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This shit just amazes me....Clinton cheated in MI. Nobody said you had to remove your name. dumbass! I think most Americans think the Dems just f'ed up and need to figure out how to fix FL and MI.
not hillary, she now just wants that vote to count.
she agreed with the others not to participate or campaigning in michigan at all, she even said the state didn't matter because the votes wouldn't count.
the other big names stayed off the ballot (obama, richardson, edwards, biden). she satays or jumps back in with biden and are the only two on the ballot.
and now that she can't win the nomination without a huge miricle, she says that the votes should count the way in happened. she says she was on the ballot, its the others fault that they dropped off.
they dropped off because they were all in agreement not to participate, including her
it might not be cheating, but its a very dishonest, slimy move on her part at this point, and just adds to the image that she can't be trusted and will say anything and do anything to win. it might have been wrong to call it cheating, she's just trying to change or go around the rules to her advantage
the only way to fix the michigan issue the proper way is to have a complete revote. not a mail in ballot to a few thousand people, not a recount of what happened before. they have to revote and let them both properly campaigning and be on the ballot
but thats not what she wants, because she'll either lose that or not win it by enough like indiana to make a difference
89% of blacks voted for Kerry in 2004. Didn't know Kerry was black. He hid it so well.
Joe, may I call you Joe? You know perfectly well in the bottom of your dark heart that this is bullshit.
Kerry, a very liberal democrat, was opposing Bush, in some ways a very conservative Republican. African Americans, for better or worse, have stayed en masse within liberal ideology. They went Kerry over Bush based on party affiliation and ideology.
Clinton and Obama are in the same party and have only marginal differences on issues. OF COURSE blacks are voting 93% for Obama STRICTLY on the basis of racial solidarity.
Drop down and give me 50 pushups. You have disgraced yourself this time.
she agreed with the others not to participate or campaigning in michigan at all
All the candidates honored the pledge.
Originally posted by red
the other big names stayed off the ballot (obama, richardson, edwards, biden
Clinton, Dodd and Kusinich stayed on the ballot. The candidates decided whether to keep their name on the ballot from calculations of what was in their political interests, period. There was nothing sorted or altruistic either way.
Originally posted by red
they dropped off because they were all in agreement not to participate, including her
100% Bullshit. Obama removed his name from the ballot because he judged that Clinton would win the straw poll, and it was not in his political interest to participate. He would have stayed if he thought he would win and get the publicity boost.
Ignore the silly spin and use your head.
Originally posted by red
it might not be cheating, but its a very dishonest, slimy move on her part at this point, and just adds to the image that she can't be trusted
Wow, you have really drunk deeply of the fruity beverage. Careful, that stuff is bad for your teeth, not to mention your mind.
Originally posted by red
the only way to fix the michigan issue the proper way is to have a complete revote.
Obama worked energetically to block such a revote.
And more BS, You can't even get 90% of people to agree that the sky is blue, so how does Obama get 90%+ of Black vote? These people are voting for the race...
100% correct. But given the history, hell, you can't really blame them. Of course they are excited to see a black with chance to make it to the White House.
(I refer of course to Condi Rice, since Barack is a mulatto. )
Since the beginning of this mess I have said the only way Dems will loose this election is if the fuck it up. Guess what they have done it!
You might be right. But this is kind of like preseason right now. The playoffs are in the fall. Obama vrs McCain will be a different atmosphere, and field is tilted in Dem's direction. Now, are there any more sports metaphors we can use? McCain has lost a step, and its about time we had a black QB.
And more BS, You can't even get 90% of people to agree that the sky is blue, so how does Obama get 90%+ of Black vote? These people are voting for the race...
89% of blacks voted for Kerry in 2004. Didn't know Kerry was black. He hid it so well.
It's called being kept down on the "liberal plantation" by the overseers--the so-called "leaders" of the black community--who deliver that 90%+ of the black vote despite the fact that most blacks don't like the policies of the Democrat Party any more than most whites do--ESPECIALLY on "moral issues" like abortion and the gay agenda--where the Dems are very contrary to the good moral views of many blacks.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
And more BS, You can't even get 90% of people to agree that the sky is blue, so how does Obama get 90%+ of Black vote? These people are voting for the race...
89% of blacks voted for Kerry in 2004. Didn't know Kerry was black. He hid it so well.
It's called being kept down on the "liberal plantation" by the overseers--the so-called "leaders" of the black community--who deliver that 90%+ of the black vote despite the fact that most blacks don't like the policies of the Democrat Party any more than most whites do--ESPECIALLY on "moral issues" like abortion and the gay agenda--where the Dems are very contrary to the good moral views of many blacks.
Your point of view on this has no doubt evolved through many years of painstaking research in black communities. You wouldn't be pulling the old Marxist trick of dismissing everything that doesn't fit your world view as "false consciousness" now, would you?
he has his opperantion chaos thing, that might have helped clinton win indiana. thats what he wanted, in both states he told his listeners to to go out and vote for clinton to make it harder on obama,
but
then he says that he wants obama to win, because he sees obama as the weaker opponet
?????????????????????????
if he wouldn't have meddled, this contest MIGHT be over right now, with obama taking any bit of momentum left in the race. a win in indiana might have been the definative final nail in the coffin
however, rush gave her, the candidate that he thinks is the stronger one, a sliver of hope that she might be able to build on
is he just nuts? can he control what thoughts come out of his mouth, is he back on the pills, or does he just like to "flip-flop"
seems to me if he thought obama was the weaker candidate that he would tell his viewers to vote for him to get clinton out
he has his opperantion chaos thing, that might have helped clinton win indiana. thats what he wanted, in both states he told his listeners to to go out and vote for clinton to make it harder on obama,
but
then he says that he wants obama to win, because he sees obama as the weaker opponet
?????????????????????????
if he wouldn't have meddled, this contest MIGHT be over right now, with obama taking any bit of momentum left in the race. a win in indiana might have been the definative final nail in the coffin
however, rush gave her, the candidate that he thinks is the stronger one, a sliver of hope that she might be able to build on
is he just nuts? can he control what thoughts come out of his mouth, is he back on the pills, or does he just like to "flip-flop"
seems to me if he thought obama was the weaker candidate that he would tell his viewers to vote for him to get clinton out
His strategy seems to have been: prolong the primary process as long as possible and then have the victor (which it's now increasingly clear will be Obama) emerge weakened. Limbaugh's trying to contribute to his weakening by calling him just that. If Hillary had swept IN and NC and gone on to win the primary, Rush would be calling her the weakest candidate. Not insane, just crazy like a pig. It's a desparate strategy for desparate times.
89% of blacks voted for Kerry in 2004. Didn't know Kerry was black. He hid it so well.
Joe, may I call you Joe? You know perfectly well in the bottom of your dark heart that this is bullshit.
Kerry, a very liberal democrat, was opposing Bush, in some ways a very conservative Republican. African Americans, for better or worse, have stayed en masse within liberal ideology. They went Kerry over Bush based on party affiliation and ideology.
Clinton and Obama are in the same party and have only marginal differences on issues. OF COURSE blacks are voting 93% for Obama STRICTLY on the basis of racial solidarity.
Drop down and give me 50 pushups. You have disgraced yourself this time.
Took you long enough to respond. Yes, I am aware that being black helps Obama with blacks. However, they are supporting Obama in a way that they wouldn't back someone like Sharpton. That's mainly because they believe he can win. Early on, many polls were showing Hillary with considerable black support. That all changed when Obama won Iowa.
I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
Well, it turns out that al-Qaeda No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri has declared that he is actually on McCain's side in wanting to destroy Iran. Al-Zawahiri is hurt that McCain keeps confusing hyper-Sunni al-Qaeda with radical Shiism: "Ayman al-Zawahiri said al-Qaeda wants to see the destruction of Iran - a Shiite nation battling the terrorists . . . "The dispute between America and Iran is a genuine struggle, and the possibility of the US striking Iran is real," al-Zawahiri said. . ." Al-Zawahiri hopes that the US struggle with Iran will destroy the latter and weaken the former, putting al-Qaeda in a position to administer the coup de grace.
In essence, al-Zawahiri is endorsing McCain's plan to "bomb, bomb, bomb/ bomb, bomb Iran."
And more BS, You can't even get 90% of people to agree that the sky is blue, so how does Obama get 90%+ of Black vote? These people are voting for the race...
Prolly the same way that Bush, Kerry, Reagan, Clinton, etc...got 100% of the white vote.
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