Sean Taylor Dies after shooting

[packers11]

To honor slain Taylor, Redskins use 10 men on first Bills play

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

Yea I saw that, to bad the stupid Bills ran right to were Taylor was "supposed" to be... They should have done a draw, or a short pass... I thought it was pretty classless of the Bills...

On the other hand, that was very nice of the Redskins to do that... It probably meant a lot to the family...

[Pacopete4]

see.. thats where ur wrong, the bills are out there fighting for the playoffs as are the skins.. yes, a player died and its horrible that its happened.. but those bills still have to play the game

[MJZiggy]

To honor slain Taylor, Redskins use 10 men on first Bills play

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

Yea I saw that, to bad the stupid Bills ran right to were Taylor was "supposed" to be... They should have done a draw, or a short pass... I thought it was pretty classless of the Bills...

On the other hand, that was very nice of the Redskins to do that... It probably meant a lot to the family...

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804b87d0

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I did put my opinion out there. I put out that those calling him a thug and saying his death was a related to his past behavior was reprehensible and way premature. I never thought he was a bad guy at all. DUI and not being a good employee doesn't make him a thug in my book. Brandishing a gun...again, not thug. Not smart, but in miami/the south, carrying a gun is pretty common.

LOL I'm sorry, how many people carry a handgun for protection ONLY?? Some, sure..but they are usually involved in law enforcement. Thugs, or wanna be thugs carry handguns.

The fact remains that I was right. I was right about him, and i was right not to speculate, and right not to play junior detective, right not to think that I could figure things out based on scant information. And, those that did, some of there assumptions were very racially based. Assuming he was a thug. From the ghetto. Doing bad things. Yet, none of those were true.

I'm glad you feel you were right about so much. But guess what.....even you will never know all the details so to state you were RIGHT in all your statements and speculations is BS. I know someone that took a wrap for armed robbery because of gang affiliation. He was guilty of the crime but surely could have gotten a "deal" with a plea bargain had he talked. The point is nobody knows all the details and to go on and on about how right you are is silly.

And, last but not least.....I saw nothing in anyone's opinion, speculation or anything else that was racially based. If you saw that, you were reading into stuff.

You are kidding yourself about carrying a gun. In the south, it is more common to have one than not. I was always looked upon strangely that I didn't have one..even at my house.

My ex-wife grandfather always had one in his car. Just to "show" people that he was serious.

Thugs: wrong. plenty of people carry guns. Ask the NRA.

Right: I never went on. Mad and others piled on when i said he wasn't a thug, that we had no proof of his wrong doing, etc.

You saw: That doesn't mean anything. Often white people aren't even aware of the prejudice/racial overtones that they are giving off. I talk with good folks all the time who casually say things like, "he tried to jew me down." Yet, they don't think there is anything wrong with that statement..and, don't really have a negative feeling about jews. yet, that is a very poor thing to state, perpetuates a negative stereotype, etc.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The fact remains that I was right. I was right about him, and i was right not to speculate, and right not to play junior detective, right not to think that I could figure things out based on scant information. And, those that did, some of there assumptions were very racially based. Assuming he was a thug. From the ghetto. Doing bad things. Yet, none of those were true.

You've seen my posts..you think i'm afraid to put my ass on the line. Get serious.

And, i was right about the internet, etc. Madtown, you will notice that i don't comment on things i don't know about. Discussions of chipsets, cars, stereos, how to build things, hdtv's, etc...I know nothing about..so i say nothing. But, you can bet when i speak on something i have a bit of knowledge or experience in that realm. I'm not saying i'm always right, but i'm not just wildly speculating. If you or others don't like that or the tone i take..well, i could say to bad..or i can work on that. But, you best listen and give pause.

I don't have a problem with you not manning up..you just piled on. Perhaps, next time you will hesitate to do so, especially in regards to me. And, you won't be so quick to base your assumptions on some idiot like Rolle or his mom. Mom. LOL. Have the time mom's think their son's are angels..and have no idea of what is really going on.

Sorry that people based things on their assumptions. Maybe next time I can just post "100% agree" while quoting your post and we won't have that problem.

When all is said and done I might say you where right but no one is avoiding "manning up". Looking like you are right. But if that changes you might consider "manning up" yourself.

Save the "piling on" cry. Comes off like you displaying weakness. Then I will lose respect for you like I have for Harlan. If the situations applies I will do the same thing that I did this time regardless of if it is you or not.

Perhaps people should think about their assumptions and why they have them. That is my point. Most of their assumptions were way off.

Manning up: Be glad to. As you have read, i'm more than willing to accept that the police have rushed and arrested 4 black men. Wow. that is shocking..guess they couldn't finds some illegal mexicans to blame. I have very little trust in them as well.

Piling on: I'm not saying i'm weak. I'm forgiving you as you didn't initiate. I'm just advising that you think before you pile on. Wouldn't want you to lose any more credibility..if that is possible.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

At this point, it appears this is the result of some highly inexperienced kids trying to rob a rich guy. Some things still don't add up to me, and hopefully the truth eventually comes to light. If these guys were certain no one was home, why were the phone lines cut? That doesn't add up. Who informed them Taylor was "rich"? What precisely was the conversation in that instance? Did someone try to get these kids to rob him on purpose? What about the prior robbery? Does that have any connection with these 4 guys who have been arrested?

It doesn't seem he was targeted personally at this point, although he does seem to have been targeted for being a rich guy who wasn't home a lot. There still be a whole lot more that comes out about this. Hopefully, it will tie up some of the loose ends.

Leaper,

I think by now you've prolly read more, and have answered some of your questions.

But, i posted this in another thread, thought this might give you something to think about.

But, let me give you a scenario that could lead up to the crime. Let's say 3 of them know about Taylor's pad. They are out, smoking/drinking/etc..who knows. They run into a 4th person. They are driving around, they are near Taylor's neighborhood, they start talking about Taylor's sweet pad. Now, those 3 may have not even been thinking about a crime. The 4th guy, who is more in tune with committing crimes..or just thinking about it..starts inquiring about the pad..and before you know it has talked about how easy it is to rob it. Voila. Robbery ensues.

All this tragedy can start with practically nothing.

[the_idle_threat]

You are kidding yourself about carrying a gun. In the south, it is more common to have one than not. I was always looked upon strangely that I didn't have one..even at my house.

My ex-wife grandfather always had one in his car. Just to "show" people that he was serious.

Thugs: wrong. plenty of people carry guns. Ask the NRA.

Tyrone is right about this one. Plenty of ordinary people---many of them NRA members---carry a gun or have one in the car for protection, at least occasionally.

In states where concealed carry licenses are available, people get them so that the possession is legal. Where concealed carry licenses are not available (like in Wisconsin) people carry anyway, or put one under the car seat anyway, if they're going to be in dangerous places. Certain areas of Milwaukee---some not far from where I live---qualify as such "dangerous places."

The old cliche goes: "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six."

And in several instances I can recall here in Wisconsin, otherwise law-abiding people have used illegally-concealed handguns to defend themselves and they were not charged at all by the D.A.

In one recent case, a pizza delivery driver actually was charged by the Milwaukee D.A. for violating the statewide concealed carry ban. After shooting an armed robber in self defense, he was told it was a justified shooting, but got a warning that he should stop carrying a gun so that he could be a sitting duck for future criminals, er I mean so that he would be in compliance with the law. He complied, and was promptly robbed a second time. The armed criminal beat him up pretty bad. He started carrying again, and was robbed at gunpoint a third time. He shot the criminal. The D.A. ruled it a justified shooting, but charged him this time under the concealed carry law, because a warning had already been given. The judge threw out the charges because the driver "clearly" needed the gun for self defense. The D.A. didn't appeal.

[Badgerinmaine]

To honor slain Taylor, Redskins use 10 men on first Bills play

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

I've never seen anything like that before, and I thought it was a classy thing for the Redskins to do.