Pre-emptive Strike

[HarveyWallbangers]

That chick that Tebow is with is hot. Not his GF though.

Outside of injury concerns, Peterson is an all-time great talent. I don't rate McFadden anywhere near his level. Peterson has size, speed, agility. He's a power runner and a fast/elusive runner. McFadden can not run between the tackles like Peterson does. I think McFadden will be closer to Reggie Bush than Peterson.

I don't know how anybody can watch Adrian Peterson and not realize the kid is S-P-E-C-I-A-L.

[Guiness]

Well, that was only a four minute video of some of McFadden highlights...and all it's showing is his ability to make people miss, and his open field speed. He was hardly touched in any of those carries, except for a couple of plays showing him making some contact at the end of a play before going out of bounds.

[SkinBasket]

After reading this fucking thing the only pre-emptive strike I feel is the one on my sensibility.

Partial advising people on the virtues of different regional "cooch" is only marginally less mind numbing than his take on several college football players who he's watched 2 minute youTube clips of.

I think I'll pre-emptively strike the Grey Goose now in an effort to pre-emptively forget everything I've just read.

[GoPackGo]

After reading this fucking thing the only pre-emptive strike I feel is the one on my sensibility.

Partial advising people on the virtues of different regional "cooch" is only marginally less mind numbing than his take on several college football players who he's watched 2 minute youTube clips of.

I think I'll pre-emptively strike the Grey Goose now in an effort to pre-emptively forget everything I've just read.

I'll join you on that.

[Partial]

After reading this fucking thing the only pre-emptive strike I feel is the one on my sensibility.

Partial advising people on the virtues of different regional "cooch" is only marginally less mind numbing than his take on several college football players who he's watched 2 minute youTube clips of.

I think I'll pre-emptively strike the Grey Goose now in an effort to pre-emptively forget everything I've just read.

Do I have a server loaded with college film online somewhere that I can link people to?

Christ, use your head you jag off.

[Fritz]

After reading this fucking thing the only pre-emptive strike I feel is the one on my sensibility.

Partial advising people on the virtues of different regional "cooch" is only marginally less mind numbing than his take on several college football players who he's watched 2 minute youTube clips of.

I think I'll pre-emptively strike the Grey Goose now in an effort to pre-emptively forget everything I've just read.

I'll join you on that.

Pour me one, too, cuz I thought "cooch" was Steve Marriucci's sister.

[Partial]

Well, that was only a four minute video of some of McFadden highlights...and all it's showing is his ability to make people miss, and his open field speed. He was hardly touched in any of those carries, except for a couple of plays showing him making some contact at the end of a play before going out of bounds.

The thing to watch is how every run is to the outside with a guard pulling where no one is close to touching him. They run a misdirection run with Jones going one way taking a backer or two than McFadden going the other way.

He isn't touched, and when he goes down easy and is likely to couch the ball up!!

[Partial]

That chick that Tebow is with is hot. Not his GF though.

Outside of injury concerns, Peterson is an all-time great talent. I don't rate McFadden anywhere near his level. Peterson has size, speed, agility. He's a power runner and a fast/elusive runner. McFadden can not run between the tackles like Peterson does. I think McFadden will be closer to Reggie Bush than Peterson.

I don't know how anybody can watch Adrian Peterson and not realize the kid is S-P-E-C-I-A-L.

Agreed. I don't think he can run between the tackles very well at all. Is it just me or does he look remarkably similar to Ted Ginn except playing a different position??

[SkinBasket]

I didn't know you had a server full of college film. That's amazing. Now I know where you get all your well informed opinions about players from. Can you give me the link? Do you need a password?

[3irty1]

What I meant by how versatile he is is how he's got great hands, can run routes like a WR, and can even throw the ball. He is a coaches dream.

Too small? He's both taller and heavier than Reggie Bush who is both taller and heavier than Steve Slaton. These are facts. McFadden is also a much better receiver than AP was. Runs for nothing or big plays? That's not true at all but the big runs do help out your average as AP showed last year in the Pros. And for a "Rail Thin" running back he sure didn't seem as fragile as AP either.

You are trying to take everything you can away from an amazing athlete and physical specimen who is the clear cut best RB in the country. There is no reason to believe that McFadden will struggle in the NFL. If anything he's a better prospect because of the added dimensions to his game.

Questions:

How do you call Reggie Bush a great athlete but a poor football player?

How do you reference the "best draft guru" who says they wouldn't use a top 20 on McFadden but estimate he'll be drafted in roughly the same place as Peterson was?

Who told you that McFadden weighs only 200lbs?

Why does Felix Jones take away from McFadden but Taylor doesn't take away from AP?

Do you recall AP "barreling" through hash to hash sized holes last year?

You you in love with AP or something? And I don't mean "are you a fan?", I mean do you want to hold hands and have ketchup fights with him.

[Partial]

What I meant by how versatile he is is how he's got great hands, can run routes like a WR, and can even throw the ball. He is a coaches dream.

I haven't seen this. Bush did this much more frequently in college as was better at it. He's isn't great at it in the pros, so using logical reasoning I don't see McFadden being great at it either.

Too small? He's both taller and heavier than Reggie Bush who is both taller and heavier than Steve Slaton. These are facts. McFadden is also a much better receiver than AP was. Runs for nothing or big plays? That's not true at all but the big runs do help out your average as AP showed last year in the Pros. And for a "Rail Thin" running back he sure didn't seem as fragile as AP either.

Too thin. He's not as compact as Bush. I like Jon Stewart because he has 8% body fat and is 235. He's built like a house!! Bush and Slaton are too thin to be every down backs. He didn't seem as fragile because he never ran between the tackles, exactly what I have been trying to explain to you this whole time!!!

You are trying to take everything you can away from an amazing athlete and physical specimen who is the clear cut best RB in the country. There is no reason to believe that McFadden will struggle in the NFL. If anything he's a better prospect because of the added dimensions to his game.

No, I don't care about him at all. He's a good college player. Very dominant, but Bush's dominance didn't translate to the Pros, so why would McFaddens when Bush was a better college player and prospect?!?

Questions:

How do you call Reggie Bush a great athlete but a poor football player?

The same way I can call Rodger Federer an amazing athlete who wouldn't be a great pro football player. There is more to the NFL game than speed. You need to have size and power, and imo McFadden is lacking on both of those.

How do you reference the "best draft guru" who says they wouldn't use a top 20 on McFadden but estimate he'll be drafted in roughly the same place as Peterson was?

Because teams are not all smart. Mayock said he wouldn't touch him in the top 20. That doesn't mean a crazy mofo like Al Davis won't.

Who told you that McFadden weighs only 200lbs?

He weighed in at 210, 6'1.5" at the combine. Bush is 6" 210 these days.

Why does Felix Jones take away from McFadden but Taylor doesn't take away from AP?

How often are both Peterson and Taylor on the field at the same time?!? Are they lining Peterson up at QB and having him run?? Please...

Remember, Mike Vick was an extremely fast, versatile Athlete who could line up everywhere too. He wasn't great.

Do you recall AP "barreling" through hash to hash sized holes last year?

No question, but you can't deny he dropped his shoulders and created a ton of yards after contact.

You you in love with AP or something? And I don't mean "are you a fan?", I mean do you want to hold hands and have ketchup fights with him.

Not at all. I couldn't care less about him. But I know for a fact that he is a much better player than McFadden and if given the choice between the two, I choose Peterson every single time.

[Partial]

As for McFadden's success as a receiver, here is a list of negatives from a scout.

Has some off-the-field and character questions...Legs and lower body are a little thin....Might run too high and open himself up to big hits...Could still improve as a blocker...Does not have a ton of experience as a receiver...Did not really play in a conventional offense in college and shared the workload...Ball security is an issue.

Seems to me he's not as versatile as you think. Seem's like I hit the nail on the head.

[3irty1]

As for McFadden's success as a receiver, here is a list of negatives from a scout.

Has some off-the-field and character questions...Legs and lower body are a little thin....Might run too high and open himself up to big hits...Could still improve as a blocker...Does not have a ton of experience as a receiver...Did not really play in a conventional offense in college and shared the workload...Ball security is an issue.

Seems to me he's not as versatile as you think. Seem's like I hit the nail on the head.

Accept here is the rest of that report. Done by an analyst not a pro scout:

Strengths:
An outstanding natural athlete...Has very good size...Excellent timed speed with a burst...Has great vision and instincts...Big play threat who can take it the distance at any time..Elusive with nice feet..Quick and agile...Real strong...Tough and loves contact...Runs hard and does not go down easy...Has decent hands and can be a weapon in the passing game..Plays with a nasty demeanor..Extremely productive.

Weaknesses:
Has some off-the-field and character questions...Legs and lower body are a little thin....Might run too high and open himself up to big hits...Could still improve as a blocker...Does not have a ton of experience as a receiver...Did not really play in a conventional offense in college and shared the workload...Ball security is an issue.

Notes:
Burst onto the scene as a true freshman...The Heisman Trophy runner-up as both a sophomore and a junior...In the summer of '06 he dislocated his toe (which later required surgery) while trying to kick someone during a fight outside a night club at 4am...In January of 2008 was handcuffed during a disturbance outside of a bar shortly after midnight because according to the police report he was agitated and provoking aggressive behavior inciting the incident....Often worked as a shotgun quarterback in the Razorbacks "Wildcat" package and showed the ability to throw the ball...Pure football player with all the physical tools who is as good or perhaps an even better prospect than Adrian Peterson was coming out...A rare talent who should rank amongst the top running backs in the NFL very early in his pro career.

[3irty1]

Nice post.

[Partial]

And thats why not all scouts are created equal. His weaknesses are obvious. He has a lot of the P word. We'll see what comes to be of him. I don't think he's going to be a great player.