So Happy For Mad And Harlan

[Joemailman]

Gay marriage legalized in California.

Will all the Packerrats be invited to the wedding?

[MJZiggy]

I thought they were going to push for a constitutional amendment to override the court's decision. They better hurry if that amendment has any support.


BTW, is it Mad and Harlan day and I just missed the memo or what???

[Anti-Polar Bear]

No surprise. San Francisco was the birth place of the countercultural movement.

Back in the 60's the CIA used to pose as hippies to distribute LSD to many a fine flower folks .It was part of the cia's mind altering experiment called Project UKULTRA. LSD succeeded in preventing the existence of a peaceful utopia. However, Project MKULTRA was a complete disaster. All it did was gave birth to a generation of long-haired, tree hugging heroine users: the fine flower folks of the 70's.

Back to the topic of this thread.

[texaspackerbacker]

The immediate effects of this won't be all that harmful. There are secondary implications, however, in a whole variety of areas: inheritance, property ownership, custody of children, military service, etc. Even then, there won't be any extreme effects around the country if there is no forced recognition of those California (or Massachusetts) gay marriages in other states and with Federal issues like GI benefits.

I don't think there was forced recognition of Massachusetts gay marriages, so there probably won't be with California's either.

Thus, no big deal.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

No surprise. San Francisco was the birth place of the countercultural movement.

Back in the 60's the CIA used to pose as hippies to distribute LSD to many a fine flower folks .It was part of the cia's mind altering experiment called Project UKULTRA. LSD succeeded in preventing the existence of a peaceful utopia. However, Project UKULTRA was a complete disaster. All it did was gave birth to a generation of long-haired, tree hugging heroine users: the fine flower folks of the 70's.

Back to the topic of this thread.

It was MKultra...not UK.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

My bad. I was thinking U as in Ultimatum. Ur right its MK, not UK.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm ready to make a commitment, but I can't see moving to CA. And I expect Mad will never move too far from his Raiders.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Hey Joemailman, I finalized noticed your avatar, pretty funny. looks like McCain is getting a good whiff of Bush's armpit.

If you ever get tired of that avatar, here's another pic:

[sheepshead]

liberal judges pass what the voters rejected handedly. I dont really care who marries whom or what people do in their bedrooms, but the laws should be put to a vote. Not the whim of 4 liberal whack jobs.

It'll get overturned by the way.

[Harlan Huckleby]

liberal judges pass what the voters rejected handedly. I dont really care who marries whom or what people do in their bedrooms, but the laws should be put to a vote. Not the whim of 4 liberal whack jobs.

It'll get overturned by the way.

We live in a constitutional democracy, not a pure democracy. The voters or legislators can't do things that violate peoples rights (as the judges interpret the constituion.) Maybe you'd like a new system without a constitution, but you better know what you're doing, the constitution has worked pretty well on the whole.

If the judges are whack jobs, that's because the voters or the elected officials who appointed them chose whack jobs. Blame democracy. More than likely, you just don't like the idea of a constitution when it doesn't work the way you'd like.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The constitution is not by any mean flawless.

Look at the 2nd amendment. The fucking right to keep and bear arms.

Homosexualism is biological, not environmental.. It should not only be legalized everywhere in the US but also throughout the whole fucking world (open up your eyes, Iran!!!).

Here's an excerpt from Chap. 21 of Ted is trapped in the closet (the whole chap will be posted here if madtownpacker allows it to be posted here)

Said Ball, “it is alright, Ted, just be yourself
You need not try to tempt fate
Cos some male birds are meant to mate
Some lovers are meant to be
Lovers like you and me

[texaspackerbacker]

Homosexuality is neither biological nor environmental (who ever even said it was environmental?). It is a matter of CHOICE--an alternative lifestyle. As such, it should be legal and unrestricted. However, it should NOT be legitimatized and subsidized by the government as an equal alternative to normal heterosexuality. Instead, it should be identified and described in schools, etc. as a harmless perversion--legal to be practiced by anyone choosing to do so, but absolutely NOT portrayed as equal, morally equivalent, or whatever.

I've met homosexuals who were apolitical and normal in many other ways. They just wanted to be left alone. They were what they were; They did what they did; They didn't pretend it was morally right; And they definitely didn't try to promote their chosen lifestyle as equal.

I've also met straight liberals--in person and in forums--for whom that sort of way of dealing with homosexuality wasn't good enough. They wanted to promote it, teach it as equal, etc. I can't help thinking these liberals did NOT have the desires or welfare of the homosexuals as their priority so much as a different agenda--an anti-Christian/anti-American agenda--hoping to destroy the heritage, culture, and moral fiber of the country.

The other issue of this thread, as Sheepshead described, is judicial activism--where leftist judges who can only be described as elitist, override the democratically stated will of the people. As somebody described, we have a Constitutional democracy, not a pure one. However, that concept implies INTERPRETING the letter of the Constitution--not manufacturing phantom rights that aren't there and which follow a rotten agenda of tearing down everything that has generally been accepted as normal and American dating back to the founding fathers.

Things like protecting due process of law, protecting freedom of speech (NOT perversions masquerading as speech), protecting freedom of religion (including the MAJORITY RELIGION--not merely two bit crap religions), etc., in these cases, expansive court decisions are fine. However, fantasizing a right to kill fetuses, to have homosexual marriages legitimatized by law, expanding rights reserved for citizens to non-citizen terrorist enemies, etc., those type of things do NOT fall within the realm of protecting Constitutional rights and are NOT legitimate judicial acts.

So if everything goes according to form here, the leftists will whine and rant about right wing this/right wing that, and they won't even have the balls to defend the leftist crap they and their favorite politicians stand for. I challenge you sick fools of the left--you know who you are--to state WHY you think allowing homosexuality, but labeling it as wrong, condemning the promotion of it in schools, etc. as equal, condemning the overriding the will of the electoral majority in favor of phantom "rights", etc.--why you think these are not very moderate and rational positions. Show some courage for once, Hoosier, Zool, Tyrone, Ziggy, Joe, any other leftists for whom the shoe fits, instead of running and hiding and diverting the discussion like you usually do.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Homosexuality ... should NOT be legitimatized and subsidized by the government as an equal alternative to normal heterosexuality. Instead, it should be identified and described in schools, etc. as a harmless perversion--legal to be practiced by anyone choosing to do so, but absolutely NOT portrayed as equal, morally equivalent, or whatever.

The number of people who think this way declines every year. Younger people are generally ready to accept gay couples as equivalent to hetero couples.

Sheepshead said he doesn't care what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, but he's clearly upset at the ruling in CA allowing gays to marry. I imagine Sheepshead voted for that WI amendment prohibiting civil unions for gays.

Tex & Sheepshead have congratulated themselves for their tolerance of gay sex, but the reality is they tolerate homosexuals only if they are stigmatized and denied the legal rights of other couples.

Bigotry doesn't change in a few years. It takes a couple generations.

[texaspackerbacker]

Harlan, I congratulate you for a fair and accurate summary of what I just said.

The question is, WHY has the trend been toward the more sick and rotten (IMO) point of view. I would suggest it is because of a successful effort of propaganda and demagoguery in that direction by the leftist media, education establishment, and entertainment community.

You are using circular logic if you are implying that the sick trend you describe somehow makes that view right or valid.

I left you out, Harlan, when I called out the leftists as the disgusting cowards they are--lacking the balls to defend their sick liberal positions. I don't suppose YOU, however, would care to discuss the issue on its merits, rather than just describing the rotten trend toward wrongheadedness.

[Tarlam!]

I have an absolute soul felt problem with Gay men being able to adopt children. I can't stop Lesbians from artificial insemination, though, I wish i could.

I have a real problem with homophobic couples raising kids. And yes, I know how loving they are. And how so many "normal" marriages are fucked.

I still cannot tolerate same sex couples raising our future.