Sean Taylor Shot

[Guiness]

Wow - I thought he'd make it. You would think surviving a day or so would improve his chances, but it sounds like he was clinging to life the whole time.

What a waste. He was a great player, and a new father. He deserved better than this.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Just horrible. R.I.P. Sean.

[Carolina_Packer]

Condolences to his family, friends and the Redskins. This is truly tragic. Makes you think, like DN talked about.

[BallHawk]

Wow - I thought he'd make it. You would think surviving a day or so would improve his chances, but it sounds like he was clinging to life the whole time.

Yeah, you'd think that after a day he would be in a more stable condition, but I remember reports saying that he had flatlined twice and the doctors almost lost him.

[Freak Out]

Wow - I thought he'd make it. You would think surviving a day or so would improve his chances, but it sounds like he was clinging to life the whole time.

Yeah, you'd think that after a day he would be in a more stable condition, but I remember reports saying that he had flatlined twice and the doctors almost lost him.

He had a major artery shot....it was amazing he made it to the hospital in the first place. The paramedics were pretty close or his girlfriend had received some good cpr/first aid training. I've had to deal with some pretty bad wounds and injuries before but never a femoral artery being severed. You have to be fast and be able to compress it flat against the bone to stop the bleeding..and then the possibility of a major clot will last for a long time. These types of injuries are one of the reasons why we as citizens have to give blood every eight weeks or so. Do it.

[Deputy Nutz]

The one fatality during the 2007 deer season when a grandfather mistakenly shot his grandson in the leg. The kid bled out in the hospital.

[Rastak]

Other than taking a bullet to the melon or straight to the heart and lungs getting your Femoral Artery severed is the worst possible injury or wound you can have. I bet he dumbed close to half his blood supply by the time he reached the hospital. You can't stop the bleeding until you can clamp the artery and that requires surgery. Surgery is no piece of cake either because you have to go through the thigh and that is going to be some thick dense muscle, and then you have to find exactly where it has been severed, the bullet didn't cut right through his leg, it bounced around like a pin ball.

horrible situation, reading some things last night about it, and listening to the TV it really sounded like he was targeted, whether it was a "hit", or maybe a ransom thing, I don't know.

I know that there was some mention of athletes being targeted in Chicago and hustled down for their loot, sounds a lot like the Russian Mafia in Russia. They have been known for years to go after professional hockey players in the NHL and threaten their families if protection fees are not payed.

Yea, that was a terrible wound as you pointed out Nutz. They made it sound like even after 6 hours of surgery they never really stopped the bleeding and had to give him several transfusions.

As for you and Leaper pointing out this might not be a run of the mill robbery. I have to agree after hearing all the reports. Somebody breaking in and leaving a knife on his bed without robbing him blind does kind of sound like a calling card. The seems more like an execution.

[mmmdk]

Terrible news; rest in peace Sean & thoughts goes to his family.

[Freak Out]

Other than taking a bullet to the melon or straight to the heart and lungs getting your Femoral Artery severed is the worst possible injury or wound you can have. I bet he dumbed close to half his blood supply by the time he reached the hospital. You can't stop the bleeding until you can clamp the artery and that requires surgery. Surgery is no piece of cake either because you have to go through the thigh and that is going to be some thick dense muscle, and then you have to find exactly where it has been severed, the bullet didn't cut right through his leg, it bounced around like a pin ball.

horrible situation, reading some things last night about it, and listening to the TV it really sounded like he was targeted, whether it was a "hit", or maybe a ransom thing, I don't know.

I know that there was some mention of athletes being targeted in Chicago and hustled down for their loot, sounds a lot like the Russian Mafia in Russia. They have been known for years to go after professional hockey players in the NHL and threaten their families if protection fees are not payed.

Yea, that was a terrible wound as you pointed out Nutz. They made it sound like even after 6 hours of surgery they never really stopped the bleeding and had to give him several transfusions.

As for you and Leaper pointing out this might not be a run of the mill robbery. I have to agree after hearing all the reports. Somebody breaking in and leaving a knife on his bed without robbing him blind does kind of sound like a calling card. The seems more like an execution.

I heard a report this morning where a cousin had stated that he had been trying to distance himself lately from some "friends" and the influence they have had over him for some time.

[The Leaper]

As for you and Leaper pointing out this might not be a run of the mill robbery. I have to agree after hearing all the reports. Somebody breaking in and leaving a knife on his bed without robbing him blind does kind of sound like a calling card. The seems more like an execution.

I just thought the fact he was killed in his bedroom was very strange...before I heard or read anything about the previous break-ins. You just don't see many robberies that end with people getting shot in their bedroom. I also had assumed that he lived in a more secure location...which I figured would make it even less likely that it was just some random robbery. That does not appear to be the case. He certainly was wealthy enough to afford a home worth several million dollars...and there are plenty of those neighborhoods around Miami. I was very surprised to see he was in something much more upper middle class.

I could understand if he heard a noise and surprised someone ransacking his game room and got caught in a bad situation where a desperate criminal felt they needed to shoot their way out. However, to get shot at the door to your bedroom is something else entirely. Someone who is going to rob a house in the dead of night isn't going to go anywhere near the sleeping quarters if they have half a brain. You wouldn't want to wake anyone up. I'm sure Taylor has plenty of valuables that aren't anywhere near his bedroom. If he was shot before he even got out of his bedroom, it just didn't make sense to me. When they were talking robbery in the first reports that also mentioned where he was gunned down...it didn't add up to me.

The fact that the house was targeted before in recent days...and under unusual conditions...makes the situation even more likely that Taylor was a target for some reason. It is a very sad situation. Seems like the criminals were either looking for something very particular that was hidden in the house (meaning they were either familiar with Taylor personally or associates of someone who is and would have knowledge of hidden valuables) or that Taylor was a specific target to be harmed. The current reports seem to indicate they weren't all that interested in keeping quiet...and if they actually did bust down his bedroom door to shoot him, it certainly seems likely this was some kind of vendetta against Taylor personally.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Finally, you have cast doubt and aspersions regarding his history and his character. While he may not be perfect, it should be noted that his father is a CHIEF OF POLICE. I think that some of that prolly rubbed off on his son.

Please show me where I did anything you suggest in this quote. I never once said ANYTHING negative about his character or history. I merely suggested that this crime did not seem to be the run-of-the-mill robbery that was originally portrayed in initial reports. It seemed to me that he was being specifically targeted for some reason when he was shot in his own bedroom.

You love to sit here and pontificate about how you just stick to the facts and are better than the rest of us. Try reading what I actually post before you dare to assault my character, jackass.

This isn't a "common" crime...as YOU have suggested. It may be similiar to other recent incidents with athletes, but this isn't some addict trying to find some loot to supply his next high.

It is a senseless act...and I feel horrible for Taylor's family, friends and teammates.

By saying that you don't believe the story, from saying that something is unusual...that is calling into question who Taylor was and who he associated with.

If this happend to someone else you would most likely not be saying these things.

If you can't recognize your own subtle character assinations then you need to reevaluate what you are writing. Others might classify what you are doing as subtle racism. I'm not doing that.

Common Crime: Oh really, all those other high profile athletes getting targetted doesn't make this common? Home invasions are very common. Rich people getting targetted to be robbed are very common. This happens all the time. It just isn't in the paper.

[The Leaper]

By saying that you don't believe the story, from saying that something is unusual...that is calling into question who Taylor was and who he associated with.

If this happend to someone else you would most likely not be saying these things.

You are grasping at straws. I have never suggested ANYWHERE that Taylor was responsible for this apparent targeting by his lifestyle or character. The fact you can't bring up any instances where you can cite evidence for your stupid assumptions regarding me is telling enough.

Claiming that I believed this crime was more than just a random robbery has no implication whatsoever as to Taylor's character. Plenty of good people can be targeted by criminals. It happens every day. Claiming that this did not seem to be a random crime hardly can be taken that I believe Taylor is a thug.

You are a jackass. That much I can recognize. I have zero respect for you or your own character assassination of myself. You are pathetic.

If you can't recognize your own subtle character assinations then you need to reevaluate what you are writing. Others might classify what you are doing as subtle racism. I'm not doing that.

Then what the hell are you classifying it as? You sure as hell are making a point of harping on me when others have even stood up and told you that I've never attacked Taylor's character. Your mind is closed and made up...regardless of the facts.

Common Crime: Oh really, all those other high profile athletes getting targetted doesn't make this common? Home invasions are very common. Rich people getting targetted to be robbed are very common. This happens all the time. It just isn't in the paper.

Bullshit.

People don't get gunned down in their bedrooms everyday. Every major city reports murders on a daily basis, and I've lived in a number of major cities...yet you rarely hear of someone being gunned down like this in their own bedroom, which is the most personal room in a home. Crimes in the bedroom typically are personal in nature. That's my point. Ask any law enforcement officer, and they are likely to agree with my assessment. A basic random robbery isn't going to wind up with someone getting shot in their bedroom very often...that would be an extremely rare circumstance. That is why I thought this crime was something other than a random robbery of a rich home that was initially reported.

Go back under the rock you crawled out from.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

By saying that you don't believe the story, from saying that something is unusual...that is calling into question who Taylor was and who he associated with.

If this happend to someone else you would most likely not be saying these things.

You are grasping at straws. I have never suggested ANYWHERE that Taylor was responsible for this apparent targeting by his lifestyle or character. The fact you can't bring up any instances where you can cite evidence for your stupid assumptions regarding me is telling enough.

Claiming that I believed this crime was more than just a random robbery has no implication whatsoever as to Taylor's character. Plenty of good people can be targeted by criminals. It happens every day. Claiming that this did not seem to be a random crime hardly can be taken that I believe Taylor is a thug.

You are a jackass. That much I can recognize. I have zero respect for you or your own character assassination of myself. You are pathetic.

If you can't recognize your own subtle character assinations then you need to reevaluate what you are writing. Others might classify what you are doing as subtle racism. I'm not doing that.

Then what the hell are you classifying it as? You sure as hell are making a point of harping on me when others have even stood up and told you that I've never attacked Taylor's character. Your mind is closed and made up...regardless of the facts.

Common Crime: Oh really, all those other high profile athletes getting targetted doesn't make this common? Home invasions are very common. Rich people getting targetted to be robbed are very common. This happens all the time. It just isn't in the paper.

Bullshit.

People don't get gunned down in their bedrooms everyday. Every major city reports murders on a daily basis, and I've lived in a number of major cities...yet you rarely hear of someone being gunned down like this in their own bedroom, which is the most personal room in a home. Crimes in the bedroom typically are personal in nature. That's my point. Ask any law enforcement officer, and they are likely to agree with my assessment. A basic random robbery isn't going to wind up with someone getting shot in their bedroom very often...that would be an extremely rare circumstance. That is why I thought this crime was something other than a random robbery of a rich home that was initially reported.

Go back under the rock you crawled out from.

More speculation. Until you have some stats regarding murders and where they are committed then you are just speculating.

While i agree that murders in a house in the bedroom are most often personal....you would need to do stats on robberies and where the murders are committed.

Lastly, all murders aren't reported. Nor do you pay attention every day. That is a joke. There were 17000 murders in 06. Not everyone was in the paper or news. The ones that are are high profile, atrocious..kids, etc., or especially viscious. Stop being naive or being dumb..do you think every hooker that is killed is in the paper. LOL

[The Leaper]

More speculation. Until you have some stats regarding murders and where they are committed then you are just speculating.

Well, if it is so obvious I am wrong, why don't you provide the stats? We aren't writing a damn thesis here, Ty. This is a forum where we SPECULATE and EDITORIALIZE about our personal thoughts and beliefs.

When someone disagrees with you, you immediately attack them every time by making them turn the argument into a doctoral thesis...and claim victory when they don't want to spend 3 hours doing research to prove something. What a worthless exercise. Do you really draw satisfaction from that?

While i agree that murders in a house in the bedroom are most often personal....you would need to do stats on robberies and where the murders are committed.

So you agree with me...but then still decide to tell me that I'm wrong until I provide stats. Where the fuck are your stats to support your beliefs that I attacked Taylor's character?

Lastly, all murders aren't reported. Nor do you pay attention every day. That is a joke. There were 17000 murders in 06. Not everyone was in the paper or news. The ones that are are high profile, atrocious..kids, etc., or especially viscious. Stop being naive or being dumb..do you think every hooker that is killed is in the paper. LOL

I didn't claim to have knowledge of all murders in the US last year. However, when rich, influential people get killed in a robbery (or ANY situation for that matter) you damn well hear about it. How many rich people do you know of off-hand who were killed in their bedroom in random robbery attempts in the last decade?

The fact of that matter is that I don't need a statistician to prove anything. My arguments make sense...and the facts of the case seems to continually point more and more to the fact that I was right in suggesting this was not merely some random act by a random robber looking to steal some rich guy's plasma TV...even though you claimed that I didn't know Florida or their criminals and that apparently this is just an everyday deal down in the Sunshine State.

If you think I'm wrong, you are welcome to provide evidence to show where my opinions are incorrect. Otherwise, you are speculating just as much as anyone else. None of us were there...and none of us knew Sean Taylor...hopefully none of us know who did this.

[MJZiggy]

Seriously. Are we REALLY having a fight about homicide statistics in the US with accusations of covert racism because someone said he thinks this thing looks fishy? Good Lord, if you don't think this looks fishy, then I'm truly glad you're not one of the investigators looking into it. At least wait until the police stop looking for links between the two break-ins before you make such an effort to shoot down his idea 'cause funny thing is, there are indications from them that they think it's fishy too.