Rayner having troubles in KC

[GoPackGo]

rayner is getting released!!!!!

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/378160.html

Chiefs plan to sign kicker John Carney
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Kicker John Carney (right) has been around a while. Carney, 43, is third on the all-time field-goal list. Determined to solve their field-goal problem, the Chiefs turned to one of the NFL’s most prolific kickers for help.

They planned today to sign 43-year-old John Carney, who is third on the NFL’s all-time field-goal list. Carney began his NFL career with Tampa Bay in 1988 and has also kicked for the LA Rams, Chargers, Saints and, earlier this year, Jaguars.

Carney was one of three kickers the Chiefs worked out on Monday to replace Dave Rayner, whom they plan to release. The others were Billy Cundiff, who has kicked in previous seasons with the Cowboys and Saints and went to camp this year with the Falcons, and Nick Novak, who also worked out for the Chiefs in September when they signed Rayner.

Cundiff also remained in Kansas City on Monday night. The Chiefs had discussed signing Cundiff as well and using him to kick off but apparently hadn’t made a final decision.

Kickoffs and field-goal range are concerns teams have had with Carney, but not his accuracy from closer distances. He made nine of his 11 field-goal attempts this season with Jacksonville, where he was an injury replacement.

His longest successful kick was 41 yards. He made a 20-yarder in a game against the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium in October but missed a 48-yard try.

Rayner made 15 of 22 field-goal attempts this season after joining the Chiefs for the season’s second game. He missed four of his last six tries, including two in a three-point loss to Indianapolis two weeks ago and a 33-yarder in Sunday’s 20-17 loss to Oakland.

Coach Herm Edwards passed on having Rayner try a potential game-tying, 41-yard field goal in the final minutes.

[GoPackGo]

The decision to keep Crosby is looking better^^^^^^^^^

[Him8123]

I like Crosby. He will get better in time. I`m sure he never thought he would get drafted and have to play right away. Especially for a team that so rich in traditions and winning. Thats got to be nerve wrecking in itself, to try and perform the best you can and not screw this one up. But he`ll get better I`m not worried about him.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

To bad about Rayner. But, i'm sure he'll be back in the league soon enough. Kickers rotate in and out all the time.

But, I totally called it in my post when I said i wouldn't be surprised to see him cut. When your coach doesn't wanna put pressure on you to make a 41 yarder....your time on the squad is pretty much over.

[Guiness]

What is happening with Rayner? Doesn't make sense, he didn't have these sorts of problems with us...

Maybe it's the holder

[Tyrone Bigguns]

What is happening with Rayner? Doesn't make sense, he didn't have these sorts of problems with us...

Maybe it's the holder

He wasn't good for us either. He was average from 30 on out.

[packers11]

Rayner waived by Chiefs
By Greg A. Bedard
Tuesday, Nov 27 2007, 01:23 PM
Green Bay - Former Packers kicker Dave Rayner, who lost a training camp battle to rookie Mason Crosby, was released Tuesday by the Kansas City Chiefs.

The Chiefs replaced Rayner with 43-year-old John Carney.

Rayner made 15 of 22 field-goal attempts this season after joining the Chiefs for the season’s second game. He missed two in a three-point loss to Indianapolis two weeks ago and a 33-yarder in Sunday’s 20-17 loss to Oakland.

Edwards passed on having Rayner try a potential game-tying 41-yard field goal in the final minutes.

[Guiness]

I far from agree with everything Thompson has done - but kudos for this decision, it was obviously the correct one.

On second thought, maybe it's Mm who deserves the creit.

[Tarlam!]

I far from agree with everything Thompson has done - but kudos for this decision, it was obviously the correct one.

On second thought, maybe it's Mm who deserves the creit.

Oh for fuck's sake, Guiness! I hope this was sarcasm, BECAUSE TT DRAFTED THE DAMNED KICKER.

TT deserves a BOATLOAD of credit and so does M3 for putting on the kicking comp to sort out the final decision.

Sorry, for my outburst. Every second Tuesday is board meeting. I get grumpy....

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I far from agree with everything Thompson has done - but kudos for this decision, it was obviously the correct one.

On second thought, maybe it's Mm who deserves the creit.

Oh for fuck's sake, Guiness! I hope this was sarcasm, BECAUSE TT DRAFTED THE DAMNED KICKER.

TT deserves a BOATLOAD of credit and so does M3 for putting on the kicking comp to sort out the final decision.

Sorry, for my outburst. Every second Tuesday is board meeting. I get grumpy....

He prolly is joking. But, he does have a point. Doesn't MM make decisions on players getting cut?

[mraynrand]

I far from agree with everything Thompson has done - but kudos for this decision, it was obviously the correct one.

On second thought, maybe it's Mm who deserves the creit.

Oh for fuck's sake, Guiness! I hope this was sarcasm, BECAUSE TT DRAFTED THE DAMNED KICKER.

TT deserves a BOATLOAD of credit and so does M3 for putting on the kicking comp to sort out the final decision.

Sorry, for my outburst. Every second Tuesday is board meeting. I get grumpy....

He prolly is joking. But, he does have a point. Doesn't MM make decisions on players getting cut?

I used to think McCarthy was TT's beeatch, but I'm starting to think the guy has some stones. I bet he has considerable input - but that's a total guess.

[RashanGary]

I'm sorry, but this is an overraction from a coach who wants to blame his dumb decision on the kicker. This reaks of the Donatell firing here in 02 or 04 or whenever that was.

Rayner isn't a great kicker but he wans't that bad here. He deserves a chance to fight through it for the season. If he flops, cut him next year. Now is just he wrong time to switch kickers. Reminds me a little of Denny Green flipping out on his OC after the game. Puhleeze, you don't fire someone after that, it rarely works out.

[Guiness]

I far from agree with everything Thompson has done - but kudos for this decision, it was obviously the correct one.

On second thought, maybe it's Mm who deserves the creit.

Oh for fuck's sake, Guiness! I hope this was sarcasm, BECAUSE TT DRAFTED THE DAMNED KICKER.

TT deserves a BOATLOAD of credit and so does M3 for putting on the kicking comp to sort out the final decision.

Sorry, for my outburst. Every second Tuesday is board meeting. I get grumpy....

He prolly is joking. But, he does have a point. Doesn't MM make decisions on players getting cut?

Well...only half joking. I was just saying someone deserved the credit for picking Crosby over Rayner. It was far from a slam dunk decision, and by all accounts, TT didn't go into the draft looking for one, but couldn't pass on the value when he was there that late in the draft. Certainly no one seemed to see it as an area of need. Yes, TT drafted him, but there doesn't seem to be any indication that he told MM he had to keep him over Rayner.

Hard to tell why Rayner 'grenaded'. Kickers are a strange lot, and I wonder if loosing the camp competition rattled him. As JH pointed out, he was ok here. Certainly never missed 4 of 6 that I can remember.

Anyways Tarlam - I like the spirit!

[Carolina_Packer]

Well, as TT has said, he does talk to MM, and will not force a player on him, but ultimately makes personnel decisions. I'm sure that they talk about decisions like, replacing a kicker. I don't think TT would have drafted him and not have spoken to MM about it first. MM might have said, I'm not sold on this guy, see what you can do.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'm sorry, but this is an overraction from a coach who wants to blame his dumb decision on the kicker. This reaks of the Donatell firing here in 02 or 04 or whenever that was.

Rayner isn't a great kicker but he wans't that bad here. He deserves a chance to fight through it for the season. If he flops, cut him next year. Now is just he wrong time to switch kickers. Reminds me a little of Denny Green flipping out on his OC after the game. Puhleeze, you don't fire someone after that, it rarely works out.

I hear what you are saying, but have to respectfully disagree.

Not kicking isn't a dumb decision. Rayner had just missed a 30 yarder. HE was one for 3 the previous week. A game they lost by 3 points. He was at that moment 15 of 22. he made 7/10 from 30-39, and 5-8 from 40-49.

That isn't good. If he was on the pack you'd be at least asking who else is out there.

A coach, with his job on the line, and if they won just a game back from leading the division can't just wait and let him work it out. And, if he kicks well the previous game they might be tied for the lead.

Kickers get cut all the time. To show how well it works, think Gramatica in Dallas last year.

A big difference tween a player and a coach. Cutting a player for performance is legitimate. It sends a message to the rest of the team. Cutting him arbitrarily is another thing...because you don't like him, etc.

I totally agree with a coach midseason. I live in AZ. That was a travesty and more importantly did result in any change.