other than possibly high school.

You just continue to prove you know very little about football, and you just make it up.

More powerful than Slaton. Oh lord. Devine is FIVE FUCKING EIGHT AND A BUCK 17O. Slaton is 195 and two inches taller. And, they are both timed at 4.4 in the 40.

Noel Devine is not even comparable. He is short, but very thick thighs like MJD and has what scouts are saying is the best balance for a running back ever.

But, it's going to bring his stock down that he is crazy short. I saw this pic today and figured i'd post it. The guy he is next to is 6'8", but still.

Not only that, but are you trying to say he's not more powerful than Slaton? Slaton is a finesse guy through and through. Devine is like Bush in running style but has the power of an MJD to run through people. He's a freak. WAY more powerful than Slaton, of course you're an idiot who is basing it strictly off their height and weight versus actual games.

The backs of that dude's thighs look like ass cheeks!

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there is no point in arguing with partial about Mcfadden. NO matter how much facts you throw at him, he just won't face them.

I systematically answered his bs, and proved where he was wrong..yet, he can't admit it.

Ha. Reread this thread. I am fairly certain I have proved you wrong on just about everything.

Stats don't tell the whole tale.

Just like the iPhone, just like everything else. Better fire an insult out quick before your massive ego takes a hit!!!