Odd man out in secondary

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't understand your love for this guy and Ryan Grant. They are not very good players. Any one could run for 100 yards against that Denver defense, and I watched that game 3 times, and he should've had 200 yards with the holes he had to work with, and MM had a GREAT running scheme set up against the Vikings and he did OK with it, but wasn't that impressive, he did break a nice tackle at the end of that 30 yard gallop for a score, but other than that, the scheme and line were the reason for his success. As far as Bush goes, what is so good about him, he gets beat constantly, not badly, he's usually right there to make the tackle, but his coverage skills are worse than Manuels. I hope he just needs to learn our system to be in better places, but so far he doesn't seem to be very instinctive, because for his speed and quickness, he should have more passes defended and less tackles. Maybe I'm being too hard on him. I just haven't seen much positive from him. I'd rather see Walker out there.

I got news for you. Nickel corners get beat. You'll probably see him get beat tomorrow going up against some damn good #3 and #4 receivers, but he's not a consistent weak spot like Ahmad Carroll was. I like the fact that he's a young corner with the size and speed teams look for who isn't a glaring weakness. That's about all you can judge a nickel corner from the TV. I don't have the coach's tape.

It's just too damn obvious what there is to like about Grant over Jackson. How about everything. He's bigger (6'1" 220). He's just as fast (4.45) as Jackson. He hits the hole decisively, and he hits it hard. He's shown one-cut ability.

[Partial]

Bush has been pretty darn solid for a nickel corner. He had a couple of bad games, but most teams struggle at that spot. It's hard to find two good corners--not to mention three. I think he has intriguing potential, and I'd be surprised if he weren't on the team next year--although it would be a good battle between him, Blackmon, and Williams if GB drafted a corner high. If you have good corners though, you keep them--just ike the DL. So, keeping 6 corners wouldn't be out of the question--like us keeping 6 WRs and 11 DL.

I think he would stick because he is excellent on special teams. He has been involved in two or three turnovers on the punting unit thus far.

[4and12to12and4]

I don't understand your love for this guy and Ryan Grant. They are not very good players. Any one could run for 100 yards against that Denver defense, and I watched that game 3 times, and he should've had 200 yards with the holes he had to work with, and MM had a GREAT running scheme set up against the Vikings and he did OK with it, but wasn't that impressive, he did break a nice tackle at the end of that 30 yard gallop for a score, but other than that, the scheme and line were the reason for his success. As far as Bush goes, what is so good about him, he gets beat constantly, not badly, he's usually right there to make the tackle, but his coverage skills are worse than Manuels. I hope he just needs to learn our system to be in better places, but so far he doesn't seem to be very instinctive, because for his speed and quickness, he should have more passes defended and less tackles. Maybe I'm being too hard on him. I just haven't seen much positive from him. I'd rather see Walker out there.

I got news for you. Nickel corners get beat. You'll probably see him get beat tomorrow going up against some damn good #3 and #4 receivers, but he's not a consistent weak spot like Ahmad Carroll was. I like the fact that he's a young corner with the size and speed teams look for who isn't a glaring weakness. That's about all you can judge a nickel corner from the TV. I don't have the coach's tape.

It's just too damn obvious what there is to like about Grant over Jackson. How about everything. He's bigger (6'1" 220). He's just as fast (4.45) as Jackson. He hits the hole decisively, and he hits it hard. He's shown one-cut ability.

I totally agree with those statements I "colorized". Especially that white boy they got catching everything in the middle of the field "mcdonald or something", he's gonna tear our nickel a knew asshole. And in no way did I or would I compare him to Ahmad Carrol, he got beat consistently, but when he got beat, his guy usually ended up in the end zone, that's why I said he's a step or two behind, and has too many tackles, but, yeah, I guess that's not bad for a nickel guy, I guess I'm just spoiled because of Harris and Woodson. We are going to agree to disagree about Grant and Jackson, I like Grant's speed, but he seems to be the type of guy that is just gonna always have nagging injuries, and I just think that Jackson is a more punishing running back that can do more between the tackles. If given the chance. Maybe you're right, I do love watching Grant show off that speed in the open field, and can squeeze through some tight holes, he's much better than Morency, that's for sure.

[Bretsky]

I don't understand your love for this guy and Ryan Grant. They are not very good players. Any one could run for 100 yards against that Denver defense, and I watched that game 3 times, and he should've had 200 yards with the holes he had to work with, and MM had a GREAT running scheme set up against the Vikings and he did OK with it, but wasn't that impressive, he did break a nice tackle at the end of that 30 yard gallop for a score, but other than that, the scheme and line were the reason for his success. As far as Bush goes, what is so good about him, he gets beat constantly, not badly, he's usually right there to make the tackle, but his coverage skills are worse than Manuels. I hope he just needs to learn our system to be in better places, but so far he doesn't seem to be very instinctive, because for his speed and quickness, he should have more passes defended and less tackles. Maybe I'm being too hard on him. I just haven't seen much positive from him. I'd rather see Walker out there.

I got news for you. Nickel corners get beat. You'll probably see him get beat tomorrow going up against some damn good #3 and #4 receivers, but he's not a consistent weak spot like Ahmad Carroll was. I like the fact that he's a young corner with the size and speed teams look for who isn't a glaring weakness. That's about all you can judge a nickel corner from the TV. I don't have the coach's tape.

It's just too damn obvious what there is to like about Grant over Jackson. How about everything. He's bigger (6'1" 220). He's just as fast (4.45) as Jackson. He hits the hole decisively, and he hits it hard. He's shown one-cut ability.

I totally agree with those statements I "colorized". Especially that white boy they got catching everything in the middle of the field "mcdonald or something", he's gonna tear our nickel a knew asshole. And in no way did I or would I compare him to Ahmad Carrol, he got beat consistently, but when he got beat, his guy usually ended up in the end zone, that's why I said he's a step or two behind, and has too many tackles, but, yeah, I guess that's not bad for a nickel guy, I guess I'm just spoiled because of Harris and Woodson. We are going to agree to disagree about Grant and Jackson, I like Grant's speed, but he seems to be the type of guy that is just gonna always have nagging injuries, and I just think that Jackson is a more punishing running back that can do more between the tackles. If given the chance. Maybe you're right, I do love watching Grant show off that speed in the open field, and can squeeze through some tight holes, he's much better than Morency, that's for sure.

I don't think Shawn Mcdonald is white

You might be referring to Michael Furrey

[4and12to12and4]

No, I'm talking about McDonald, he just must be light brown.

[SkinBasket]

We are going to agree to disagree about Grant and Jackson, I like Grant's speed, but he seems to be the type of guy that is just gonna always have nagging injuries, and I just think that Jackson is a more punishing running back that can do more between the tackles. If given the chance. Maybe you're right, I do love watching Grant show off that speed in the open field, and can squeeze through some tight holes, he's much better than Morency, that's for sure.

That's a tough argument to make given how each hits the line, and I suspect most people would have an opposite view of who is more "punishing." Grant's shown an ability to keep his shoulders square and break tackles heading through the line. Jackson tries to slip through, turns his shoulders, and from what little we've seen, goes down on first contact often. Theres a decisiveness in Grant's runs that just isn't there right now for Jackson. I'm starting to think Jackson's going to be an excellent 3rd down type back, but not an every down workhorse.

[Bretsky]

We are going to agree to disagree about Grant and Jackson, I like Grant's speed, but he seems to be the type of guy that is just gonna always have nagging injuries, and I just think that Jackson is a more punishing running back that can do more between the tackles. If given the chance. Maybe you're right, I do love watching Grant show off that speed in the open field, and can squeeze through some tight holes, he's much better than Morency, that's for sure.

That's a tough argument to make given how each hits the line, and I suspect most people would have an opposite view of who is more "punishing." Grant's shown an ability to keep his shoulders square and break tackles heading through the line. Jackson tries to slip through, turns his shoulders, and from what little we've seen, goes down on first contact often. Theres a decisiveness in Grant's runs that just isn't there right now for Jackson. I'm starting to think Jackson's going to be an excellent 3rd down type back, but not an every down workhorse.