Wisconsin Primary

[Harlan Huckleby]

Halting a recount is.

Stop editing while I'm responding. Anyway, most recount efforts don't run afoul of the Constitution, so yes you're right, halting one is unusual.

There is a (I would say thin) argument that can be made that the recount was unconstitutional.

There were reasonable arguments made that halting slavery was unconstituional; an even stronger constitutional argument for seperate but equal.

You have to look at the big picture. A conservative court intervened using an argument that they historically were reluctant to apply. Why? This was political. Smell the glove, my friend.

[Harlan Huckleby]

BTW, one of the hall monitors here evidently deleted the Obamaway logo from my .SIG.

the joke has gotten tired, was planning on deleting it myself. But a PM would be nice when the censors wield their swords.

Just make a poll about it so we can all see it again. I didn't look at it. What was in violation of the imaginary rules?

Its the stupid .SIG I put back in. Maybe it is a violation of Amway copyright. Or maybe it was a solar sunspot that caused a computer glitch. I don't give a shit, actually, just would have liked an email if it was necessary to delete it.

My feelings were hurt.

[SkinBasket]

You have to look at the big picture.

I would say you have to stop looking at pictures that aren't there. For you this seems like one of those pictures of blobs in the mall that if you stare at it without blinking long enough, a giant lizard pops out to eat your democracy.

A conservative court intervened using an argument that they historically were reluctant to apply.

A marginally conservative court prevented Florida's liberal activist court from intervening. There's a difference that you continue to ignore.

Why?

It's their job. Hearing cases. Determining Constitutional law matters. That kind of thing. It certainly isn't running a state's election for them or making sure all of their voting machines are up to date.

This was political.

The actions of the Florida Supreme Court were far more unabashedly political than anything the US Supreme Court did. At least they were relying on law instead of trying to change it. Again, the US Supreme Court simply said, "No. You can't do that."

Smell the glove, my friend.

I refuse. Try Partial.

[Freak Out]

The country didn't riot in the streets after the Dred Scott decision either. Or the "Seperate but Equal" travesty. But thoughtful people know the score.

Yeah. They know there's a buttload of crazies like you equating things like this with a straight face.

Harlan please stop with the "crazy" anti American babble. Fucking traitor.

It's not anti-American. It's just dumb.

It's never dumb when an American wants to talk about a decision of it's Supreme Court.

[Freak Out]

Speaking of the Florida recount....a friends son who was working for Don Young (R-Alaska) at the time, was sent along with many others from DC to Florida to "help the party in any way they could". He basically ended up rioting in various county buildings shutting down recounts and such.

Democracy in action baby.

The State of Florida totally dropped the ball and the whole thing had gotten out of hand....you can argue constitutionality till the cows come home (and we will) but the Supreme Court did what it had to do.

Gore and his dipshit advisers are ultimately to blame. They had options they refused to initiate.

[SkinBasket]

The country didn't riot in the streets after the Dred Scott decision either. Or the "Seperate but Equal" travesty. But thoughtful people know the score.

Yeah. They know there's a buttload of crazies like you equating things like this with a straight face.

Harlan please stop with the "crazy" anti American babble. Fucking traitor.

It's not anti-American. It's just dumb.

It's never dumb when an American wants to talk about a decision of it's Supreme Court.

It's not dumb to talk about court decisions. It's dumb to equate Gore v Bush to Plessy v Fergie, Scott, or Brown v Board of Edu-macation.

Our local Democrat politicians didn't riot in the last election, but they did send out their sons to slash the tires on a couple dozen vans used by the Repub party to transport people to the polls the night before the vote. Of course, instead of interfering with an election, the Dem DA decided it was just "a prank gone wrong."

[Freak Out]

Our local Democrat politicians didn't riot in the last election, but they did send out their sons to slash the tires on a couple dozen vans used by the Repub party to transport people to the polls the night before the vote. Of course, instead of interfering with an election, the Dem DA decided it was just "a prank gone wrong."

...and that's where it was left? That fuck should have been ran out of town on rails. Interfering with an election or voter intimidation at least.

Alaska has had it's share of political scandals and corruption but election rigging and that kind of crap is pretty rare to say the least.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's not dumb to talk about court decisions. It's dumb to equate Gore v Bush to Plessy v Fergie, Scott, or Brown v Board of Edu-macation.

Gore v Bush does not compare to those other decisions in terms of their impact on law & society. But it was more corrupt (arbitrary), and just as shameful as those other lowlights.

[SkinBasket]

Our local Democrat politicians didn't riot in the last election, but they did send out their sons to slash the tires on a couple dozen vans used by the Repub party to transport people to the polls the night before the vote. Of course, instead of interfering with an election, the Dem DA decided it was just "a prank gone wrong."

...and that's where it was left? That fuck should have been ran out of town on rails. Interfering with an election or voter intimidation at least.

Alaska has had it's share of political scandals and corruption but election rigging and that kind of crap is pretty rare to say the least.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/?id=386498

There was some legal wrangling but ultimately that's what the DA said, it was just a prank gone wrong. It involved the ex acting mayor of Milwaukee's kid and representative Gwen Moore's (think Aunt Jamima with Downs Syndrome) son, among others. Ended with some probation. It's embarrassing enough we sent Gwen to Washington, as she is confused or insane, I'm not sure which. I think the city just wanted to get her on her way and be done with it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody.

The exit polling done by CNN recently showed that the CLINTON supporters overwhelmingly would be more unhappy if their candidate did not win than the OBAMA supporters...and less likely to support the nominee if it wasn't their candidate.

Leaper,

Thanks for bringing the first bit of good political news I've heard in two weeks!

So Obama supporters like Hillary - they really like her! This runs contrary to every comment, every scrap of info I've read, heard or imagined.

Please provide a link to this story so I might continue to warm my chilly cockles.

[Joemailman]

I was watching the primary coverage on MSNBC. McCain really needs to get out there early and speak before Obama. Obama gives a speech before 18,000 people at the Kohl Center, and then McCain comes on in front of a much smaller, and older crowd to give a rather somber speech. The comparison was striking, and made McCain look very old. Following Obama right now is a tough job.

It's starting to look like the Dem nomination is Obama's to lose. He has over a 100 delegate lead among pledged (elected) delegates. He hasn't won it, but he'd have to screw up to lose it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's starting to look like the Dem nomination is Obama's to lose. He has over a 100 delegate lead among pledged (elected) delegates. He hasn't won it, but he'd have to screw up to lose it.

They are essentially tied in delegates, Clinton nearly closes gap with Super Delegates. They are only around half-way to the number needed to nominate. So the delegate count doesn't tell the story.

I think Obama will win because he has better organization, money, charisma, energy on the ground. That's obvious by his caucus performances. I think Clinton actually has more potential voters than Obama, but she lacks the sales force to solidify them. Obama is up 11 points in Wisconsin, a state the Clinton really should have been competitive in. Obama's people just out-spent and out-hustled Clinton in Maine, there was no reason for him to clobber her there, other than a sustained effort by his staff and followers.

Clinton will still win Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania. But I doubt she'll get the margins she needs, I think all the positive publicity Obama is generating with these February wins will reduce her future margins. But we don't know.

Lets review my predictions so far:
1) I thought Clinton was done after two weeks of bad publicity surrounding S.C. - wrong.
2) I thought Obama would surge and take California - wrong.
3) I thought winnner of CA would roll on to nomination - not looking so good.

So I don't trust my predictions (and I think even less of yours. )

[hoosier]

Clinton will still win Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania. But I doubt she'll get the margins she needs, I think all the positive publicity Obama is generating with these February wins will reduce her future margins. But we don't know.

If she wins those three how does she NOT get the nomination, or at least create a brokered convention? Granted, most Dem primaries aren't winner take all, but if she takes those big three what's left at this point for Obama?

[SkinBasket]

Clinton will still win Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania. But I doubt she'll get the margins she needs, I think all the positive publicity Obama is generating with these February wins will reduce her future margins. But we don't know.

If she wins those three how does she NOT get the nomination, or at least create a brokered convention? Granted, most Dem primaries aren't winner take all, but if she takes those big three what's left at this point for Obama?

Hillary is fucked in texas, Harlan. They split the delegates by county or district or whatever little units they use down there in Texas. The black people are going to vote Obama. The black people live in the heavily populated areas with more delegates. Hillary may win the majority of the land mass, but ol' Barak's taking home more Texas delegates than she is. In fact, it may be a southern slaughter for Hillary's white House dreams.

[Joemailman]

Hillary's problem in Texas and Ohio is that they are open primaries, so Independents and even Republicans can vote in the Dem primary. Last night in Virginia, 22% of the voters were Ind., and they went 7-3 for Obama.

Obama is making inroads in every demographis. The only group Hillary has left is white women. Last night in Virginia, 57% of the voters in the Dem primary were women, and Hillary still got clobbered. I think the only thing that can save her now is dirt on Obama.