Roster rehab, creative coaching lead to Packers' turnaround

[woodbuck27]

TT did little to help us in the off season and this time next week we very well may be here realizing just how accurate that stance is. That's my position as I've seen it transpire Nutz. I'm entitled to it as I certainly put my time in here at Packerrats watching TT's thin paint dry.

He had a sleepy off season and did little to support 13-3. The entire NFL community would more than less agree with that statement but not YOU Nutz.

The problem is that this is a very superficial view. Did TT do much in the off-season? The fact is, he did what he needed to do. TT's objective is to have the Packers win games. I don't think you understand that. That has been accomplished. TT does not owe us fans 'excitement' in the off-season. He needs to make the Packers a better team. Period. The act of signing FAs does not make your team better.

I believe that most in the NFL community feel that TT had a very successful off-season.

How could he screw up?

He didn't do very much at all. He certainly needed to go all out and getr moss though and that is something that no TT supporter will ever be able to argue against without the stammer.

TT wanted Randy Moss but as usual he was only part way in the game.

The GM in training shot I make at him, particularly applies in the failure to secure Moss. Anyone that argues that we would be weaker with Randy Moss has far too many issues for me to ever deal with as simply a member of this fantastic Packer fan forum that I'm so proud to be a member of.

The one solid move was to go out and get some kind of RB as it was obvious we were in trouble with B. Jackson and Morency. I am observing people here actually suggesting an extention for Morency and I ask why?

Ohhh I see. I'm gettting it now. Doing as little as possible in Green Bay gets the reward. Jeeeeee it's all so backward compsred to the society I was raised in and understand.

In Green Bay. Less is more and nothing is a lot.

NEAT!? NO!!

Confusing pour moi.

[woodbuck27]

TT did little to help us in the off season and this time next week we very well may be here realizing just how accurate that stance is. That's my position as I've seen it transpire Nutz. I'm entitled to it as I certainly put my time in here at Packerrats watching TT's thin paint dry.

He had a sleepy off season and did little to support 13-3. The entire NFL community would more than less agree with that statement but not YOU Nutz.

The problem is that this is a very superficial view. Did TT do much in the off-season? The fact is, he did what he needed to do. TT's objective is to have the Packers win games. I don't think you understand that. That has been accomplished. TT does not owe us fans 'excitement' in the off-season. He needs to make the Packers a better team. Period. The act of signing FAs does not make your team better.

I believe that most in the NFL community feel that TT had a very successful off-season.

The problem with Woody's argument is that the entire NFL community was dead wrong about how the Packers would do this year, unless I missed all those people who were picking the Packers to go 13-3. Therefore, by extension, they were dead wrong about what needed to be done to improve the team. TT knew how good his team was, even if almost no one else did.

That is a strong post and argument. Congratulations Packer fan.

I can accept that style Joemailman. It's based in intelligence and composed. Not tainted with Gestapo (slash) fashist tactics or smallness based in inmature or low life derision.

Nice Job Man.

Packers Forever.

PACKERS FOREVER!!

[Deputy Nutz]

Y'all should take a better look inward on yourselves. To disagree is human. To have strong difference of opinion isn't abnormal and hopefully healthy and an assist to grow. TO LEARN MORE WITH AN OPEN MIND.

Brother Woody - preaching to the masses - he who's shit does not stink.


What an egomaniac.

I would love to meet you face to face chump.

Be careful Scott, He is bringing his Canadian bitches to that Rumble

[SkinBasket]

"I would love to meet you face to face chump."

[Carolina_Packer]

You forgot about Merlin.

I think Merlin gives him some credit, and perhaps even Woody.

I'm assuming you don't read their posts.

As for Merlin, he does have this in his signature line after changing it from one that was more down on TT. It now reads: "TT gets some credit for the success this season, Jennings, Jones, Woodson, & signing players that perform to extensions. He deserves credit for our inability to run the ball, poor OL, mediocre defense, lack of depth accept at DL, 2 - 1st round draft picks that do not contribute, Manual, & almost no veteran depth."

As for Woody, he does go on repetitively about some of the same arguments, like Moss and free agent inactivity and will defend his arguments to the hilt, mostly against people who get annoyed with him and either tell him to shut up, people who give him a hard time or both. I've never seen Woody make a definitive statement that TT hasn't done anything right. It's implied, and I get that, but he has not totally condemned him. I do wish he would acknowledge that there is more than one way to build a team successfully. Sure, you can sign free agents, but as Joe said, if you are comfortable with what you have and want to see it develop, why sign a free agent just to sign a free agent? The only one that turns out would have made Green Bay a better team is Randy Moss. It's easy to beat someone up after the fact. There was a chance for him to go to NE and be his old self, although I think if he came to GB he might have been a good citizen, especially after he saw the team winning after the first few weeks.

I will say this about Woody. A few months back there was an ugly thread about Koren Robinson where people were questioning other people's ability to forgive and show a Christian attitude and demeanor towards someone else. If you can extend "forgiveness" and a second chance attitude toward Robinson, Woody, why can't you do the same for TT and the mistake he made for not signing Moss? People, even GM's make mistakes. I'm sure he'd like to have Randy now, but he can't. So you have a choice. Either keep beating up this issue and TT for this issue of Moss, or move on and forgive him. I'll leave it to you and your beliefs to decide which choice is the best one.

[Deputy Nutz]

Every week that Randy Moss demonstrates to us his outstanding skills and leadership and his creditable attitude towords winning for the NE Patriots. Places more emphasis on the fact that Ted Thompson blew that one BIG TIME.

This is part of the reasoning most of us see in the risk of Randy Moss, he is doing this all for New England, he has changed his attitude for NEW ENGLAND!!! His attitude in Minneapolis was turning on the Vikings and forced them to trade on of the best all time receivers in the game to the Raiders who in two years saw him totally quit on his team and the franchise to where they had to pawn him off for a second day pick in the 2007 draft. He had proven time and time again that he was a cancer that could kill a team, not build the team off his so claimed leadership, or even the fact that his ability should have just made others better.

The funny thing is Woody, at the time I was pissed that the Packers led by GM Ted Thompson didn't pull the trigger with Randy Moss, and that was only if the Packers were on a level playing field with Moss, I know there were reports claiming that Randy would only restructure his deal with New England and all that.

You claim that there was no risk, and that is where you were wrong. I agree with you that with Randy Moss the reward out paced the risk, but amazingly enough life in Green Bay succeeded without Randy Moss. If Moss was brought in to Green Bay and was the player he is with New England then without a doubt this team would have been better, maybe it wouldn't have shown in the win column but it still would have had a better core of talent.

But honestly to judge Thompson on this one decision is ridiculous, it is like judging Wolf on the selection of Ross Verba, Jon Michaels, Terrell Buckely, Antwaun Edwards, Jamal Reynolds, and Bubba Franks. Some have been average players others have bombed completely, some where busts while in Green Bay that contributed very little but went on to have productive careers. I could have been so angry and disenfranchised with some of those picks that I could have failed to realize that Ron Wolf landed the biggest free agent ever in Reggie White, that he made a great move in signing Santana Dotson, and traded Matt LaBounte for Eugene Robinson. I could have even over looked the fact that he traded a first round pick for some hillbilly from Mississippi in 1992, a Qb that the lowly Falcons couldn't even use.

My simple observation is that all GMs no matter how great or terrible make mistakes at some time, in fact for every hit, there is probably a mistake.

Like him or not, Your the judge of your own opinions gramps

[Zool]

Moss....did....not....want....to....play....in...G reen....Bay

[Deputy Nutz]

Moss....did....not....want....to....play....in...G reen....Bay

I agree with this partly, He didn't really have the choice in who he was going to play for, he did have the choice who he was going to re-negotiate with and that was probably a deciding factor in TT walking away from the table.

I know that Bus Cook represents Rand Moss and we all know that Cook in not only the agent for Favre but his closest friend as well. It was one of the reasons why Favre thought a deal would work out between Green Bay and Randy Moss.

[Zool]

I agree with this partly, He didn't really have the choice in who he was going to play for, he did have the choice who he was going to re-negotiate with and that was probably a deciding factor in TT walking away from the table.

Now if you could just tatoo this on woody's arm so he can look down every time he wants to start the exact same post again, that would be great.

[woodbuck27]

I made my points to you Woody, and I told you and everyone else that I was finished discussing this issue with you because frankly, I can't beat stupid, now discuss whatever else you would like with me and I will be more than pleasant, but I am done discussing this issue with you because the only other way of dealing with the blind is to make fun of them and ridicule them. Now leave it alone before you alienate yourself anymore.

What are you Nutz the leader of some pseudo-fashist movement at Packer Rats? You may order your wife and kids around but not me junior. Get a grip Nutz. . sil vour plait.

Let's just go here. We don't like one another never have and never will. That may or may not play a part in the extremes differences in our view of TT. You fancy yourself as some heavy here at packerrats and i see you as just a guy.

I'll enlighten you Nutz.Your no better man than I am. I hope your near as good.

To review my position and it's just that Nutz:

For anyone to laud TT with heaps of praise based on our record (13-3) after the off season he had simply baffels me. That's what makes the world spin.The differences in peoples views and it's all just there Nutz. Why take it to such extremes of hatred and piss all over yourself with pettiness? Have you no pride in a healthy sense Nutz?

You don't have to mimmic Scott Campbell. That poor fella is severely challenged.

Nutz:

TT did little to help us in the off season and this time next week we very well may be here realizing just how accurate that stance is. That's my position as I've seen it transpire Nutz. I'm entitled to it as I certainly put my time in here at Packerrats watching TT's thin paint dry.

He had a sleepy off season and did little to support 13-3. The entire NFL community would more than less agree with that statement but not YOU Nutz.

Some other's here are all over TT as GOLDEN as well. OK!

I choose to see it differently. Woe is me? The black sheep - that dasterdly Canadian? NO!! Hardly. I'm just a Packer fan and have been dedicated to that for well 50 years next season. I'm also a man trhat loves to observe or study the NFL. The proof of that is my performance the past twio season,s in the Pro Pickem and how that compares to all NFL experts.

I'm not aware of any NFL expert that has picked more winners in those two seasons as I have. I put my money where my mouth is or I always back myself up.

NO regarding Ted Thompson. I know what I've seen. Are you wrong Nutz? No!

Am I wrong in what I see. Again. NO!! I have my view and I will hold onto it.

That's my right Nutz.

To everyone on this forum that's my Democratic right.

Thanks for proving my point that you can't argue stupid! I guess in Canada you have the right to free health care and stupidity. How do you buy your stupidity Woody? Caseload, or in capsule form?

I love how you try to get aggressive in your posts by calling people that disagree with you "Junior" or "Sonny". Save that shit for the male nurses that vaseline your ass pipe for your old ass case of hemorrhoids,

"Hey Sonny can't you get any deeper than that."

"Hey dere Junior, how about lubing my exit hole for ole' time sakes."

Sad thing is Junior the male nurse at the government funded nursing facility is like everyone else, he doesn't know whether to shove a glob of vaseline in your mouth or up your poop shoot.

Hey NUTZ:

Nice PROMO for your GARBAGE CAN.

That was an excellent thing for people lie you. TRASH talk mandatory?

[woodbuck27]

Sorry but I have to do something else but I want to respond to all of this.

GO PACK GO !

[SkinBasket]

That was an excellent thing for people lie you. TRASH talk mandatory?

OOOOhhhhhhhh!!! Them is fightin' words! Or maybe not.... It's hard to tell when no one knows what the fuck you're trying to say.

[woodbuck27]

That was an excellent thing for people lie you. TRASH talk mandatory?

OOOOhhhhhhhh!!! Them is fightin' words! Or maybe not.... It's hard to tell when no one knows what the fuck you're trying to say.

You know exactly what I'm saying and where I'm standing wise guy (NOT).

Why are you so angry?

PACKERS FOREVER.

[woodbuck27]

Y'all should take a better look inward on yourselves. To disagree is human. To have strong difference of opinion isn't abnormal and hopefully healthy and an assist to grow. TO LEARN MORE WITH AN OPEN MIND.

Brother Woody - preaching to the masses - he who's shit does not stink.


What an egomaniac.

I would love to meet you face to face chump.

Be careful Scott, He is bringing his Canadian bitches to that Rumble

No man! Why are you so classless?

I was just thinking I'd enjoy meeting Scott to observe the marriage between the what appears in this thread to be ' the Village Idiot and a Jackass '.

Now of course I could be way out in left field here? Maybe not!

[Scott Campbell]

I would love to meet you face to face chump.

That's because you're a masochist.