Moktada al-Sadr, Emperor of Iraq

[MJZiggy]

How about I agree with everything you said, Tyrone--and then say IT EXACTLY PROVES MY POINT about how liberals think on the drug issue. Apply the same thinking to the slave issue, and you have to blame suppliers, not users--as the posters in this thread seem to do--BLAME AMERICA FIRST.

As I said, though, this is all a diversion from the real point, the institutionized evil of the Muslim religion in the PRESENT time period--tyranny, barbarism, genocide, ignorance, sexism, and yes, slavery too.

Drug use is a physical addiction. Many users no longer have a choice in the matter. I would hardly classify slavery as a physical or mental problem and they all most certainly had a choice. Considering what God went through to get the Israelites out of Egypt, you'll have a tough time making your case that God was OK with people owning his children.

[Scott Campbell]

Drug use is a physical addiction. Many users no longer have a choice in the matter.

Well, yeah, I suppose that's true enough. But only after they've taken a ton of it of their own volition. The Just Say No program was designed for those who still had a choice in the matter.

[MJZiggy]

Right. That and the DARE program. In other words they used new and inventive ways besides punitive measures after the fact to attempt to address the problem.

[texaspackerbacker]

How about I agree with everything you said, Tyrone--and then say IT EXACTLY PROVES MY POINT about how liberals think on the drug issue. Apply the same thinking to the slave issue, and you have to blame suppliers, not users--as the posters in this thread seem to do--BLAME AMERICA FIRST.

As I said, though, this is all a diversion from the real point, the institutionized evil of the Muslim religion in the PRESENT time period--tyranny, barbarism, genocide, ignorance, sexism, and yes, slavery too.

It is stultifying how you can miss the point. The point is that there is a DEMAND...how to cure the demand is the issue.

So, Americans/Christians were demanding slaves.

The POINT, Tyrone, is that DEMAND would be non-existent or meaningless if there was no supply offered up. That is true both for drugs and slaves.

Everything is "BLAME AMERICA FIRST" with you lefties.

All of this fades to irrelevance, however, next to the tyranny, barbarism, genocide, ignorance, sexism, and yes, slavery too which characterize Muslims of today.

Somebody brought up the Koran; Hell yeah, much of this IS in the Koran--the sinister institution known as Sharia Law, among other things. The dogmatic and barbaric attitudes of practically all Muslim clerics is another major reason for the rottenness of the Muslim world.

Whatever the reason, however, the sure things in all of this sick mess are the horrible observable facts and situations abundantly on display in virtually all but a very few Muslim countries.

[texaspackerbacker]

How about I agree with everything you said, Tyrone--and then say IT EXACTLY PROVES MY POINT about how liberals think on the drug issue. Apply the same thinking to the slave issue, and you have to blame suppliers, not users--as the posters in this thread seem to do--BLAME AMERICA FIRST.

As I said, though, this is all a diversion from the real point, the institutionized evil of the Muslim religion in the PRESENT time period--tyranny, barbarism, genocide, ignorance, sexism, and yes, slavery too.

Drug use is a physical addiction. Many users no longer have a choice in the matter. I would hardly classify slavery as a physical or mental problem and they all most certainly had a choice. Considering what God went through to get the Israelites out of Egypt, you'll have a tough time making your case that God was OK with people owning his children.

Any way you cut it, it is inconsistent of you to either excuse the users of drugs, while condemning those whose way of life was addicted to slavery.

Ziggy, you pick these completely weird things out of thin air. Did I say anything anywhere anytime to remotely suggest the God approves of slavery? I don't think so. For a person who doesn't even believe in God to bring up something like that is the height of disingenuousness and demagoguery.

[GrnBay007]

Drug use is a physical addiction. Many users no longer have a choice in the matter.

Well, yeah, I suppose that's true enough. But only after they've taken a ton of it of their own volition. The Just Say No program was designed for those who still had a choice in the matter.

ALL addicts have a choice in the matter. It's no different then someone that's been smoking cigarettes for years. You have a physical addiction as well as mental. You always have a choice...drugs/tobacco/alcohol. It may be hard as hell to quit, but you have a choice. The addict may need medical attention to quit, but that's a choice too.

[the_idle_threat]

Drug use is a physical addiction. Many users no longer have a choice in the matter.

Well, yeah, I suppose that's true enough. But only after they've taken a ton of it of their own volition. The Just Say No program was designed for those who still had a choice in the matter.

ALL addicts have a choice in the matter. It's no different then someone that's been smoking cigarettes for years. You have a physical addiction as well as mental. You always have a choice...drugs/tobacco/alcohol. It may be hard as hell to quit, but you have a choice. The addict may need medical attention to quit, but that's a choice too.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Drug use is a physical addiction. Many users no longer have a choice in the matter.

Well, yeah, I suppose that's true enough. But only after they've taken a ton of it of their own volition. The Just Say No program was designed for those who still had a choice in the matter.

ALL addicts have a choice in the matter. It's no different then someone that's been smoking cigarettes for years. You have a physical addiction as well as mental. You always have a choice...drugs/tobacco/alcohol. It may be hard as hell to quit, but you have a choice. The addict may need medical attention to quit, but that's a choice too.

That is medically wrong. Perhaps in the beginning stages, but once you are a full fledged addict you aren't the same person, your brain wiring has changed, etc.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

How about I agree with everything you said, Tyrone--and then say IT EXACTLY PROVES MY POINT about how liberals think on the drug issue. Apply the same thinking to the slave issue, and you have to blame suppliers, not users--as the posters in this thread seem to do--BLAME AMERICA FIRST.

As I said, though, this is all a diversion from the real point, the institutionized evil of the Muslim religion in the PRESENT time period--tyranny, barbarism, genocide, ignorance, sexism, and yes, slavery too.

It is stultifying how you can miss the point. The point is that there is a DEMAND...how to cure the demand is the issue.

So, Americans/Christians were demanding slaves.

The POINT, Tyrone, is that DEMAND would be non-existent or meaningless if there was no supply offered up. That is true both for drugs and slaves.

Everything is "BLAME AMERICA FIRST" with you lefties.

All of this fades to irrelevance, however, next to the tyranny, barbarism, genocide, ignorance, sexism, and yes, slavery too which characterize Muslims of today.

Somebody brought up the Koran; Hell yeah, much of this IS in the Koran--the sinister institution known as Sharia Law, among other things. The dogmatic and barbaric attitudes of practically all Muslim clerics is another major reason for the rottenness of the Muslim world.

Whatever the reason, however, the sure things in all of this sick mess are the horrible observable facts and situations abundantly on display in virtually all but a very few Muslim countries.

That has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever written.

Demand doesn't simply go away because the product isn't there. Convenient for you to ignore the laws of economics when it suites you.

[Partial]

That's because the medical experts are fucking pussies. Anyone can quit doing anything, it takes will power and self control. It is hard work, but what isn't that benefits you!?!? That's such a load of BS.

I have no use for someone who is so mentally weak they cannot break a horrible, self-destroying habit.

[Freak Out]

This is your brain on drugs.

[Freak Out]

So is Sadr running drugs and slaves now?

[texaspackerbacker]

How about I agree with everything you said, Tyrone--and then say IT EXACTLY PROVES MY POINT about how liberals think on the drug issue. Apply the same thinking to the slave issue, and you have to blame suppliers, not users--as the posters in this thread seem to do--BLAME AMERICA FIRST.

As I said, though, this is all a diversion from the real point, the institutionized evil of the Muslim religion in the PRESENT time period--tyranny, barbarism, genocide, ignorance, sexism, and yes, slavery too.

It is stultifying how you can miss the point. The point is that there is a DEMAND...how to cure the demand is the issue.

So, Americans/Christians were demanding slaves.

The POINT, Tyrone, is that DEMAND would be non-existent or meaningless if there was no supply offered up. That is true both for drugs and slaves.

Everything is "BLAME AMERICA FIRST" with you lefties.

All of this fades to irrelevance, however, next to the tyranny, barbarism, genocide, ignorance, sexism, and yes, slavery too which characterize Muslims of today.

Somebody brought up the Koran; Hell yeah, much of this IS in the Koran--the sinister institution known as Sharia Law, among other things. The dogmatic and barbaric attitudes of practically all Muslim clerics is another major reason for the rottenness of the Muslim world.

Whatever the reason, however, the sure things in all of this sick mess are the horrible observable facts and situations abundantly on display in virtually all but a very few Muslim countries.

That has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever written.

Demand doesn't simply go away because the product isn't there. Convenient for you to ignore the laws of economics when it suites you.

Did I say demand "goes away"? No. I said it becomes irrelevant.

The key to the disagreement here between several posters making very valid points about addiction and you, Tyrone, claiming--with a degree of correctness--that an addict's brain evolves/devolves/whatever to where it can't survive without the commodity of the addiction is TIMING.

What I and others are saying is that WITHOUT THE SUPPLIERS PROVIDING THE SUPPLY, the addiction would never even have started. That is equally true with drugs as with slaves--as is YOUR assertion about the addiction reaching a point where it indeed can't be overcome without extreme interventionist procedures.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That's because the medical experts are fucking pussies. Anyone can quit doing anything, it takes will power and self control. It is hard work, but what isn't that benefits you!?!? That's such a load of BS.

I have no use for someone who is so mentally weak they cannot break a horrible, self-destroying habit.

Right. I guess this is another of the 7 topics you know something about. When you aren't coding you happen to know about drugs and their interaction with the brain.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

How about I agree with everything you said, Tyrone--and then say IT EXACTLY PROVES MY POINT about how liberals think on the drug issue. Apply the same thinking to the slave issue, and you have to blame suppliers, not users--as the posters in this thread seem to do--BLAME AMERICA FIRST.

As I said, though, this is all a diversion from the real point, the institutionized evil of the Muslim religion in the PRESENT time period--tyranny, barbarism, genocide, ignorance, sexism, and yes, slavery too.

It is stultifying how you can miss the point. The point is that there is a DEMAND...how to cure the demand is the issue.

So, Americans/Christians were demanding slaves.

The POINT, Tyrone, is that DEMAND would be non-existent or meaningless if there was no supply offered up. That is true both for drugs and slaves.

Everything is "BLAME AMERICA FIRST" with you lefties.

All of this fades to irrelevance, however, next to the tyranny, barbarism, genocide, ignorance, sexism, and yes, slavery too which characterize Muslims of today.

Somebody brought up the Koran; Hell yeah, much of this IS in the Koran--the sinister institution known as Sharia Law, among other things. The dogmatic and barbaric attitudes of practically all Muslim clerics is another major reason for the rottenness of the Muslim world.

Whatever the reason, however, the sure things in all of this sick mess are the horrible observable facts and situations abundantly on display in virtually all but a very few Muslim countries.

That has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever written.

Demand doesn't simply go away because the product isn't there. Convenient for you to ignore the laws of economics when it suites you.

Did I say demand "goes away"? No. I said it becomes irrelevant.

The key to the disagreement here between several posters making very valid points about addiction and you, Tyrone, claiming--with a degree of correctness--that an addict's brain evolves/devolves/whatever to where it can't survive without the commodity of the addiction is TIMING.

What I and others are saying is that WITHOUT THE SUPPLIERS PROVIDING THE SUPPLY, the addiction would never even have started. That is equally true with drugs as with slaves--as is YOUR assertion about the addiction reaching a point where it indeed can't be overcome without extreme interventionist procedures.

Oh. I get it. YOu were planning on not letting people know about drugs? when was that going to happen? Couple of thousand years ago?

Perhaps you should start by examing humans and there constant usage of drugs...across all cultures. Or maybe america where "good, normal" americans were hooked on patent medicines.

I will give you credit for at least knowing acknowledging that addicts and their bodies change.