Rayner having troubles in KC

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Just ignore him. I've never once seen him ever admit any inaccuracies in any of his posts. Nor was he willing to eat any crow in the eat crow thread. Don't waste your time.

crow: you mean like you do when you claim AT&T runs the internet. And you were wong. Among all the other wrong things you claim.

If you wanna pile on go ahead, but at least be factual.

I have encouraged you to do your homework but you won't. Don't go there again unless you're willing to do some reading. I am correct.

Right, just like the diagram of the intenet i posted. Clearly showed differently.

I work everyday with bandwith, carriers, and pipe. AT&T isn't a factor. More importantly, the issue is last mile not fiber. You could go out tommorow and buy transport.

Here is the link:

http://advice.cio.com/themes/CIO.com/cache/Internet_map_labels_0.pdf

Or this article from 05...sure, things change, but not even close to a monopoly.

https://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17635

Go ahead and tell us that AT&T dominates and monopolizes the internet. This should be good.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Confidence is such a huge part of kicking. If you lose that edge, it is difficult to recover.

Or, if you just aren't very good to begin with.

[GoPackGo]

I work everyday with bandwith, carriers, and pipe

So you don't have to do much real work huh? Carriers run themselves.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I work everyday with bandwith, carriers, and pipe

So you don't have to do much real work huh? Carriers run themselves.

Huh? No, i don't work for them. I work with them. I regularly buy bandwidth..Wi-vod, BlueWire, Qwest, Sparkplug, Time Warner, Copperhead, Integra.

Notice that AT&T isn't mentioned. They aren't even a player in Arizona.

This is the slow season for my company. My orders are in...provisioning is the problem. Everyone essentially buys from Qwest or Integra. Order a ptp from "pickem" and FOC is 30 days...right. Getting Qwest to do something is a joke. Sure, we'll extend the demark. Right. 45-60 days later.

Oh, you are having problems? Must be your end. 30 days later..oops, we provisioned PRI. Except they won't ever tell you they are wrong.

Do we even need to discuss the great DSL scam.

[GoPackGo]

Sure, we'll extend the demark. Right. 45-60 days later.

Oh, you are having problems? Must be your end. 30 days later..oops, we provisioned PRI. Except they won't ever tell you they are wrong.

Do we even need to discuss the great DSL scam.

You should have the know how to extend the demarc yourself if you are in the business on bandwidth, carries, and pipe.

ooooooooo. tell me the great dsl scam that you imagined

[BTP]

Sure, we'll extend the demark. Right. 45-60 days later.

Oh, you are having problems? Must be your end. 30 days later..oops, we provisioned PRI. Except they won't ever tell you they are wrong.

Do we even need to discuss the great DSL scam.

You should have the know how to extend the demarc yourself if you are in the business on bandwidth, carries, and pipe.

ooooooooo. tell me the great dsl scam that you imagined

Do you even know what exactly a demarc is?

Hmm long time lurker here and I guess this is as good as any to start. First off I dont know any of you from hell or high water BUT:

As someone who has worked telecommunications field(s) for a very long time now. Tyrone is very correct in what he is saying here. Obviously some of you really dont know what you're talking about when it comes to loops,rings and backbone and exactly who runs and services them.

However,I would love to hear his opinion on the dsl scam also.

[Freak Out]

Just ignore him. I've never once seen him ever admit any inaccuracies in any of his posts. Nor was he willing to eat any crow in the eat crow thread. Don't waste your time.

crow: you mean like you do when you claim AT&T runs the internet. And you were wong. Among all the other wrong things you claim.

If you wanna pile on go ahead, but at least be factual.

I have encouraged you to do your homework but you won't. Don't go there again unless you're willing to do some reading. I am correct.

Right, just like the diagram of the intenet i posted. Clearly showed differently.

I work everyday with bandwith, carriers, and pipe. AT&T isn't a factor. More importantly, the issue is last mile not fiber. You could go out tommorow and buy transport.

No no no there big fella...you work with tubes. A huge series of tubes.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Sure, we'll extend the demark. Right. 45-60 days later.

Oh, you are having problems? Must be your end. 30 days later..oops, we provisioned PRI. Except they won't ever tell you they are wrong.

Do we even need to discuss the great DSL scam.

You should have the know how to extend the demarc yourself if you are in the business on bandwidth, carries, and pipe.

ooooooooo. tell me the great dsl scam that you imagined

dude, we don't do anything with the T1 like that. We are using pipe. I'm not provisioning it. Are you crazy? If i order from TW they have to wait for Qwest circuits. i'm not in that loop. I'm waiting for turn up dates.

When i want a ptp from client to our colo..we do the work in our building..just get it to the telco room on our floor. And, getting them to actually get it to the floor is a huge task for them apparently (heavy sarcasm) as they fuck it up constantly and terminate in the basement which we don't have access to nor should we have to go down there and pull it to the 3rd floor. We can't even use the pipe and yet were charged for 2 months service.

But, we don't provision and we certainly aren't bringing the biscuit into the building. Our job begins and ends at the customer side with the router.

Finally, try getting some answers from qwest as to why the delay.

To me: "Gentlemen: Just in from Qwest: The order has gone held for Inter Office Facilities."

Me: What exactly is the issue.

Them (not qwest): "There is either something wrong with the existing facilities/wiring or there is not enough to cover your service. They are somewhat vague and I'm trying to get more info, but the gist is that we don't have a circuit and they cannot provide one until...sorry for the delay."

DSL: Are you going to tell me that: 1) it doesn't consistently go down 2) that they always deliver the promised upload and download speeds 3) that they don't oversell the bandwidth.

Half the time they don't even know their own service. Case in point. Client is waiting on t1, using dsl. computers/phones aren't working. We say, let us get into the dsl, client calls qwest, qwest tells them no one can get in. We are stunned as we have dsl (among others for redundancy) and can get into ours. Clients business is suffering. Can't determine if we are bsing or qwest. Finally qwest admits that Choice DSL only allow for 4 static ip addresses, but wouldn't admit it before or didn't know. Simple solution of buying linksys until T1 and cisco router.

Hey, if i was in Qwests shoes i would do the same. But, as a customer I wouldn't be thrilled.

[GoPackGo]

Do you even know what exactly a demarc is?
As someone who has worked telecommunications field(s) for a very long time now. Tyrone is very correct in what he is saying here. Obviously some of you really dont know what you're talking about when it comes to loops,rings and backbone and exactly who runs and services them.

However,I would love to hear his opinion on the dsl scam also.

Yeah I know what a demarcs,loops,rings and backbones are. Tyrone is correct that the providers do take along time to come out and extend demarcs and never like to admit if the problem is "thiers" or "yours".

If Tyrone needs ds1's extended, he should learn how to do it himself.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Sure, we'll extend the demark. Right. 45-60 days later.

Oh, you are having problems? Must be your end. 30 days later..oops, we provisioned PRI. Except they won't ever tell you they are wrong.

Do we even need to discuss the great DSL scam.

You should have the know how to extend the demarc yourself if you are in the business on bandwidth, carries, and pipe.

ooooooooo. tell me the great dsl scam that you imagined

Do you even know what exactly a demarc is?

Hmm long time lurker here and I guess this is as good as any to start. First off I dont know any of you from hell or high water BUT:

As someone who has worked telecommunications field(s) for a very long time now. Tyrone is very correct in what he is saying here. Obviously some of you really dont know what you're talking about when it comes to loops,rings and backbone and exactly who runs and services them.

However,I would love to hear his opinion on the dsl scam also.

Scam might be a strong word. But, it certainly doesn't deliver what they promise. At least not in my location. I'd love for people to talk with my clients or potential clients who would tell you that their dsl goes down daily at roughly the same time.

In my small world, i'm concerned with clean bandwidth as much as i'm concerned with pipe size. But, if i could get (and working on that right now) dsl to the client and from there to one of the 4 regional (forget the term) and handed off to the carrier circuit (on phx main) and then to our colo. Great bandwidth, avoid the cloud, low price.

BTP: Thanx for at least ackowledging that i'm not bsing here.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Do you even know what exactly a demarc is?
As someone who has worked telecommunications field(s) for a very long time now. Tyrone is very correct in what he is saying here. Obviously some of you really dont know what you're talking about when it comes to loops,rings and backbone and exactly who runs and services them.

However,I would love to hear his opinion on the dsl scam also.

Yeah I know what a demarcs,loops,rings and backbones are. Tyrone is correct that the providers do take along time to come out and extend demarcs and never like to admit if the problem is "thiers" or "yours".

If Tyrone needs ds1's extended, he should learn how to do it himself.

We use strictly T1s..PTP. Or if, if necessary a tl from the same carrier we are colo'd at. Avoid the cloud.

But, i don't get your problem with my statements. We aren't in that biz. That isn't our role, nor do we want it to be. We aren't a networking company, nor do we want to be one.

As i stated, if it is to our Telco room..we do the work. Doing work at the client side is out of our scope..not OUR KNOWLEDGE. Under your scenario, what exactly is the role of Qwest/TW/Integra.

I guess i should just be happy they provision a t1. Yeah, let me get down and blow them.

The last thing i/we want to do is solve clients networking issues.

That is what they pay useless certified idiots for. Should I rant about the huge number of certified networking dopes (there are good ones, but TONS of dopes).

Are you in Phx. Do you work for a telco. Do you wanna help? Is there a service you provide. I'm more than willing to talk with ANYBODY.

[BTP]

Sure, we'll extend the demark. Right. 45-60 days later.

Oh, you are having problems? Must be your end. 30 days later..oops, we provisioned PRI. Except they won't ever tell you they are wrong.

Do we even need to discuss the great DSL scam.

You should have the know how to extend the demarc yourself if you are in the business on bandwidth, carries, and pipe.

ooooooooo. tell me the great dsl scam that you imagined

Do you even know what exactly a demarc is?

Hmm long time lurker here and I guess this is as good as any to start. First off I dont know any of you from hell or high water BUT:

As someone who has worked telecommunications field(s) for a very long time now. Tyrone is very correct in what he is saying here. Obviously some of you really dont know what you're talking about when it comes to loops,rings and backbone and exactly who runs and services them.

However,I would love to hear his opinion on the dsl scam also.

Scam might be a strong word. But, it certainly doesn't deliver what they promise. At least not in my location. I'd love for people to talk with my clients or potential clients who would tell you that their dsl goes down daily at roughly the same time.

In my small world, i'm concerned with clean bandwidth as much as i'm concerned with pipe size. But, if i could get (and working on that right now) dsl to the client and from there to one of the 4 regional (forget the term) and handed off to the carrier circuit (on phx main) and then to our colo. Great bandwidth, avoid the cloud, low price.

BTP: Thanx for at least ackowledging that i'm not bsing here.

Well it all depends on who the service provider is and of course how far you are away from the Telco CO. Lot's people dont realize that if your over 10,000 ft from there,yes,you are going to have issues especially the provisioning and speeds. Especially being on copper pairs(yes in Wisconsin and other states they are still updating this)

I am very fortunate enough to be 4000ft from my CO and my DSL provisioning of 6mb down/768. I actually get that (constant at that). Even on a VOD line. Companies have pretty much done away unbundled loops for DSL(in which was freaking silly).

That were the whole DSL/Cable pissing match people get into cracks me up because most of them dont even understand what they are talking about.

[BTP]

We use strictly T1s..PTP. Or if, if necessary a tl from the same carrier we are colo'd at. Avoid the cloud.

But, i don't get your problem with my statements. We aren't in that biz. That isn't our role, nor do we want it to be. We aren't a networking company, nor do we want to be one.

As i stated, if it is to our Telco room..we do the work. Doing work at the client side is out of our scope..not OUR KNOWLEDGE. Under your scenario, what exactly is the role of Qwest/TW/Integra.

I guess i should just be happy they provision a t1. Yeah, let me get down and blow them.

The last thing i/we want to do is solve clients networking issues.

That is what they pay useless certified idiots for. Should I rant about the huge number of certified networking dopes (there are good ones, but TONS of dopes).

Are you in Phx. Do you work for a telco. Do you wanna help? Is there a service you provide. I'm more than willing to talk with ANYBODY.

HAHAH I dont even want to hear your sad story,you just deal with them on the phone. I am the field engineer that has to go deal with them in person. Some of these clowns have four years of college yet couldnt make a RJ45 jack/cable let alone punch down on a 66 blocks.

[Freak Out]

That were the whole DSL/Cable pissing match people get into cracks me up because most of them dont even understand what they are talking about.

Good stuff in a thread about a PK that was cut by the Chiefs.

So what is the best way to determine (cost is not a factor) if the cable hook up or DSL is better if both are available in your area? The local DSL company claims there service is better because your not "sharing" all your bandwidth with everyone else on with a cable modem? I have the cable modem now and it is pretty reliable but I never get the speeds they advertise...and I pay for.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

We use strictly T1s..PTP. Or if, if necessary a tl from the same carrier we are colo'd at. Avoid the cloud.

But, i don't get your problem with my statements. We aren't in that biz. That isn't our role, nor do we want it to be. We aren't a networking company, nor do we want to be one.

As i stated, if it is to our Telco room..we do the work. Doing work at the client side is out of our scope..not OUR KNOWLEDGE. Under your scenario, what exactly is the role of Qwest/TW/Integra.

I guess i should just be happy they provision a t1. Yeah, let me get down and blow them.

The last thing i/we want to do is solve clients networking issues.

That is what they pay useless certified idiots for. Should I rant about the huge number of certified networking dopes (there are good ones, but TONS of dopes).

Are you in Phx. Do you work for a telco. Do you wanna help? Is there a service you provide. I'm more than willing to talk with ANYBODY.

HAHAH I dont even want to hear your sad story,you just deal with them on the phone. I am the field engineer that has to go deal with them in person. Some of these clowns have four years of college yet couldnt make a RJ45 jack/cable let alone punch down on a 66 blocks.

Unfortunately I don't just deal with them on the phone.

The idea that a voip phone has switch in it, that a computer can daisy chain off the phone and require only one jack is almost incomprensible to some of these folks. I love it when they tell me it can't be done.

Or when they say, no once the biscuit is there, i'll take over. Must be to try and fool their employer. I had a guy actually call me up and tell me that his phone was working...idiot plugged directly into the biscuit.

Or, the guys who don't understand the relationship tween the patch panel and the switch. Yikes.

The biggest problems are new buildings. Half the owners and IT guys have no idea what they are doing.