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  • #16
    Interesting that Clemens never answers the question of "what do you want me to do."

    Your story has more and less to it than the espn version:

    <begin>
    One of McNamee's lawyers, Earl Ward, told Andrew Marchand of ESPN 1050 radio in New York that "the tape adds absolutely nothing."

    The New York Daily News also reported on Monday that days before the scheduled release of the Mitchell report Clemens' investigators asked McNamee whether he would be willing to recant.

    McNamee reportedly called Clemens and Pettitte to warn them that he had spoken to the government. During an interview on "60 Minutes" which aired on Sunday night, Clemens denied knowing that he would be named by Mitchell.

    </end>

    Clemens is gonna get caught in his web of lies. Attorney friend speculates that Clemens filed his lawsuit so he wouldn't be able to fully testify. Kinda thing where he can say, "i can't comment as i have ongoing lawsuit it could affect."

    BTW, couple of things. In Canseco's book, which at this moment looks like the most truthful thing out there, the term b-12 is used for juice by ballplayers.

    At this stage we have a he said/he said type of situation. We can gather all the evidence we want and determine the likelihood McNamee is telling the truth. We can compare that to the likelihood Clemens is telling the truth. But all that would give us is percentages.

    Another McNamee client, Andy Pettitte, has copped to the performance-enhancer usage McNamee described. That gives McNamee credibility, and hurts Clemens' credibility. We can look at Clemens' body, and look at his freakish ability to dominate at an age when most pitchers are done and say that fact hurts Clemens' credibility.

    We can play this game all day. But we'll never get more than percentages of truth.

    That's where the legal system comes in. Now, I am not naive enough to think that raising your right hand guarantees that a witness will spill his guts and tell the truth. But I do know that it's a pretty good impetus to stick with the facts. Perjury charges are a drag. Barry could tell Roger about that.

    Ideally, if McNamee lied about Clemens, the legal system would come into play immediately. Clemens would sue McNamee, not so much for money, but to save his reputation. As part of McNamee's deal with prosecutors, if he is found to have lied, he will go to jail. So put him on the witness stand. And put Clemens on the witness stand, get him under oath, remind him that perjury is a crime, and let him give his side.

    If Clemens did nothing wrong, the legal system is his best hope for salvation. Say it under oath, and your credibility spikes upward.

    Clemens' lawyer, Rusty Hardin, said in a press conference that he won't take such a tack. "I hope you don't tell future clients of mine this, but a lawsuit is the least desirable way to resolve anything," Hardin says. "It drags on two or three years, very often it reaches inconclusive results because of money and time and expenses. It makes you unable to concentrate on anything else. It takes over your life, and he doesn't need that."

    This is a very bizarre statement. Clemens is done with baseball. His only challenge now is salvaging his reputation. When Hardin says a lawsuit would make Clemens unable to concentrate on anything else, you have to wonder, what else does he have to concentrate on? Is Clemens, as Hardin suggests, worried about money and expenses? The guy made nearly $18 million for half a season's work last year. How is it that money could even remotely be an issue when the legitimacy of everything Clemens accomplished is being called into question?

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    • #17
      Re: Roger Clemens and steroids

      Originally posted by Kiwon
      Clemens denies he did steroids. I believe him.

      Am I being naive?
      It's pretty obvious he has signs and symptoms of pernicious anemia.

      Vitamin B12–deficiency anemia develops when your body can't make enough healthy red blood cells because it doesn't have enough vitamin B12. Learn about its’ causes, symptoms, and treatments.



      Hence the B-12 injections.
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      • #18
        Re: Roger Clemens and steroids

        Originally posted by Kiwon
        Clemens denies he did steroids. I believe him.

        Am I being naive?
        imo.....yes
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #19
          Never cared for the in the first place, and now after watching 95% of the interview, I loath him.
          Pompous comes to mind
          The Bottom Line:
          Formally Numb, same person, same views of M3

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          • #20
            I believe he did. The interview made him look more guilty in my opinion. His avoidance and anger in responding to some of Wallace's fair questions made him look like he was hiding something. Now if he had given the same angry interview that he did the day after 60 minutes about four weeks ago I would have given him the benefit of the doubt. Waiting so long to get fired up and give interviews looks bad, and would make sense if you were hiding something. Sorry Roger, not looking good at all.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MJZiggy
              Well, here's a question: Clemens has had a very long career and he's quite old. Do steroids keep you going longer, in essence preserving youth, or does the chemical reaction in your body make you stronger in the short term but break the body down more quickly. If it's the latter, I might be hard pressed to believe that if he did them, he did them for very long. If it's the former, I'm less certain about it.

              They'll stay with you only for a time, lose them long enough, lose the benefits. The stories you hear about breaking the body down are more applicable to lontime users than here and there's like Clemens may have been. They help muscle grow stronger and larger, help the body heal faster (injury or post workout-so you can get back on the field quicker, or in the gym sooner and more frequently, why roid users can get bigger faster), and help the body to preserve muscle if you are overtrained, malnourished, not taking good care of youself. All in all they can be extremely beneficial to a pro pitcher up there in years. In my opinion they are much more helpful to a pitcher than a hitter because of what they do for you. Would help velocity and stamina, and would be especially helpful in avoidance and reapir of injuries, something that seems to catch up with all ballplayers as the year goes on. They do nothing for a couch potato, must be combined with an excellent training regimen to get best results, no need to mention that Roger definitely did that. I'd like to believe he didn't, but I believe he did take them. It's his reaction to everything, not the physical skills he still shows off that makes me no believe him. Nolan Ryan was doing the same amazing things as an old guy on the mound, clean I believe. Roger, not so sure anymore.

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              • #22
                Thanks for answering my question and welcome to the forum.
                "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by MJZiggy
                  Thanks for answering my question and welcome to the forum.
                  Thanks. JSO forum is coming to an end, Bretsky convinced me this was the place to go, I remember you and many others from JSO (pre rats). Look forward to plenty of normal, non-abusive talk.

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                  • #24
                    Bretsky was right (though we do abuse Tank for a while whenever he shows up).
                    "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by MJZiggy
                      Bretsky was right (though we do abuse Tank for a while whenever he shows up).
                      the grief that you and the rest of the Tankless bunch dish-out repetitively is so boring and lame, year after year. Tank wears his peculiarities on his sleave, and people just keep taking the bait. Making fun of Tank is like criticizing Richard Simmon's faggy red shorts. Or calling Jackie Gleason a fatty. Or shooting fish in barrell.

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                      • #26
                        So do something better, you wet-nosed mongrel!

                        (so much for non-abusive )
                        "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                        • #27
                          honestly, there isn't that much to make fun of Tank for. It's all old material.

                          Most people who dislike Tank, like KY, just ignore him now. I don't think Zool was around in the old days, so his Tank indignation has a freshness. Hope he gets tired soon.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                            honestly, there isn't that much to make fun of Tank for. It's all old material.

                            Most people who dislike Tank, like KY, just ignore him now. I don't think Zool was around in the old days, so his Tank indignation has a freshness. Hope he gets tired soon.
                            My suggestion to anyone over at JSO when Tank started in with his schpiel (sp?) was to imagine Tank was Dwight Schrute (The Office) as you read his posts. If you know Dwight Schrute's mannerisms and personality this actually turns out to be a pretty entertaining, sometimes hilarious distraction.

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                            • #29
                              Isn't it something?? Now Clemens' ambulance chaser lawyer is kind of backing away from saying Clemens will testify before Congress.

                              What an absolute puke. Obviously he doesn't want a perjury charge slammed on him like Marion Jones, huh?
                              -digital dean

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                                Originally posted by MJZiggy
                                Bretsky was right (though we do abuse Tank for a while whenever he shows up).
                                the grief that you and the rest of the Tankless bunch dish-out repetitively is so boring and lame, year after year. Tank wears his peculiarities on his sleave, and people just keep taking the bait. Making fun of Tank is like criticizing Richard Simmon's faggy red shorts. Or calling Jackie Gleason a fatty. Or shooting fish in barrell.
                                Something we agree on.

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