Deputy Nutz - Jeremiah Wright connection

[red]

i said "so called letter", because thats where they whole notion came from of rejecting a revote. unless i missed it, i don't see were it says, nope, we won't do it no matter what

i see a list of concerns

if you look through hillary colored glasses maybe you see reject and death threats. i don't know

she has also rejected at least 1 maybe two ideas for a revote. so like i said, if you're gonna say obama blocked, then you need to say the same for her

[Harlan Huckleby]

i said "so called letter", because thats where they whole notion came from of rejecting a revote. unless i missed it, i don't see were it says, nope, we won't do it no matter what

Of course they never said anything like that publically. Obama's public stance was he was "in favor of any fair process sanctioned by the DNC." Well, BS. When push came to shove, it was obvious he didn't want anything to do with a revote.

You had to read between the lines, and listen to comments from local politicians. Michael Bishop, the Senate Majority Leader, actually said it pretty clearly.

[Harlan Huckleby]

she has also rejected at least 1 maybe two ideas for a revote. so like i said, if you're gonna say obama blocked, then you need to say the same for her

no, Clinton never objected to revotes. she has rejected all the offers to compromise on seating delegates. That's because the seating of the delegates is the least of her concerns. She needed legitimate primary victories for her campaign with the Super Delegates.

[red]

not true, she along with obama rejected the mail in vote idea

i also disagree with the mail it in approach. but it is a rejection from her

i thought there was one other, that wasn't a split, but i'm too tired and i can't find it. so maybe it was just the one time

and yes, it is nit picking, but it is a rejection

and my last note, they need to do it, and i like garvilles idea of his side (clintons) coming up with 15 million through private donors, and obamas side coming up with 15 million. that would be enough to redo both states

yes i can see where obama gains by completely blocking the revote, but that will come back to haunt him in the fall when he needs those states, if he gets the nomination

[Harlan Huckleby]

not true, she along with obama rejected the mail in vote idea

the mail-in revote was championed by her main supporter in Florida, Senator Nelson. It was a desperate move to get some sort of revote, and as people explored it further, it was clear it was unworkable.

i also disagree with the mail it in approach. but it is a rejection from her

she was publicaly against the mail-in because she wanted to keep alive the possibility of a real primary, and short of that, to count the original primary. She would have accepted a mail-in if that was all she could get, otherwise Nelson would not have made any attempt.

and my last note, they need to do it, and i like garvilles idea of his side (clintons) coming up with 15 million through private donors, and obamas side coming up with 15 million. that would be enough to redo both states

well, good, but it's irrelevant now. And I'm sure Dean and Obama will ultimately offer with great fanfare to generously seat MI & FL - after the SuperDelegates have committed n sufficient numbers to make FL & MI meaningless. This is window dressing to cover Dean's ineptitude and Obama's subterfuge.

When the attempts for revotes failed in both states in march, the Obama supporters were triumphant, crowing with joy. Yahoo! Game over! And only a few journalists commented on the unsavory way that Obama sealed the deal, most were just excited to suggest it was time for Hillary to exit.

I certainly accept your position that a revote was a more just resolution, and I think Joemailman supported a revote. But most Obama supporters just stuck to the "rules are rules" view. That has left some hard feelings.

[Freak Out]

Stop the presses! I just heard Obama's tailor say that he hates America.

[texaspackerbacker]

The mail-in idea would have been a fiasco. Can you just imagine the abuses that could/would occur?

[the_idle_threat]

I can't say I hate America, exactly, but I will say that "A Horse With No Name" is an annoying song with really stupid lyrics.

[MJZiggy]

I can't say I hate America, exactly, but I will say that "A Horse With No Name" is an annoying song with really stupid lyrics.

You make a compelling argument.

[swede]

I can't say I hate America, exactly, but I will say that "A Horse With No Name" is an annoying song with really stupid lyrics.

You make a compelling argument.

...for their ain't anyone for to give you no pain...

[Harlan Huckleby]

In the desert you can remember your name
cause there aint no one for to give you no pain

[the_idle_threat]

The heat was hot ...

It's like they let a four year old write some of the lyrics.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The message from the left-leaning columns today is that people who don't vote for Obama are racists. I guess this will be their strategy to blunt the Jeremiah Wright effect.

The horrible crime that Clinton committed recently was saying that she had the solid support of working class whites. If someone were to say that Obama has 93% support among African-Americans would that be racist? Columnists have been taunting Clinton for months, saying that black voters have turned away from her - was that racist?

I think John McCain is the strongest candidate the Republicans could possibly field. And that's even considering the fact that he is too old. Its a Democratic year, and McCain uniquely has some support among moderate democrats & independents. Still, I don't know if any heir to King George has a chance next fall.

Obama is completely unpredictable as a candidate.

All I know for sure is that the Dem party has been taken-over by a very self-assured and vindictive bunch. I dearly hope that Obama can be defeated, the Huffington Post Democrats who are now (apparently) the majority of the Democrat party are not balanced people in my view. I guess an extreme reaction to the Bush years is inevitable.

[hoosier]

The message from the left-leaning columns today is that people who don't vote for Obama are racists. I guess this will be their strategy to blunt the Jeremiah Wright effect.

The horrible crime that Clinton committed recently was saying that she had the solid support of working class whites. If someone were to say that Obama has 93% support among African-Americans would that be racist? Columnists have been taunting Clinton for months, saying that black voters have turned away from her - was that racist?
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Your analogy doesn't quite work. Hillary was clearly insinuating that Obama is unelectable because black, and thus she's appealing to (or trying to benefit from) the politics of exclusion based on race. Obama's doing nothing of the sort; at the very worst his supporters are supporting him because he's "black," which is very different from saying "I won't vote for X because he's white/black/yellow".

I don't quite get your insistence on portraying Obama supporters as crazed, vindictive extremists. There may be some of those among his followers, but I can't see how you make the leap to characterizing the entire "movement" in those terms. It seems to me that your allergy to Obama is every bit as reactive as the portrait you try to paint of the average Obama supporter. Are you doing exactly what you accuse them of?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Your analogy doesn't quite work. Hillary was clearly insinuating that Obama is unelectable because black, and thus she's appealing to (or trying to benefit from) the politics of exclusion based on race.

Horse hockey. She didn't insinuate anything, she stated plainly that she has the solid support of the white working class. It's you and Bob Hebert that have made the leap to suggest that this white middle class supports Obama weakly because they are racist.

The only suggestion she makes is that she is more electible than Obama. NOTHING wrong with that.

Lets suppose for sake of discussion that she is deliberately advocating that a black man is unelectable. How effective would that be? Do you think the voters or SuperDelegates are going to have a sudden ?

When Obamatics incessently repeat that Clinton is unelectable because black people will dessert the party, did Bob Hebert get uncomfortable? Why is it a "race card" only when race is mentioned in one context?

This is reminiscent of Clinton's "as far as I know" comment. Just like the "white working class" remark, it would have gone unnoticed had the attack dogs not parsed it carefully and amplified it a million times. The notion that the first remark was intended to stir-up talk of Obama being a muslim, or this latest remark might foment racist paranoia, is malicious & ludicrous.

Obama's doing nothing of the sort; at the very worst his supporters are supporting him because he's "black," which is very different from saying "I won't vote for X because he's white/black/yellow".

The only time Obama stepped over the line is when he called Clinton's remarks about Johnson-MLK "disturbing." He retracted a couple days later, stategically.

It's laughable when blacks & liberals say, "can we talk openly about race, can we have an honest conversation?" Then when anybody actually mentions race, if they are white they are accused of being a racist!

I accept Obama as a racial healer, and suspect his politics are not extreme. And I took his race speech as sincere and wise - although not so impressive as it relates to Jeremiah the Bullfrog.

I don't quite get your insistence on portraying Obama supporters as crazed, vindictive extremists. There may be some of those among his followers

Well, you are right to call me on this stereotyping. Certainly you & Joemailman and other Obama supporters in this forum are perfectly civil. Red goes a little nutty now and then, but he's just a infant learning the ways of the world, he's expected to spit up his food now and then.

but I can't see how you make the leap to characterizing the entire "movement" in those terms.

There is a very unpleasant far left in this country. And they might be perfectly lovable as individuals in their daily lives, but they have this manichean worldview, which means attacking Dem moderates or Republicans is like killing poisonous snakes. Anything goes. And they have grafted onto the OBama movement.

It seems to me that your allergy to Obama is every bit as reactive as the portrait you try to paint of the average Obama supporter. Are you doing exactly what you accuse them of?

I actually don't have a strong allergy to Obama. It is the character of his followers I have a problem with. I call them vindictive and absolutist because that is how they express themselves. Check out Frank Rich, Maureen Dowd, Bob Hebert at NY Times. And those are the genteel ones. Mailman's buddies at HuffingtonPost.com are a little scruffier. The certifiable types are at dailykos.