Democratic Party Implodes

[Harlan Huckleby]

The Dem meeting this weekend to whitewash the Florida-Michigan dirt was quite something. Here's some video:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/05/31/

It was supposed to be a public meeting on C-SPAN. But they took a 4-hour lunch and did a backroom deal.

They ended-up giving 1/2 vote to each delegate from MI & FL.

At the conclusion, Obama supporters in the room were making speeches calling for "unity", while the Clinton supporters booed them, and shouted "Denver! Denver!"

The only remotely fair way to deal with MI-FL was to have a revote.

[bobblehead]

this calls for a poll.

[Kiwon]

At least one voter agrees with HH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s

Also, Republican, Democrat, or Independent, this is an effective presentation from Hillary supporters in Florida. Somebody's got some talent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8aEwC5VZVA&feature=related

[cpk1994]

Re: Democratic Party Implodes

The Dem meeting this weekend to whitewash the Florida-Michigan dirt was quite something. Here's some video:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/05/31/

It was supposed to be a public meeting on C-SPAN. But they took a 4-hour lunch and did a backroom deal.

They ended-up giving 1/2 vote to each delegate from MI & FL.

At the conclusion, Obama supporters in the room were making speeches calling for "unity", while the Clinton supporters booed them, and shouted "Denver! Denver!"

The only remotely fair way to deal with MI-FL was to have a revote.

Wrong. Hillary agreed to the rules before the campaigns started. Now, becuase she can't win by the rules, she seeks to change them. Michigan and Florida were warned that they would not be seated ifd they moved their primary dates and they didn't listen. The rules should have been upheld and not changed becuase Hillary throws a hissy fit becuase the rules have worked against her. This is absolute BS.

[sheepshead]

Re: Democratic Party Implodes

The Dem meeting this weekend to whitewash the Florida-Michigan dirt was quite something. Here's some video:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/05/31/

It was supposed to be a public meeting on C-SPAN. But they took a 4-hour lunch and did a backroom deal.

They ended-up giving 1/2 vote to each delegate from MI & FL.

At the conclusion, Obama supporters in the room were making speeches calling for "unity", while the Clinton supporters booed them, and shouted "Denver! Denver!"

The only remotely fair way to deal with MI-FL was to have a revote.

Wrong. Hillary agreed to the rules before the campaigns started. Now, becuase she can't win by the rules, she seeks to change them. Michigan and Florida were warned that they would not be seated ifd they moved their primary dates and they didn't listen. The rules should have been upheld and not changed becuase Hillary throws a hissy fit becuase the rules have worked against her. This is absolute BS.

Democrat "rules" supersede the will of the people. Well, well. But isn't always the case. Look at the reason for the"Super Delegates" in the first place!. They dont trust the voters to get it right. Talk about disenfranchised.

Napoleon said"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake" There's no way in hell the Democrat's can win Michigan or Florida in a general election now.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Democratic Party Implodes

Wrong. Hillary agreed to the rules before the campaigns started. Now, becuase she can't win by the rules, she seeks to change them. Michigan and Florida were warned that they would not be seated ifd they moved their primary dates and they didn't listen. The rules should have been upheld and not changed becuase Hillary throws a hissy fit becuase the rules have worked against her. This is absolute BS.

Wait a second. The Obama supporters moved yesterday to change the rules, and dramatically so. Where in the rules does it say, "States will get to keep half their delegates if they move their primary forward."

The Obama phonies were cool with changing the rules yesterday because it provided political cover for the sleazy politics Obama engaged in. But changing the rules to allow a democratic resolution of a grossly unfair situation? NO CAN DO.

Where is your outrage, cpk1994? The rules were just changed.

The worst excuse I've heard from the Obama crowd for their thuggish refusal to allow votes in FL & MI is "it doesn't matter, Obama had enough delegates anyway." Perhaps true in hindsight, but that in no way excuses your behavior. If somebody wins by cheating, and later concludes they could have won with integrity if they had to, this is not so impressive.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Democratic Party Implodes

Democrat "rules" supersede the will of the people. Well, well. But isn't always the case. Look at the reason for the"Super Delegates" in the first place!. They dont trust the voters to get it right. Talk about disenfranchised.

I 100% agree with you, and yesterday's display of high-handedness was the cherry on the sundae. The Democratic Party needs a new name.

[cpk1994]

Re: Democratic Party Implodes

Wrong. Hillary agreed to the rules before the campaigns started. Now, becuase she can't win by the rules, she seeks to change them. Michigan and Florida were warned that they would not be seated ifd they moved their primary dates and they didn't listen. The rules should have been upheld and not changed becuase Hillary throws a hissy fit becuase the rules have worked against her. This is absolute BS.

Wait a second. The Obama supporters moved yesterday to change the rules, and dramatically so. Where in the rules does it say, "States will get to keep half their delegates if they move their primary forward."

The Obama phonies were cool with changing the rules yesterday because it provided political cover for the sleazy politics Obama engaged in. But changing the rules to allow a democratic resolution of a grossly unfair situation? NO CAN DO.

Where is your outrage, cpk1994? The rules were just changed.

The worst excuse I've heard from the Obama crowd for their thuggish refusal to allow votes in FL & MI is "it doesn't matter, Obama had enough delegates anyway." Perhaps true in hindsight, but that in no way excuses your behavior. If somebody wins by cheating, and later concludes they could have won with integrity if they had to, this is not so impressive.

How is it thuggish? They were pointing out the rules THEY ALL AGREED TO. The rules clearly stated that if you move your primary date you don't count. If the voters feel disenfranchised, tough shit. Take it up with their respective state parties for not following the rules. Yes what Obama agreed to is BS, and needless becuase OBama had the rules clearly on his side. That said, Hillary's supporters also AGREED to this deal. Also know the fact that it won't change the result. But it was done to try to finally shut Hillary up for good.

EDIT: I can't believe I'm sticking up for a guy I despise. I guess I despise Hillary even more.

[bobblehead]

How come when al gore had the majority vote, that was all that mattered, now that hillary has it, some votes don't count and its the delegates?

Even without FL and MI she is going to finish with more votes cast...where is the outrage now?

I for one call for an investigation, recount, court proceedings so that the supreme court can "give obama the nomination". Its funny how certain things only apply when they favor certain sides. If the democratic party ever wants to be taken seriously by people like me they have to start backing up what they say they believe in.

When Pelosi and co. were running to take control of the house they promised to drop gas prices (they went up about 70%) they promised to end earmarks (they went up about 35%). They promised to repeal the bush tax cuts (they haven't even voted on it). They promised to get us out of Iraq (they allowed a troop surge after they won).

Now I'm not saying I would likely vote for a democrat, but they gotta start actually doing what they campaign on.

As for fiscally conservative republican party....well, a new social program for prescription drugs, pet spending in damn near every district in the country, embracing the very beauracracies they called wasteful before. They need a little overhaul too, and obama might be just the poison we need to remind us what we are supposed to stand for.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Democratic Party Implodes

How is it thuggish? They were pointing out the rules THEY ALL AGREED TO. The rules clearly stated that if you move your primary date you don't count.

It was thuggish to block a revote because having a revote was possible, WITHIN the rules, and it presented the fairest resolution to an grossly unjust situation.

Punishing the voters of FL & MI, who did nothing wrong, was a stupid and unjust rule.

I'll ask you one more time: why do you not object to the total changing of the rules yesterday to include the delegates from FL & MI? (albeit with half a vote each.) As you just pointed out, the rule was that those states were not supposed to have any delegates.

The rules were changed yesterday in the interest of fairness and party unity. But "fairness" in this instance really translates into providing political cover for Obama. When "fairness" meant allowing the voters of FL & MI to vote, it wasn't a good enough reason.

[cpk1994]

Re: Democratic Party Implodes

How is it thuggish? They were pointing out the rules THEY ALL AGREED TO. The rules clearly stated that if you move your primary date you don't count.

It was thuggish to block a revote because having a revote was possible, WITHIN the rules, and it presented the fairest resolution to an grossly unjust situation.

Punishing the voters of FL & MI, who did nothing wrong, was a stupid and unjust rule.

I'll ask you one more time: why do you not object to the total changing of the rules yesterday to include the delegates from FL & MI? (albeit with half a vote each.) As you just pointed out, the rule was that those states were not supposed to have any delegates.

The rules were changed yesterday in the interest of fairness and party unity. But "fairness" in this instance really translates into providing political cover for Obama. When "fairness" meant allowing the voters of FL & MI to vote, it wasn't a good enough reason.

Then as I said before, TAKE IT UP WITH THE STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTIES. THey moved thieir primaries, they pay the penalty. Also, if it was such an unjust rule, WHY DID HILLARY AGREE TO IT? SHe was fine with it until it when against it and ONLY THEN did she rail against it. THats BS. If it was such an unjust rule, it never should have agreed upon. Hillary made her bed, she needs to lie in it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

When Pelosi and co. were running to take control of the house they promised to drop gas prices (they went up about 70%) they promised to end earmarks (they went up about 35%). They promised to repeal the bush tax cuts (they haven't even voted on it). They promised to get us out of Iraq (they allowed a troop surge after they won).

Pelosi is disgusted and hamstrung by the Senate. Pelosi has done what she can, but with the Senate Dems acting like they have stockhold syndrome nothing can be done.

Reid and Schumer have been...well, awful.

[sheepshead]

Re: Democratic Party Implodes

How is it thuggish? They were pointing out the rules THEY ALL AGREED TO. The rules clearly stated that if you move your primary date you don't count.

It was thuggish to block a revote because having a revote was possible, WITHIN the rules, and it presented the fairest resolution to an grossly unjust situation.

Punishing the voters of FL & MI, who did nothing wrong, was a stupid and unjust rule.

I'll ask you one more time: why do you not object to the total changing of the rules yesterday to include the delegates from FL & MI? (albeit with half a vote each.) As you just pointed out, the rule was that those states were not supposed to have any delegates.

The rules were changed yesterday in the interest of fairness and party unity. But "fairness" in this instance really translates into providing political cover for Obama. When "fairness" meant allowing the voters of FL & MI to vote, it wasn't a good enough reason.

Then as I said before, TAKE IT UP WITH THE STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTIES. THey moved thieir primaries, they pay the penalty. Also, if it was such an unjust rule, WHY DID HILLARY AGREE TO IT? SHe was fine with it until it when against it and ONLY THEN did she rail against it. THats BS. If it was such an unjust rule, it never should have agreed upon. Hillary made her bed, she needs to lie in it.

They cant run a campaign properly. They expect us to let them run the country?

At any level a liberal is a liberal and they all pretty much conduct themselves the same way. Do as I say, not as I do. Anything for power. The rules don't apply to us. What's the point in separating Hillary from that group?

[bobblehead]

When Pelosi and co. were running to take control of the house they promised to drop gas prices (they went up about 70%) they promised to end earmarks (they went up about 35%). They promised to repeal the bush tax cuts (they haven't even voted on it). They promised to get us out of Iraq (they allowed a troop surge after they won).

Pelosi is disgusted and hamstrung by the Senate. Pelosi has done what she can, but with the Senate Dems acting like they have stockhold syndrome nothing can be done.

Reid and Schumer have been...well, awful.

Very true, my very own crooked senator reid...we almost had him gone about 6-8 years ago when ensign ran against him and lost by 300 votes or so. He held on by a thread and a couple years later ensign took the other seat.....Interestingly this shows how strange voters are. Reid is an extreme party partisan liberal politician. Ensign is an extreme conservative (not necessarily partisan, he bags his own party sometimes) yet they both keep winning with the same voting populace. Am I retarded or does this just make no sense?

[Tarlam!]

Am I retarded or does this just make no sense?

Is that a trick question?