No vote for you!

[3irty1]

Personally I think all prisoners should be made to live together on an island and filmed for reality TV.

[GBRulz]

I can kind of attest to what Partial is getting at. I think....

My uncle is the Lt of a suburban Milwaukee PD and every winter they see people struggling to live (mostly homeless) commit petty crimes to purposely get put in jail over the winter months. It's guaranteed food and shelter that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

How about a kid that gets turned down for financial aid for wanting to go to college? He can just commit a crime and then just get his degree for free in prison.

I'm not saying these are every day occurances, but they do happen. Now, THAT is something seriously wrong with our system.

[Deputy Nutz]

The thing about incarceration that is fucked up, is that they don't make these fuckers do hard time. Working on the road crew picking up garbage, breaking up rock. That sort of shit. Have them actually pay back their debt to society.

I do believe that in some states inmates actually have to pay for their stay in prison, they do jobs in the big house that they get payed for and basically have to turn around and pay off the "Man" they have meet the debt before they can leave or get an extended stay.

A county jail in Arizona charges inmates for coffee and actually makes a profit.

[GBRulz]

Since this thread has already gone way OT, I have a question for you guys.

A guy gets hired at my company. Now, I won't get into all the details of how I found out, etc but he is a convicted sex offender. Basically, he likes young teenage girls and I've heard he's violent, I'll leave it at that. So, I tell my boss about my concern and she says "yes, we know about his past." AND then she proceeds to tell me that I am not to tell any of my co-workers about this and how it's none of their business, etc. I said "well, it's public knowledge, there is a WI database for sex offenders."

I believe in rehab for ex cons to a certain extent. Sex offenders are not one of them. I just absolutely cannot believe that our company hired someone of this nature. They've always done extensive background checks, etc. But our company has new owners as of about 6 months ago, so obviously there are new rules.

As an employee, do I have a right to refuse to work with a certain individual for personal reasons? I'm in the process of being combed for a mgmt role, one of which is to help train new hires coming aboard right now. Also, why should I be "warned" by my manager not to share this info with my co-workers? Shouldn't they have a right to know? Taking my issue to HR isn't something I'm considering because HR always has the best issue of the company itself at hand.
This just really bothers me.

[Deputy Nutz]

Since this thread has already gone way OT, I have a question for you guys.

A guy gets hired at my company. Now, I won't get into all the details of how I found out, etc but he is a convicted sex offender. Basically, he likes young teenage girls and I've heard he's violent, I'll leave it at that. So, I tell my boss about my concern and she says "yes, we know about his past." AND then she proceeds to tell me that I am not to tell any of my co-workers about this and how it's none of their business, etc. I said "well, it's public knowledge, there is a WI database for sex offenders."

I believe in rehab for ex cons to a certain extent. Sex offenders are not one of them. I just absolutely cannot believe that our company hired someone of this nature. They've always done extensive background checks, etc. But our company has new owners as of about 6 months ago, so obviously there are new rules.

As an employee, do I have a right to refuse to work with a certain individual for personal reasons? I'm in the process of being combed for a mgmt role, one of which is to help train new hires coming aboard right now. Also, why should I be "warned" by my manager not to share this info with my co-workers? Shouldn't they have a right to know? Taking my issue to HR isn't something I'm considering because HR always has the best issue of the company itself at hand.
This just really bothers me.

I guess technically he served his time to society with whatever punishment he received. I understand your situation, but why don't you CCAP him and find out what he really did before listening to what others said about him. I do believe that a private company is not required to inform their employees when they hire a sex offender, or a criminal for that matter.

You can always look for a new job

[RashanGary]

I think some prisons can be funded by work done at the prison (or closely off site for prisoners that are on shorter stays and have very LOW escape risk factors).

These prison factories can make money to support the prison and to pay for rehab. Maybe the work the do can also teach them a skill that they can use when they get out. Being a functional member of society is learned. The ability is inate IMO, but having it acctually materialize has a learned factor to it. Many of these people never had a chance to learn IMO.

I think many of these people can help pay for their stay with work. Many can learn how to run their own lives when they get out. Many of these people are regular human beings iwth the ablity do good things. Many might have never been shown the way. With a little direction and the motivation of improving their own lives, I think many people can rise up and become more. There is a place for holding tanks and traditional prison, but I think there is a place for rehab oriented prison. Ithink the numbers of peopel who go back would be less and by having the prision factories making money, I think they can also lower the cost of prison on society. Win/Win. Who goes to the good prison and who goes to the bad would be based on several factors, but ultimately I think people who really want to get better would help themselves if given the chance and while helping themsleves they'd help society too. Moreso than hopeless and evil, I think people who are in prison are lost and ignorant (Neither permanent and neither worthy of condemnation and hatred).

[Freak Out]

I can kind of attest to what Partial is getting at. I think....

My uncle is the Lt of a suburban Milwaukee PD and every winter they see people struggling to live (mostly homeless) commit petty crimes to purposely get put in jail over the winter months. It's guaranteed food and shelter that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

How about a kid that gets turned down for financial aid for wanting to go to college? He can just commit a crime and then just get his degree for free in prison.

I'm not saying these are every day occurances, but they do happen. Now, THAT is something seriously wrong with our system.

It's a wonderful world.

[3irty1]

I think some prisons can be funded by work done at the prison (or closely off site for prisoners that are on shorter stays and have very LOW escape risk factors).

These prison factories can make money to support the prison and to pay for rehab. Maybe the work the do can also teach them a skill that they can use when they get out. Being a functional member of society is learned. The ability is inate IMO, but having it acctually materialize has a learned factor to it. Many of these people never had a chance to learn IMO.

I think many of these people can help pay for their stay with work. Many can learn how to run their own lives when they get out. Many of these people are regular human beings iwth the ablity do good things. Many might have never been shown the way. With a little direction and the motivation of improving their own lives, I think many people can rise up and become more. There is a place for holding tanks and traditional prison, but I think there is a place for rehab oriented prison. Ithink the numbers of peopel who go back would be less and by having the prision factories making money, I think they can also lower the cost of prison on society. Win/Win. Who goes to the good prison and who goes to the bad would be based on several factors, but ultimately I think people who really want to get better would help themselves if given the chance and while helping themsleves they'd help society too. Moreso than hopeless and evil, I think people who are in prison are lost and ignorant (Neither permanent and neither worthy of condemnation and hatred).

Or you could just set them all on fire and use them for power. Both are good ideas.

[Harlan Huckleby]

every winter they see people struggling to live (mostly homeless) commit petty crimes to purposely get put in jail over the winter months. It's guaranteed food and shelter that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

I'm sure this is somewhat common. Andy & Barney just let Otis have his own set of keys to the cell.
What is solution to homeless people?

How about a kid that gets turned down for financial aid for wanting to go to college? He can just commit a crime and then just get his degree for free in prison.

I'm sure that degree will be so impressive that employers will overlook the conviction record. I really wouldn't worry about prisoners abusing this privilege.

[SkinBasket]

What is solution to homeless people?

We've covered this. It's basic financial planning and thrift. With a little of each they could be retired homeless people by age 58.

[MJZiggy]

What is solution to homeless people?

We've covered this. It's basic financial planning and thrift. With a little of each they could be retired homeless people by age 58.

If I retire at 58, I'll BE homeless.

[texaspackerbacker]

The government doesn't owe anybody the right to a comfortable retirement. It does, however, owe everybody the right to be protected from criminals. Hence, money spent to lock up criminals is a lot more justifiable than money spent for nanny-state government programs.

More on point to the original discussion, though, is how those locked up criminals are treated. In addition to the fact that it makes a helluva lot more sense to provide NEGATIVE reinforcement for criminal behavior with harsher prisons, there is also the fact providing a lot less niceties to prisoners would be a lot cheaper.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If I retire at 58, I'll BE homeless.

there's still time to marry well. plenty of interesting bachelors in the forum. Partial is on the way up, just to name one.

[MJZiggy]

The government doesn't owe anybody the right to a comfortable retirement. It does, however, owe everybody the right to be protected from criminals. Hence, money spent to lock up criminals is a lot more justifiable than money spent for nanny-state government programs.

More on point to the original discussion, though, is how those locked up criminals are treated. In addition to the fact that it makes a helluva lot more sense to provide NEGATIVE reinforcement for criminal behavior with harsher prisons, there is also the fact providing a lot less niceties to prisoners would be a lot cheaper.

If you provide less niceties they will continue to sue until they get them back (which will end up costing a LOT to defend all the suits). Maybe instead of giving up their right to vote, they should give up their right to sue...

[texaspackerbacker]

I agree. My solution would be to vote for the party that won't appoint liberal judges that make those lawsuits successful. Wouldn't you agree?