So Happy For Mad And Harlan

[Zool]

Show some courage for once, Hoosier, Zool, Tyrone, Ziggy, Joe, any other leftists for whom the shoe fits, instead of running and hiding and diverting the discussion like you usually do.

Damn! I didn't know Zool was a leftist. That bastard! He hides it well.

Its when he started in on this that I knew this whole thing was an act.

[Zool]

I say give them their fucking rights but when they start crossing the line in public, treat them "equal" and cite their ass for being naked or exposing there sick selves or whatever sick shit they are doing.

And as for kids, fuck no do they deserve the right to adopt.

So you are saying give them their marriage rights except for adoption?

I would agree with this sentiment. Kids have a hard enough time trying to feel like they fit in when they go to school. They dont really need to explain that they have 2 dads or 2 moms. They will hide that fact for as long as possible to avoid ridicule.

Also, if you cant make a baby, you cant have a baby. I'm not a big fan of artificial insemination either. If you're not fertile, that might be nature trying to tell you something.

[Harlan Huckleby]

HH makes a pretty good case to exclude sexuality when it comes to adoption, but I think this is an issue that I can't be convinced on with arguments alone. I simply find it wrong that Gays and Lesbians be allowed to raise kids, because that's not how nature seems to have wanted it.

Actually, I didn't say sexuality should be completely excluded when considering adoption. (my posts are long and boring, so the details get lost.) I agree halfway with you, it is more desirable to have both a male and female role model raisng kids. But I think this is just one consideration in deciding whether two people can be good parents.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I would agree with this sentiment. Kids have a hard enough time trying to feel like they fit in when they go to school. They dont really need to explain that they have 2 dads or 2 moms. They will hide that fact for as long as possible to avoid ridicule.

This is EXACTLY the argument used in the 1950's and 60's to say that mixed race couples should not adopt, or even get married. And most people agreed with the argument. (Before this time it was considered too bizarre to even discuss.)

And there is truth to what was said before, and what you say now. But times change, people become more accepting.

Hell, I grew up in a household that had two daddies. My dad was usually a cheery guy, but turned into a raging bastard when he couldn't find his Time magazine, or when the grass didn't cut on the day he said it should.

[Scott Campbell]

My dad was usually a cheery guy, but turned into a raging bastard when he couldn't find his Time magazine, or when the grass didn't cut on the day he said it should.

Yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with his little shithead son.

[Harlan Huckleby]

My dad was usually a cheery guy, but turned into a raging bastard when he couldn't find his Time magazine, or when the grass didn't cut on the day he said it should.

Yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with his little shithead son.

you leave my brother out of this. this is family business, buzz off.

[GoPackGo]

Kids have a hard enough time trying to feel like they fit in when they go to school. They dont really need to explain that they have 2 dads or 2 moms. They will hide that fact for as long as possible to avoid ridicule.

Also, if you cant make a baby, you cant have a baby. I'm not a big fan of artificial insemination either. If you're not fertile, that might be nature trying to tell you something.

I don't think going to school and explaining that their parents weren't around and that they live in a state run group home would be any easier

[Zool]

Kids have a hard enough time trying to feel like they fit in when they go to school. They dont really need to explain that they have 2 dads or 2 moms. They will hide that fact for as long as possible to avoid ridicule.

Also, if you cant make a baby, you cant have a baby. I'm not a big fan of artificial insemination either. If you're not fertile, that might be nature trying to tell you something.

I don't think going to school and explaining that their parents weren't around and that they live in a state run group home would be any easier

Agreed, but I still think tab A into slot B should be the only way to get a kid.

[Deputy Nutz]

Who gives a shit, they are raising babies that were unwanted to begin with that most likely would grow up to be criminals. You narrow your view on how you expect them to raise a child. You narrow your view to the gay upbringing but yet you refuse to factor into your post the future that these two butt lovers saved the kid from.

Well, all those male/female couples that want to adopt and have to wait a trillion years probably give a shit, Nutz.

HH makes a pretty good case to exclude sexuality when it comes to adoption, but I think this is an issue that I can't be convinced on with arguments alone. I simply find it wrong that Gays and Lesbians be allowed to raise kids, because that's not how nature seems to have wanted it.

Next, HH or others could use that to argue against invitro fertilization, because nature clearly is selective. Or, nature can't be counted on if we add up all the crack babies. Or even better, arguing that single parentage is against nature, too, so we should take away all kids from divorced families. I've heard it all before. They are the classic counters. And I still disagree with it.

In this country, allowing same sex marriages was mainly accepted when it was realized by the vast majority that gays and lesbians had significant rights issues pertaining to illness and inheritance. And I can support that decision without blinking an eye. They should have a right to choose their partners and be equal in society. Except when it comes to child rearing, IMO.

Very rare that actual adoption from natural born babies in the United States go to gay couples. Usually they have to go to other countries orphanages and select from those.

Or they have to seek out private adoption from mothers that are pregnant. Trust me the United States is not slanted to help gay couples adopt children born in the United States.

It is a very low percentage for anyone to receive adoption from a US agency.

[GoPackGo]

Agreed, but I still think tab A into slot B should be the only way to get a kid.

that would be ideal, think about the kids with no family though.
Gay parents have to be better than no parents right?

[Deputy Nutz]

So, Ziggy, what you are saying is that we should give our societies "trash kids" to Gays and Lesbians, cause we "straight" people don't want 'em?

I can't begin to believe that that is correct, but it seems to play on Nutz' comment, also. How sick are we?

We are a very sick society, but that has nothing to do with gays trying to adopt kids. We seem to view children as a renewable resource in this country and it is sick. The mistreatment of children in the United States is very sad and unfortunately not recognized by enough people.

[Zool]

Agreed, but I still think tab A into slot B should be the only way to get a kid.

that would be ideal, think about the kids with no family though.
Gay parents have to be better than no parents right?

Not in my opinion. But maybe in the opinion of a kid without parents.

[Deputy Nutz]

Agreed, but I still think tab A into slot B should be the only way to get a kid.

that would be ideal, think about the kids with no family though.
Gay parents have to be better than no parents right?

Usually, unless they have all those typical wild gay sex parties with bondage orgies.

[GoPackGo]

Agreed, but I still think tab A into slot B should be the only way to get a kid.

that would be ideal, think about the kids with no family though.
Gay parents have to be better than no parents right?

Usually, unless they have all those typical wild gay sex parties with bondage orgies.

how do you know whats typical? hmmmmmm?

[Deputy Nutz]

Agreed, but I still think tab A into slot B should be the only way to get a kid.

that would be ideal, think about the kids with no family though.
Gay parents have to be better than no parents right?

Usually, unless they have all those typical wild gay sex parties with bondage orgies.

how do you know whats typical? hmmmmmm?

Just what I heard and fear about gay adoption