Wisconsin Primary

[The Leaper]

I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody.

I saw this article as well.

Once I saw the sentence I quoted above, I stopped reading because the author clearly has an agenda and doesn't bother to research facts.

The exit polling done by CNN recently showed that the CLINTON supporters overwhelmingly would be more unhappy if their candidate did not win than the OBAMA supporters...and less likely to support the nominee if it wasn't their candidate.

So, how can this person possibly suggest Obama's camp wants their candidate to win more than Clinton's?

[swede]

Some people blame the US Supreme Court for handing Bush the election. All they decided is that the Florida Supreme Court could not act unconstitutionally in an effort to find 550 votes for Al Gore.

Several investigations have shown that Bush was going to win even if a recount was done. So in that sense, the Supreme Court decision didn't matter.

The U.S. Supreme Court contradicted the Florida Supreme Court, saying 5-4 that doing a recount was unconstitutional. This was an outrageous, politically motivated action by the 5 members of the Supreme Court that fancy themselves as enemies of judicial activism.
The court disgraced themselves, it's a low point that will be remembered like the Dred Scott pro-slavery decision.

To contend that the 5 members of SCOTUS were acting as political hacks in that instance rather than acting responsibly in enforcing the ELECTORAL RULES OF THE CONSTITUTION is silly. The shame is that the other four justices actually were acting politically rather than enforcing constitutional law. The four dissenting justices are an enduring reminder to conservatives of the consequences of seating Supreme Court judges who consider themselves and their elite points of view as superior to the constitution they are supposed to consult and protect.

[The Leaper]

Clinton's waiting for Texas & Ohio strategy is starting to have the faint wiff of Giuliani's waiting for Florida master plan.

I would agree on that. Continual losses don't make you look like a better candidate.

However, Clinton's strength with the less educated/Hispanics does give her a very good chance of winning in Texas and Ohio...which hold a huge number of delegates. Obama's strengths with blacks and the highly educated make Hillary's chances in the Potomac region pretty slim.

It is amazing how split down the middle this country is...both overall and in both parties. There seems to be equal numbers of far left crazies, moderate Dems, moderate Reps, and far right crazies. I don't know whether this is bad or good, but it makes for interesting politics.

[The Leaper]

The U.S. Supreme Court contradicted the Florida Supreme Court, saying 5-4 that doing a recount was unconstitutional.

As others have pointed out...because it WAS unconstitutional.

I'm hardly suggesting that what happened in 2000 was proper, or that the entire electoral and voting process is fine and dandy. The election was screwed up...and so is the entire process still to this day.

However, allowing a court to overturn standing laws (i.e. LEGISLATE when that is not their role as defined by the Constitution) would have been a greater assault to the Constitution than the 2000 election was.

[SkinBasket]

The country didn't riot in the streets after the Dred Scott decision either. Or the "Seperate but Equal" travesty. But thoughtful people know the score.

Yeah. They know there's a buttload of crazies like you equating things like this with a straight face.

Harlan please stop with the "crazy" anti American babble. Fucking traitor.

It's not anti-American. It's just dumb.

[SkinBasket]

Skinbasket's attempt to sweep the whole thing under the carpet is funny.

Only as funny as it is sad that people like yourself just can't let the 2000 election go and feel the need to make out the court's decision as some great disaster in American history based on nothing more than your political views and beliefs. You ignore the facts of the case and try to use moral and emotional equivocations as smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that every suggested remedy was unconstitutional. But what's the Constitution when politics is on the line right?

Calling the actions of the US Supreme Court "activist' is also another classic example of ignoring the fact they were simply overturning actual unconstitutional activism by the Florida Supreme Court. You don't get to call striking down "activist" decisions by the Florida SC as somehow activist itself.

I haven't swept anything under the carpet. I explained the court's decision to you but you're happier making some kind of doom and gloom end-of-democracy Nostradamus event out of it. It's been 8 years Harlan. Where's the black cloud of death over the court?

It's time to let it go Harlan. Gore lost, and nothing the Florida Supreme Court attempted to do after the fact, and in blatant disregard of the Constitution, could help him.

[Zool]

Skinbasket's attempt to sweep the whole thing under the carpet is funny.

Only as funny as it is sad that people like yourself just can't let the 2000 election go and feel the need to make out the court's decision as some great disaster in American history based on nothing more than your political views and beliefs. You ignore the facts of the case and try to use moral and emotional equivocations as smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that every suggested remedy was unconstitutional. But what's the Constitution when politics is on the line right?

Calling the actions of the US Supreme Court "activist' is also another classic example of ignoring the fact they were simply overturning actual unconstitutional activism by the Florida Supreme Court. You don't get to call striking down "activist" decisions by the Florida SC as somehow activist itself.

I haven't swept anything under the carpet. I explained the court's decision to you but you're happier making some kind of doom and gloom end-of-democracy Nostradamus event out of it. It's been 8 years Harlan. Where's the black cloud of death over the court?

It's time to let it go Harlan. Gore lost, and nothing the Florida Supreme Court attempted to do after the fact, and in blatant disregard of the Constitution, could help him.

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[Harlan Huckleby]

The four dissenting justices are an enduring reminder to conservatives of the consequences of seating Supreme Court judges who consider themselves and their elite points of view as superior to the constitution they are supposed to consult and protect.

except in these two decisions it was the dissenters who were acting as conservatives!

the argument to apply the Equal Protection Clause to halt the recount was thin at best. (A much stronger case can be made that the voting mechanisms themselves were unequal, but the court didn't invalidate the vote!) For a supposedly conservative court to intervene on this basis was political and hypocritical in the extreme.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's time to let it go Harlan. Gore lost, and nothing the Florida Supreme Court attempted to do after the fact, and in blatant disregard of the Constitution, could help him.

I said up front that I thought Gore would have lost had there been a recount.

The "blatant disregard for the consitution" was that the recount was not done in a sufficiently uniform manner across the state. Come on, you're not stupid, this is a technical and strained argument. And this in an enviroment where the supposedly constitutionally valid vote itself was collected in a GROSSLY flawed and unequal manner!

I have not agonized over this ordeal, in fact I pretty much forgot about it until I refreshed my memory today. I don't know how this malfeasance stacks up against other Supreme Court turkeys, but surely this one was a doozy.

[SkinBasket]

And this in an enviroment where the supposedly constitutionally valid vote itself was collected in a GROSSLY flawed and unequal manner!

This is true. But that doesn't give the courts, state or federal, the right to attempt to fix the system after the vote, violate the Constitution, and ignore legislated law, no matter how noble their stated intentions may be.

BTW, Zool, that's the best photo I've seen in months. I'm especially fond of the lady on the right. Big girls like to have fun too.

[Harlan Huckleby]

And this in an enviroment where the supposedly constitutionally valid vote itself was collected in a GROSSLY flawed and unequal manner!

This is true. But that doesn't give the courts, state or federal, the right to attempt to fix the system after the vote, violate the Constitution, and ignore legislated law, no matter how noble their stated intentions may be.

????? They weren't trying to fix the system. They were doing a recount.

Recounts are not an extraordinary event in elections. Halting a recount is.

[SkinBasket]

Recounts are not an extraordinary event in elections.

You're trying to tell me you blocked this out too?

[Harlan Huckleby]

BTW, one of the hall monitors here evidently deleted the Obamaway logo from my .SIG.

the joke has gotten tired, was planning on deleting it myself. But a PM would be nice when the censors wield their swords.

[SkinBasket]

Halting a recount is.

Stop editing while I'm responding. Anyway, most recount efforts don't run afoul of the Constitution, so yes you're right, halting one is unusual.

[SkinBasket]

BTW, one of the hall monitors here evidently deleted the Obamaway logo from my .SIG.

the joke has gotten tired, was planning on deleting it myself. But a PM would be nice when the censors wield their swords.

Just make a poll about it so we can all see it again. I didn't look at it. What was in violation of the imaginary rules?