Sean Taylor Shot

[Tyrone Bigguns]

More speculation. Until you have some stats regarding murders and where they are committed then you are just speculating.

Well, if it is so obvious I am wrong, why don't you provide the stats? We aren't writing a damn thesis here, Ty. This is a forum where we SPECULATE and EDITORIALIZE about our personal thoughts and beliefs.

When someone disagrees with you, you immediately attack them every time by making them turn the argument into a doctoral thesis...and claim victory when they don't want to spend 3 hours doing research to prove something. What a worthless exercise. Do you really draw satisfaction from that?

While i agree that murders in a house in the bedroom are most often personal....you would need to do stats on robberies and where the murders are committed.

So you agree with me...but then still decide to tell me that I'm wrong until I provide stats. Where the fuck are your stats to support your beliefs that I attacked Taylor's character?

Lastly, all murders aren't reported. Nor do you pay attention every day. That is a joke. There were 17000 murders in 06. Not everyone was in the paper or news. The ones that are are high profile, atrocious..kids, etc., or especially viscious. Stop being naive or being dumb..do you think every hooker that is killed is in the paper. LOL

I didn't claim to have knowledge of all murders in the US last year. However, when rich, influential people get killed in a robbery (or ANY situation for that matter) you damn well hear about it. How many rich people do you know of off-hand who were killed in their bedroom in random robbery attempts in the last decade?

The fact of that matter is that I don't need a statistician to prove anything. My arguments make sense...and the facts of the case seems to continually point more and more to the fact that I was right in suggesting this was not merely some random act by a random robber looking to steal some rich guy's plasma TV.

If you think I'm wrong, you are welcome to provide evidence to show where my opinions are incorrect.

Yes, you did. You said " Every major city reports murders on a daily basis." I'm curious as to how the city does this and who they report it to..LOL. I worked for a city gov't and they do no such thing. Papers and electronic media cover some news. Not all the news.


I don't have to provide stats. I'm not the one speculating, nor positing why you think things are strange. Or making absurd statements about where rich people keep their valuables..which only make you sound stupid. Many people keep their jewelry and such in their bedrooms. Or their drugs, or a safe, or cash in their bedroom.

I guess the people that broke into my parents home..TWICE and stole items are just idiots..as they went right to the bedroom and took jewelry. They left the TV, stereo, etc.

It is not my job to disprove a negative..which is impossible. It is your job to back up idle speculation with some sort of stats. Otherwise, Encylopedia Brown, you just are some idiot spouting their opinion.

I don't know any rich people killed...because like most americans i don't pay attention to it. Nor do you.

But, unlike you, i don't think i'm some sorta amateur detective who can ascertain any info off of same day crime reports in the newspaper. I wait and see.

Lastly, most criminals aren't taking TVs. What a joke. TVs and such are heavy and would require assistance. They are looking for light weight, easily carried out items...jewelry, watches, cash, etc.

If these people are professionals they are looking for jewelry, gold coins, antiques, silverware, art.

[Guiness]

It is not my job...

You've got a job Tyrone? Oh, the humanity. We welcome all tax paying crack addicts with open arms

[The Leaper]

Yes, you did. You said " Every major city reports murders on a daily basis." I'm curious as to how the city does this and who they report it to..LOL. I worked for a city gov't and they do no such thing. Papers and electronic media cover some news. Not all the news.

I did not say that every major city reports EVERY murder on a daily basis. I said that murders ARE reported...and they in fact are. Turn on the local news at 6...I'll bet they report about someone who was murdered. Newspapers usually cover crimes even closer...hell, robberies and assaults are often reported in local papers. That was what I meant...not the actual government itself. I didn't mean the mayor comes out every day and tells us who got knocked off last night.

Put down the fucking crack pipe and read what I say. I never insinuated that all murders are reported...despite your best efforts to say otherwise. Most murders in fact are reported through the media in major cities...even if just in passing for many in the major metropolitans.

I don't have to provide stats. I'm not the one speculating, nor positing why you think things are strange. Or making absurd statements about where rich people keep their valuables..which only make you sound stupid. Many people keep their jewelry and such in their bedrooms. Or their drugs, or a safe, or cash in their bedroom.

Where the hell did I ever comment about where valuables were in Taylor's home? I merely said crooks robbing a house in the middle of the night are more likely to avoid the bedrooms in order to prevent waking people. What the hell is crazy about that?

God...stop smoking the weed. It is seriously damaging your reading capacity.

I guess the people that broke into my parents home..TWICE and stole items are just idiots..as they went right to the bedroom and took jewelry. They left the TV, stereo, etc.

No...they clearly waited until your parent were GONE. Crooks don't go running into people's bedroom at 2am if they don't know for sure the owner is vacant.

If these people are professionals they are looking for jewelry, gold coins, antiques, silverware, art.

If they are professionals, they aren't busting into someone's bedroom and shooting the first thing they see either. Professionals operate at the least amount of risk...it only takes one mistake to get caught. No professional thief is going to enter a house where the owner is home and go wandering about his bedroom door. That was my point.

[MJZiggy]

Every major city reports every murder in that city, if not on a daily basis, on a weekly. In my area you can even get a live feed of all the crimes as they are reported by the police. The city does not report them, the police do. How do you think the media finds the crimes they wish to cover? They go to the police reports or listen to the scanners. Just because the news doesn't cover every murder doesn't mean they go unreported. And remind me again why we are having an argument about this? Dude got shot. It was high-profile. He was famous. Yes rich people get shot. Remember Versace? If you want to hear about it on the news, though as a national story, they do have to be famous more than rich (though admittedly they do go hand in hand). Like Maurice Clarrett. And Pat Tillman. Sports figures are famous. Their cases get more attention and the public speculates about what happened. Especially when the circumstances around the event are muddy.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Yes, you did. You said " Every major city reports murders on a daily basis." I'm curious as to how the city does this and who they report it to..LOL. I worked for a city gov't and they do no such thing. Papers and electronic media cover some news. Not all the news.

I did not say that every major city reports EVERY murder on a daily basis. I said that murders ARE reported...and they in fact are. Turn on the local news at 6...I'll bet they report about someone who was murdered. Newspapers usually cover crimes even closer...hell, robberies and assaults are often reported in local papers. That was what I meant...not the actual government itself. I didn't mean the mayor comes out every day and tells us who got knocked off last night.

Put down the fucking crack pipe and read what I say. I never insinuated that all murders are reported...despite your best efforts to say otherwise. Most murders in fact are reported through the media in major cities...even if just in passing for many in the major metropolitans.

I don't have to provide stats. I'm not the one speculating, nor positing why you think things are strange. Or making absurd statements about where rich people keep their valuables..which only make you sound stupid. Many people keep their jewelry and such in their bedrooms. Or their drugs, or a safe, or cash in their bedroom.

Where the hell did I ever comment about where valuables were in Taylor's home? I merely said crooks robbing a house in the middle of the night are more likely to avoid the bedrooms in order to prevent waking people. What the hell is crazy about that?

God...stop smoking the weed. It is seriously damaging your reading capacity.

I guess the people that broke into my parents home..TWICE and stole items are just idiots..as they went right to the bedroom and took jewelry. They left the TV, stereo, etc.

No...they clearly waited until your parent were GONE. Crooks don't go running into people's bedroom at 2am if they don't know for sure the owner is vacant.

If these people are professionals they are looking for jewelry, gold coins, antiques, silverware, art.

If they are professionals, they aren't busting into someone's bedroom and shooting the first thing they see either. Professionals operate at the least amount of risk...it only takes one mistake to get caught. No professional thief is going to enter a house where the owner is home and go wandering about his bedroom door. That was my point.

1. I quoted you. But, i understand now what you are saying. But, you are only helping my point. If you think that whatever channel six does is how things operate in all ciities you are high. You think in NYC and Miami every murder is on the local new? LOL

Local papers only report the worst or things that interest their readers. Again, do you think they report the deaths of crackheads, whores, junkies, etc. Not a chance.

Anyone who follows the media knows that "problems" are only reported when it effects the "white" suburban folks. Before that it isn't an issue. Coke, Aids, etc. weren't covered until it effected the suburbs.

2. You said there were valuables outside his bedroom. How do you know. That is speculation at best. First, you are assuming what he has in his house and second you are speculating what is valuable to a criminal. Burglars dont' steal tvs and heavy stuff. They steal things they can grab and walk away with. Do you think they park their car in the driveway and load up the stuff?

Waking people. Perhaps. Or perhaps they went in with a plan to subdue those sleeping and were surprised that he awoke. Or perhaps they didn't think he was at home.

3. Ok, so the crooks that robbed my parents thought they weren't at home. So, why don't you assume the same for Taylor?

Do you even realize when you speculate. How do you KNOW that my parents were gone?

Second, you are wrong. They didn't do it in the middle of the morning..and my dad surprised him and he fled...right out the backyard, and ran down the railroad tracks. Very common in the neighborhood. People who are on drugs and need their medicine don't think straight.

You are looking at this like a normal person. That is wrong. You need to stop and think either like a professional (think Heat which was based on a true story) or like someone whose brain is constrained by the need for drugs.

4. Again, an assumption. They might not have thought he or anybody was home. Or they might have come in expecting to get the jump on him.

Perhaps you'd like to talk with Antoine Walker about being tied up and robbed at gunpoint.

Again, you don't think like a criminal. As i pointed out earlier, the level of thugs that exist in this world and especially down in florida are out of hand. They are crazy. They don't expect to live. They have already been in prison and expect to go back.

[The Leaper]

You can sit here and tell us all about the stories of your relatives chasing would-be robbers around the neighborhood at various times of day all you want, Bigguns. The bottom line is that the people who broke into Taylor's house were not likely some vagrant addicts looking to supply their next high, such as the individual your dad ran off.

You are the one who assaulted my character and began this charade...and you falsely cling to racial stereotypes (the media only cares to report about "white suburban" problems, etc.) while degrading the valid opinions of others who you feel do not share your worldview.

[GrnBay007]

Goodell's Statement
The commissioner's office has released this statement from Roger Goodell:

The entire NFL is deeply saddened by the death of Sean Taylor. We extend our heartfelt sympathy to Sean's family, friends, teammates, and the Redskins' organization. This is a terrible tragedy involving the loss of a young man who leaves behind many people struggling to understand it. Our office is staying in close contact with the Redskins to provide all appropriate support to the club and Sean's family. We also are working to determine the facts surrounding this tragic event. We will honor the memory of Sean Taylor at all games this weekend.

[GrnBay007]

From Redskins Insider
By Jason La Canfora

Spoke to Richard Sharpstein, Sean's lawyer and de facto family spokesperson at this point. He cleared a few things up.

Sean did have an alarm system on his home, Sharpstein said, but it was not engaged that night. Sharpstein said he spoke to Jackie, Sean's girlfriend, about that evening and she said that here sister had been staying with them and coming and going from the house, so Sharpstein said that may have been why the alarm was not on at that time. Sharpstein said that Jackie had difficulty getting a dial tone and struggled to make the 911 call then "scurried to get her cellphone," and made the call from that.

However, Sharpstein said he could not say for certain whether the intruders had actually cut the phone lines at the house, as some have reported, and Sharpstein said the police were investigating that aspect of the case.


The rest of the article is repeat from what every other article is reporting.



Edit: in a related article....WPTV.com

"Miami-Dade police now say phone lines at Taylor's home were cut.

That's why it took so long for them to respond when Taylor was shot by an intruder early Monday morning."

[DannoMac21]

Is anyone else bothered by this as much as me? I don't know...It's literally all that's on my mind.

I found out the worst way. My alarm went off at 6:30 this morning. I walked upstairs only to be greeted by my dad with "That Sean Taylor guy died". It honestly felt like a knife ripped through me. I quickly went to the bathroom, feeling as though I was gonna cry.

It was on my mind all day. I tried to play it off like I was fine and whatnot, but inside I wasn't, and people around me could tell. I wasn't as outgoing today. I was quiet and kept to myself.

I came home and just sat and thought about life and how precious it is. I sit here right now still thinking about it while watching ESPN. I have tears in my eyes just ready to burst. I don't know WHY it's bothering me so much, since I'm not even a Redskins fan or didn't follow Taylor. I watch football every Sunday, and I'm used to seeing everyone. It's like a piece of the puzzle is gone, and it sucks.

Sorry for ranting guys.

[MJZiggy]

Don't apologize for a rant like that, and go have a good cry. Anyone who ever told you men shouldn't cry when they feel the need was full of shit.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You can sit here and tell us all about the stories of your relatives chasing would-be robbers around the neighborhood at various times of day all you want, Bigguns. The bottom line is that the people who broke into Taylor's house were not likely some vagrant addicts looking to supply their next high, such as the individual your dad ran off.

You are the one who assaulted my character and began this charade...and you falsely cling to racial stereotypes (the media only cares to report about "white suburban" problems, etc.) while degrading the valid opinions of others who you feel do not share your worldview.

I'm not saying they are drug addicts. But, regardless they would be looking for valuables found in a bedroom. Or if you and others are right, they are targetting Taylor..fine. But, until the facts are in, i prefer to simply watch and wait.

I thought in this country we are innocent until proven guilty. Guess i was wrong.

Media: Dude, that is indisputable. Go do some research through the Poynter Institute. I'm a white guy telling you that.

It isn't a racial issue. It so happens that it is a poor issue in regards to crack or blighted urban neighborhoods (and, why is that blacks or other minorities traditionally live in urban areas, historically speaking?) Aids wasn't a black issue. Same goes for Meth and Oxy. Wasn't a major story till it started to affect the suburbs.

I say a white suburban issue because that is who lives out there. If hispanics were the majority i would say the same. white is the adjective, the key word is suburbs. But, what is your problem with calling them white?

Are you going to tell me they aren't? We live in a mostly white country run by white folks who are also christian. Didn't say those white people are bad people.

Most people are interested in what goes on around them..locally. The typical attitude (not judging it wrong) is that if it doesn't affect me then why should i care. If your school district is good are you (plural) really that concerned with one 30 miles away that stinks? Prolly not.

We are concerned with our friends and family. Our little neck of the woods. Noting that doesn't make me falsely claiming racism, though to deny that there is racism is laughable.

[Rastak]

In Saint Paul several years back 3 kids broke into a house and when the owner came down the hallway to investigate, one of the little bastards actually shot him dead and they all ran. No reason needed.

In this case they thought the guy was dealing drugs and might have money, so why shoot him and run and get nothing?


Normal people can't get in the minds of sociopaths.

edit: On Mike and Mike they had Taylor's former attorny Sharpstein on and he relayed the story he was told directly by the girl friend. Main points I got was

1) Taylor locked the bedroom door then grabbed the knife.
2) GF was hiding under the covers with his daughter
3) Somebidy kicked in the door and fired two shots then fled.


This sure sounds like a cold blooded murder and not a burglary as others pointed out early on.

[Partial]

I agree with Ras. A burgular doesn't cut the phone lines.

[The Leaper]

I'm not saying they are drug addicts. But, regardless they would be looking for valuables found in a bedroom. Or if you and others are right, they are targetting Taylor..fine. But, until the facts are in, i prefer to simply watch and wait.

That's fine. I merely offered my suggestion that this did not appear to be the work of petty criminals looking to steal jewelry...mostly based on the reports of where Taylor was shot in his home. I have plenty of friends in law enforcement who I talk to regularly about their jobs and career. Getting shot in your bedroom is not common.

Yes, my entire take is SPECULATION. That is all anyone has at this point. If we all sit on the sidelines and wait for the facts to come out, why bother to frequent this forum and discuss anything? That is the point of DISCUSSION.

I thought in this country we are innocent until proven guilty. Guess i was wrong.

What does this have to do with anything? Who mentioned anything about someone being guilty? Are you talking about Taylor? Guilty in terms of what? I don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

Media: Dude, that is indisputable. Go do some research through the Poynter Institute. I'm a white guy telling you that.

The media is biased in terms of CLASS, not race. If you have money, it doesn't matter if you are white, black, or pinkish-orange...the media will take notice of you. If you don't have money, the media could care less about you.

Do you think poor white people in Kentucky get any media attention? Hell no. You are way off base if you want to play the race card in every situation and pretend you are Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

It isn't a racial issue. It so happens that it is a poor issue in regards to crack or blighted urban neighborhoods (and, why is that blacks or other minorities traditionally live in urban areas, historically speaking?) Aids wasn't a black issue. Same goes for Meth and Oxy. Wasn't a major story till it started to affect the suburbs.

What does any of this have to do with the Taylor situation? You are the only one making this a racial issue.

I say a white suburban issue because that is who lives out there.

Yep. Everyone in the suburbs is white and rich. All the blackies live in the inner city and have no hope. You lump everything into such wide generalizations that it is downright hilarious.

[The Leaper]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/27/AR2007112702680.html

Great article from Michael Wilbon. I agree 100% with him.

I'm not interested in making Taylor a villian in any way. There is no way that he deserved to be shot and killed, regardless of anything in his past or present.

However, everyone is responsible for their life choices. If Taylor's choices in life previously caused him to interact with some less than choice individuals, and that came back to haunt him, I can't feel all that sorry for him. The guy did have a history treading close to a violent culture. It seemed the birth of his daughter caused him to recognize he needed to pull back from that. Unfortunately, as Wilbon points out, that is harder to say than do.

You do reap what you sow.

Our culture still prefers to blame everything other than personal responsibility for every problem. Until that can be changed...until individuals learn from a very young age that THEY are responsible for their lives and actions, not the government or social status or race or class, tragedies like this will continue to be commonplace.

Sure...some will have it tougher than others. Life isn't fair. However, everyone born in the United States has it better than those who are born in Bangladesh or Rwanda. You have a chance to succeed here with hard work and determination. Taylor is an example of that. You also have a chance to throw it all away by concentrating on the negatives of society and blaming everything but yourself for the state of your life's circumstances. Unfortunately, Taylor also may become an example of that...even if he was turning over a new leaf, as many close to him are suggesting.

When your kids are hanging out with those who share such a negative view of life...remember Taylor. I think he would want you to remember him as well. Let his senseless death not be in vain. Be positive and look to how you can change the world for the better...not how the world is looking to stick it to you. That kind of worldview never results in something positive.