Roster rehab, creative coaching lead to Packers' turnaround

[The Leaper]

11 pages...and the white hankey has finally been tossed.

[Lurker64]

I'm not sure that I agree with that. A LOT of DTs are considered impact players: Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, Shaun Rodgers, Ryan Pickett, and Tommy Harris is our division alone. All 5 of those guys are excellent players are pro-bowl level players (not Rodgers this year, though).

I'm not sure any of those guys are stars. They're impact players, certainly, and darn good players. But I wouldn't call them stars. How many Oakland Raiders fans will be able to say "Hey, that Ryan Pickett who plays for the Green Bay Packers, he's really good"? If you're really a star, casual fans from all sorts of teams know who you are and know you're really good.

Everybody knows that Peyton Manning is great, but not a lot of people know that Ryan Pickett is great; that's why the Indy QB is a star and our DT is not. Probably the only DT in the entire league that i'd say is really a star is Haynesworth, and that's because he's a terror but mostly because everybody knows this.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck I know you are upset about the Packers advancing to the NFC Championship game, but please don't take your anger out on me.

If your serious here then I suggest that you re-examine it Deputy Nutz.

You and Scott Campbell's stand on this possible direction I might take isn't very likely. Your game is to get rid of me here at Packerrats.To drive me away or otherwise eliminate woodbuck27.

You do so with such a ludicrous suggestion to take any credibility from me.

That's a pure example of the degree of hatred you have conjured up inside of yourselves against me. That's. . . if the case, so very sad.I'm not deserving of this and what really causes me to scratch my head is why are you going there? The suggestion I could hope for Packer loss's is simply stupid thinking on your part.

Not to say any of you are that or stupid but your hatred of me is clouding your minds.

I will never see eye to eye with you fellas.We are cut from different stock and have different values. We don't understand the word respect the same way. We are different in terms of tolerance for other's ways,ideas and opinions. That is alright as the number one problem in our world today is ignorance.

I don't judge any of you on this matter. I hope that y'all will grow - or learn to be stronger. I'm not against any of you but at the same time not for you. I understand the issue or problem better than any of you.

It's yours not mine. I'd help all of you in any way I may. I really think though that's a journey onto yourselves.

Good luck fellas.

In the meantime. I desire a truce. For the good of our Packer home (PackerRats) it's time for just that. Havn,t we side swiped one another enough.

Time to smarten up all around and give 100% support for our team.

I'm certainly pul;ling for the GREEN BAY PACKERS and no other team.

Please don't act the fool Nutz.Your not a bad fella deep down.You just6 need to act tough for some reason. I actually have demonstrated a lot of respect for your football knowledge. Your a decent analyst man.

Maybe your ready for the Pickem next season? Give that a try if you want to test yourself. It,s what seperates the men fr. the boys but the element of LUCK does play a part for or against some.That balances out though in my opinion.

Next season I intend to regain my Championship. I've learned fr. certain mistakes more this season. Come aboard and ensure I don't do so well as I have the past two seasons.

Why would I hope against the Packers? That's almost funny if it wasn't so ridiculous a suggestion. That,s why my analysis says you are out to get me here. Forget that fellas.I'm at home here at Packerrats and this forum will have to go down before I retire fr. it.

Have y'all got that?

I'm before any ego issue a Packer fan and been one for far too long to not hope for some respect. i won't gwet that fr. any of you three or four as your blinded in yourselves.We have a classic personality clash issue. Too bad? NO!!! That's LIFE.

For either of you (Scott Campbell and Deputy Nutz) or anyone else here to suggest I would hope for the Packers to fail is simply stupid. Sorry for my bluntness.

I couldn't possibly hope against the team I love with a real passion. When you celebrate being a Packer fan for 50 years mabe you'll have grown to realize the ridiculousness of that accusation againstt my character and personality.

For now. Smarten the HELL up!! Your looking really bad fellas.

[woodbuck27]

You know, its almost like I wish the Pack had got Moss and he performed like he usually does, just to shut up Woody.

Woody, can you prove that we would be better off with Moss than we are right now? If not, then STFU!

Also, I want to know how you know that TT wanted Moss but was only half in the game. Sure, TT probably would have like to land Randy Moss, but why is it that you believe he doesn't have the stones to pull off the big deal. With the devolpment of our receiver I firmly believe that TT just decided to pass on Moss and go with what he had 100% confident that Jennings, Jones, Driver, Martin, and Robinson were gonna do just fine. Guess what he was right. TT isn't a fan of free agency and trading. He believes in building his teams from the draft. Maybe you prefer the other way, there's really nothing wrong with that. But there's nothing wrong with doing things his way either. It has gotten past annoying that some people refuse to accept a way different that what they might do. Intolerance is an ugly thing.










By the way I was only kidding about the intolerance part. I just wanted to fit in by making an extremely outragous statement.

It was very clearly laid out for us that TT went to bed Saturday night or early Sunday AM and thought he had made thne deal with Oakland to secure Randy Moss.

What he thought and what was are the issue I havwe with him on the Randy Moss question.

I'mm entirely focused on that bidding war with whomever and how TT conducted himself in that.

I won,t go to how well Randy moss has done or woukld that performance have translated as well or close to that in Green Bay.

My issue with TT is confined to him not following up properly on his last offer of a late 4th round pick and thinking that was good enough.

READ -READ -READ this please and then try to understand my criticismv without bringing down all the ignorance and crap.

K?

[woodbuck27]

Here's your shovel Woody.

See there we go.

More gang on the lone man bullying mentality. Congratulations.You may go straight back to the Dark Ages. Get a grip please.

I stand alone and I'll defend it all alone and do so very well Packer fans. A lot of you are out to lunch now. Use your brains please.

Jumping on the bandwagon with somwe pseudo hormonal rush?

Pathetic example of just how wrong this society has become. Make fools of yourselves. Bring it on.

[woodbuck27]

I actually thought Harrell played a pretty good game the other day. He deserves some credit for holding the point of attack, exactly what he was asked to do.

I agree Partial that he showed me as a Packer fan some potential.

[woodbuck27]

Now !

How about that truce? We have a huge game coming up. The Giants to defeat.

We're starting to act like the Catholics and the Protestants of Belfast Ireland. Not Packer fans all of us.

PACKERS FOREVER!

[Deputy Nutz]

Now !

How about that truce? We have a huge game coming up. The Giants to defeat.

We're starting to act like the Catholics and the Protestants of Belfast Ireland. Not Packer fans all of us.

PACKERS FOREVER!

I will give you your truce, and the fact is I really do not want to waste any more of my time on this subject, I will not argue on this topic until the post season of 2008 begins, as for the verbal warfare, I will back off, although you did refer to me as a nazi.

[RashanGary]

Woodbuck, the Packers had a higher #4 than New England. NE ended up getting him for less than the Packers offered. Why? Because Randy Moss had an exporbanant contract that nobody in the NFL was willing to eat. Any team trading any thing for Randy was doing it knowing Randy was going to renegotiate. With this in mind, Randy had power.

With his bargaining power he chose NE. The Packers probably could have swooped in with more money (If Randy ever gave them the chance to counter offer). That may have been a mistake but then again do you really want someone that wants to be somewhere else? It was a tough move, but I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it.

I was upset that he didn't get Moss and I'd call us the SB favorite if we had him. Hindsight, TT may have made a mistake (depending on how everything unfolded). It was a tough choice that most GM's accross the league thought was an easy one. They didn't even get in the discussion. Ted and one other GM did. Ultimately he made the wrong choice (or was victim of Randy's change of heart) and it hurts (more because NE is damn near unstoppable now) but at the end of the day, you can't really be too hard on the guy for the one move tha tdidn't pan out (esspecially when he was only one of two GM's on the right tack). Most everything else has worked out over the long run. What mroe can you ask for?

[RashanGary]

If the Packers beat the Patriots, it will be against all odds. Against a great QB in his prime and the most dynamic WR ever to play the game, who is also playing at the best level of his career.

I don't think anything is settled. The Packers could win the SB this year and even then the Moss thing will have been a mistake (assuming TT has as much control as some people here assume) but you have to see the good too. There has been a lot more good than bad.

[4and12to12and4]

I actually thought Harrell played a pretty good game the other day. He deserves some credit for holding the point of attack, exactly what he was asked to do.

Harrell has been excellent at holding the point so far, at least since coming back from his midseason injury. He definitely has the physical skills to be a player in this league, and he even has flashed a couple of times as a pass rusher. He does need to spend a lot of time on technique and more time in the weight room this offseason. But he's definitely not a Jamal Reynolds type. He may never be a star, but he could be as good as Ryan Pickett (also a first round pick.)

I think he can be better than Pickett because he has a more balanced body. He is big, but doesn't carry a gigantic gut around, and that means he can move faster and last longer. He still has a very high ceiling, remember how average Mario looked last year, now look at him, he ended up with a shitload of sacks only in his second year. Year three and four is when you can really evaluate what you've got, defensive guys like that are at their best when they are at full confidence and don't have to think, they can just react.

[SkinBasket]

Now !

How about that truce? We have a huge game coming up. The Giants to defeat.

We're starting to act like the Catholics and the Protestants of Belfast Ireland. Not Packer fans all of us.

PACKERS FOREVER!

You Canadians and your white flags....

I only respond to you when I see something stupid. Be smarter.

WHAT?!!?!

No really. I think we can solve this if we move the conjecture into the lobby and meet the people from the other side of town.

DRINK IT DOWN!!

I don't hate the woodbuck. The woodbuck loves the woodchuck who completed the cunning stunt.

Let's adjourn this meeting until February.

No more nasties Woody cheese, and the mousies wont nibble your knees.

Group hug. Leg hump. Milk shake.

[Scott Campbell]

I stand alone and I'll defend it all alone and do so very well Packer fans.

Some people stand alone righteously to defend something honorable. Other people stand alone simply because they are assholes. You're just an asshole Woody. You don't need a truce. You need to quit being an asshole.

[Deputy Nutz]

I stand alone and I'll defend it all alone and do so very well Packer fans.

Some people stand alone righteously to defend something honorable. Other people stand alone simply because they are assholes. You're just an asshole Woody. You don't need a truce. You need to quit being an asshole.

Scott I accepted the truce and I sort of see myself as a bad ass rightous leader and alpa dog of this forum, after all I am a heavy hitter around here so I took the truce for all of us against Woody. The last thing I want is for Woody to leave.

[MJZiggy]

Hmmm....I wonder if Nutz realizes that the alpha male in any dog pack is usually ruled over by the alpha female...