A MAJOR LEFTIST MEDIA ASSHOLE DOES THE COUNTRY A FAVOR

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But I say again, I don't post silly crap to be popular. I tell it like it is, ESPECIALLY when the stakes are so high.

But the approach you take, using the type of language you use and displaying the naked hatred obviously results in everyone hating you and your approach. So, as an ambassador of the far right, how does that help your cause in any way? As a conservative, I can see that you do far more damage to the cause than any good you might do in pointing out things like bias in the media. Was Russert biased? Of course he was. Is that a reason to celebrate his death? I think not. It's one thing to be honest about his legacy and his bias (which existed, but wasn't nearly as acute as others in the media), and a whole other issue to celebrate someone's death - EVEN IF you think he was bad for the U.S. You like to meet and golf with soldiers returning from Iraq, Tex. I've heard many of these same guys tell me, in response to questions like "doesn't it frustrate you to hear Democrats say bad things about you, etc." that these folks are Americans too, and that they protect ALL Americans, even those with whom they disagree. I agree that the far left has done and is damaging America, but you're never going to get anyone to listen to you if you celebrate the death of a fellow American. You can dislike people, and disagree with them, without being spiteful and callous.

QFT.

[PackFan#1]

It's just like TANK - everyone hates the guy, can't stand him, yet takes 10 pages of responses to explain how much they hate him and how much they hate responding to him.

I hate Tank/APB. I am glad he's banned.

[sheepshead]

So when I go off and rant about how rotten the guy was--as a member of and indeed one of the most effective members of that evil institution that is the left-saturated mainstream media, that is why I consider it justified--the harm he did and would have continued to do--INCLUDING the end of American dominance/compassion.

I find it interest how so many conservatives label the media as "leftist" or "liberal" when so much of the media is actually controlled by the right.

Fox News is heavily slanted towards the right.

If you listen to talk radio, most of the hosts range from the conservative right to the radical right such as Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Mike Savage.

Whether he realizes it or not, I believe Texas does not advocate a democracy for America, he supports a totalitarian form of government where the political leaders control the media and where political dissent is squashed.

Your take on Fox is off. You must be a left leaning liberal to have that view of Fox. The rest of the media IS left leaning which includes much larger entities like the 3 TV networks, the rest of radio and their hourly news casts, NPR which you and I pay for ,the rest of cable news, (you mentioned one channel albeit the largest)every major newspaper, magazine (including SI)the USA today and ..where most outlets including internet home pages get their news...the wire services - AP and the like. Your math is fuzzy at best.

Right. The whole media is left leaning, except for the truth sayers at Fox..which are objective.

It is almost impossible for me to believe you can actually say that with a straight face. A network run by Roger Ailes. LOL

Convenient for you to ignore radio.

Finally, stop your complaining about the liberal media. The news divisions are owned by CORPORATIONS. Corporations that want to make money. Obviously, if they continue to operate as they do..they are making money...satisfying their customers...or else they would lose money...and that wouldn't please their corporate masters.

Are you against the free market? If you or anyone else doesn't like what is out there...feel free to start your own websites (oops, convenient for you to ignore the tons of conservative websites), conservative magazines (oops, convenient for you to leave out those), or news networks (oops, convenient for you to either lie about fox, or to ignore other outlets like CBN).[/quote]

I didnt ignore radio at all, reread the post and if you think of it objectively, you have not had anything else to compare it to in your lifetime because it's been all left leaning for years. So when compared to everything else, it appears right wing. Call Fox right wing if you want but he was off base in attempting to paint a picture of an overall balanced media in this country. How in the world did a do-nothing radical like BHO get his parties nomination in the first place...??

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So when I go off and rant about how rotten the guy was--as a member of and indeed one of the most effective members of that evil institution that is the left-saturated mainstream media, that is why I consider it justified--the harm he did and would have continued to do--INCLUDING the end of American dominance/compassion.

I find it interest how so many conservatives label the media as "leftist" or "liberal" when so much of the media is actually controlled by the right.

Fox News is heavily slanted towards the right.

If you listen to talk radio, most of the hosts range from the conservative right to the radical right such as Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Mike Savage.

Whether he realizes it or not, I believe Texas does not advocate a democracy for America, he supports a totalitarian form of government where the political leaders control the media and where political dissent is squashed.

Your take on Fox is off. You must be a left leaning liberal to have that view of Fox. The rest of the media IS left leaning which includes much larger entities like the 3 TV networks, the rest of radio and their hourly news casts, NPR which you and I pay for ,the rest of cable news, (you mentioned one channel albeit the largest)every major newspaper, magazine (including SI)the USA today and ..where most outlets including internet home pages get their news...the wire services - AP and the like. Your math is fuzzy at best.

Right. The whole media is left leaning, except for the truth sayers at Fox..which are objective.

It is almost impossible for me to believe you can actually say that with a straight face. A network run by Roger Ailes. LOL

Convenient for you to ignore radio.

Finally, stop your complaining about the liberal media. The news divisions are owned by CORPORATIONS. Corporations that want to make money. Obviously, if they continue to operate as they do..they are making money...satisfying their customers...or else they would lose money...and that wouldn't please their corporate masters.

Are you against the free market? If you or anyone else doesn't like what is out there...feel free to start your own websites (oops, convenient for you to ignore the tons of conservative websites), conservative magazines (oops, convenient for you to leave out those), or news networks (oops, convenient for you to either lie about fox, or to ignore other outlets like CBN).

I didnt ignore radio at all, reread the post and if you think of it objectively, you have not had anything else to compare it to in your lifetime because it's been all left leaning for years. So when compared to everything else, it appears right wing. Call Fox right wing if you want but he was off base in attempting to paint a picture of an overall balanced media in this country. How in the world did a do-nothing radical like BHO get his parties nomination in the first place...??[/quote]

In my lifetime. What are you talking about. There have always been conservative magazines, the Christian Science monitor, etc.

Plenty of conservative talk radio..or bible thumpers on the air.

Appears right wing...right. IT IS RIGHT WING.

BHO: How in the world. Umm, the same way a do-nothing loser like Bush got elected. If you have the ability to be objective..you would ask the same about him. 5 years of being gov in a state that severely limits gubernatorial power hardly qualifies him for being pres..anymore than BHO.

And, at least BHO succeeded in college, law school, etc. The man was successful..as opposed to Bush who never succeed at anything..cept being a minority partner in the Rangers.

Lest you take this as an attack on all repubs..that isn't what i'm saying. Jeb would have been a more qualified candidate..so would about 100 others.

[Scott Campbell]

It's just like TANK - everyone hates the guy, can't stand him, yet takes 10 pages of responses to explain how much they hate him and how much they hate responding to him.

I hate Tank/APB. I am glad he's banned.

I miss the old version. This new version is kind of limp.

[bobblehead]

It's just like TANK - everyone hates the guy, can't stand him, yet takes 10 pages of responses to explain how much they hate him and how much they hate responding to him.

I hate Tank/APB. I am glad he's banned.

And your join date is amazingly right in line with his banning.

[bobblehead]

now let me really launch tyrone.

for the most part the radio is right wing because the left wing AS A RULE doesn't want discussion and/or debate on the ideas. They don't crave information and education like the right, and that is why fox is the most popular news station and the top 20 or so radio shows are all right wing.

Al Franken on radio...please. That whole air america thing failed miserably because the vast majority of the left is more interested in american idol than discussing political merit.

I started in on a lady recently about why she is a democrat after she went on a vitriolic rant about evil closed minded republicans, I stayed respectful, massaged her into about 3 sentences of debate and she finally got red and spouted "well, I'm a single issue voter and nobody is going to tell me what to do with my body and I don't wanna talk about it anymore".

Oh, she was happy to call bush a war criminal, and label conservatives closed minded, but when it came time to actually discuss it she didn't want to talk about it, and I know the libs who actually get on a website and post their opinion and do their best to back it up don't fall into this category, but in the general populace they do.

BTW, mraynrand....is that henry reardon on your avatar?

[mraynrand]

Bobble - The Painting is an idealized John Galt.

------

For everyone to ponder: A short blurb from Thomas Sowell, one of the brilliant rational-thought conservative stars:

"Only with Tim Russert's sudden death at the age of 58 has his true stature as a landmark journalist become as widely recognized as it has long deserved to be.

To ask who will replace him as host of "Meet the Press" is to confront the reality that there is no one comparable on the horizon. Those of us who have followed "Meet the Press" since the long ago days of Lawrence Spivak know that Russert was the best of some very good hosts.

What made Tim Russert special was not some trademark catchword or contrived persona. What you saw was what you got-- a down to earth guy who came on the air having thoroughly researched the subject and having a keen insight into politics and politicians. "

RIP and Godspeed, Mr. Russert.

[bobblehead]

been awhile since I read it, thought reardon was described with the red hair, and surprisingly the only thing I remember about galt in the book was that he was the one who worked at the railroad and talked to the one employee in the dining room. I just can't recall a physical description, I might have to find it and read it again.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

now let me really launch tyrone.

for the most part the radio is right wing because the left wing AS A RULE doesn't want discussion and/or debate on the ideas. They don't crave information and education like the right, and that is why fox is the most popular news station and the top 20 or so radio shows are all right wing.

Al Franken on radio...please. That whole air america thing failed miserably because the vast majority of the left is more interested in american idol than discussing political merit.

I started in on a lady recently about why she is a democrat after she went on a vitriolic rant about evil closed minded republicans, I stayed respectful, massaged her into about 3 sentences of debate and she finally got red and spouted "well, I'm a single issue voter and nobody is going to tell me what to do with my body and I don't wanna talk about it anymore".

Oh, she was happy to call bush a war criminal, and label conservatives closed minded, but when it came time to actually discuss it she didn't want to talk about it, and I know the libs who actually get on a website and post their opinion and do their best to back it up don't fall into this category, but in the general populace they do.

BTW, mraynrand....is that henry reardon on your avatar?

1. Discussion: Oh, lord. Could you be more general and cliched?
2. Idol: Oh, yeah, it is the left watching idol.
3. Lady: Sounds like you were talking with Tex's evil doppelganger.

If you really want to discuss things, posts like this only make you appear closeminded and dismissive of liberals...as if they have some sorta group think. Liberals...exist in many forms, with many different issues. They semi coexist under the big tent..but, they all don't support each other's issue.

People that tend to have one thought process and ideals are the conservatives. That is why it is easier to rally/manipulate them.

[texaspackerbacker]

Oregon, it's absolutely incredible that you could CONTINUE to be so much in denial. You have just listed the miniscule exceptions to the left-extremist saturated mainstream media--Fox, which, contrary to what you said, actually bends over backwards to avoid slanted reporting of the news, and Rush Limbaugh--along with some Rush wannabes who comprise talk radio. They, however, unlike the God damned mainstream media, make no pretense of being anything but biased--the counter to the devilishly subtle mainstream media--what Russert was and so many others continue to be--wolves in sheep's clothing--slanting wha t is passed off as objective news coverage.

And the bottom line is that there are a helluva lot of THEM, compared to only one Fox--which doesn't even stoop to the same level of bias.

You know that's true, Oregon, unless you really are completely out of touch.

[packinpatland]

Bending over backwards? Fox, on Mrs. Obama.

"Fox News called her “Obama’s baby mama,” a derogatory term for an unwed mother. Christopher Hitchens , a Slate columnist, claimed — with scant evidence — that her college thesis proved she was once influenced by black separatism. National Review presented her as a scowling “Mrs. Grievance.”

[sheepshead]

So when I go off and rant about how rotten the guy was--as a member of and indeed one of the most effective members of that evil institution that is the left-saturated mainstream media, that is why I consider it justified--the harm he did and would have continued to do--INCLUDING the end of American dominance/compassion.

I find it interest how so many conservatives label the media as "leftist" or "liberal" when so much of the media is actually controlled by the right.

Fox News is heavily slanted towards the right.

If you listen to talk radio, most of the hosts range from the conservative right to the radical right such as Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Mike Savage.

Whether he realizes it or not, I believe Texas does not advocate a democracy for America, he supports a totalitarian form of government where the political leaders control the media and where political dissent is squashed.

Your take on Fox is off. You must be a left leaning liberal to have that view of Fox. The rest of the media IS left leaning which includes much larger entities like the 3 TV networks, the rest of radio and their hourly news casts, NPR which you and I pay for ,the rest of cable news, (you mentioned one channel albeit the largest)every major newspaper, magazine (including SI)the USA today and ..where most outlets including internet home pages get their news...the wire services - AP and the like. Your math is fuzzy at best.

Right. The whole media is left leaning, except for the truth sayers at Fox..which are objective.

It is almost impossible for me to believe you can actually say that with a straight face. A network run by Roger Ailes. LOL

Convenient for you to ignore radio.

Finally, stop your complaining about the liberal media. The news divisions are owned by CORPORATIONS. Corporations that want to make money. Obviously, if they continue to operate as they do..they are making money...satisfying their customers...or else they would lose money...and that wouldn't please their corporate masters.

Are you against the free market? If you or anyone else doesn't like what is out there...feel free to start your own websites (oops, convenient for you to ignore the tons of conservative websites), conservative magazines (oops, convenient for you to leave out those), or news networks (oops, convenient for you to either lie about fox, or to ignore other outlets like CBN).

I didnt ignore radio at all, reread the post and if you think of it objectively, you have not had anything else to compare it to in your lifetime because it's been all left leaning for years. So when compared to everything else, it appears right wing. Call Fox right wing if you want but he was off base in attempting to paint a picture of an overall balanced media in this country. How in the world did a do-nothing radical like BHO get his parties nomination in the first place...??

In my lifetime. What are you talking about. There have always been conservative magazines, the Christian Science monitor, etc.

Plenty of conservative talk radio..or bible thumpers on the air.

Appears right wing...right. IT IS RIGHT WING.

BHO: How in the world. Umm, the same way a do-nothing loser like Bush got elected. If you have the ability to be objective..you would ask the same about him. 5 years of being gov in a state that severely limits gubernatorial power hardly qualifies him for being pres..anymore than BHO.

And, at least BHO succeeded in college, law school, etc. The man was successful..as opposed to Bush who never succeed at anything..cept being a minority partner in the Rangers.

Lest you take this as an attack on all repubs..that isn't what i'm saying. Jeb would have been a more qualified candidate..so would about 100 others.

[/quote]



psssssssssst...George Bush isn't running for president.

[sheepshead]

Here is who BHO is running against Bigguns:

Many on the Left have been attacking John McCain viciously. Not his Senate record or positions on the major issues so much, as they have been attacking him for his service in Vietnam. Given Barack Obama's lack of significant accomplishment in anything other than selling books and making speeches, it is hardly surprising that he and his followers would regard McCain's most distinctive service as a threat to Obama's ambition. It is also apparent that most Obama supporters have no real idea of what McCain did as a Navy officer that sets him apart from so many of his fellow veterans. I have written before that I disagree with a number of McCain's political positions, and I dislike the way he has treated fellow Republicans, especially President Bush. None of that, however, diminishes what John McCain accomplished as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

On October 26, 1967, Lieutenant Commander John McCain was shot down during his twenty-third mission in an A-4 Skyhawk bomber over Hanoi. Commander McCain was on that mission as part of his long service to the United States; he graduated from the US Naval Academy at Annapolis in 1958, and remained on active duty despite having his plane literally shot out from under him in an accidental missile discharge from another plane on the deck of the USS Forrestal earlier that year.

The destruction of his jet caused McCain serious injuries. He broke bones in both arms, one leg, and landed in a lake. Once he reached shore, the already injured McCain was attacked and beaten by North Vietnamese soldiers, one using a rifle butt to dislocate hs shoulder while another bayonetted him. He was denied medical treatment for four days, during which time he was beaten and interrogated using real torture methods, not the stuff liberals like to call 'torture' now. McCain refused to give information beyond his name, rank, and serial number. It was only when the North Vietnamese realized that McCain's father was a senior Admiral that he received medical treatment, and it was not much even there. No anesthesia or antibiotics were used, and the bones were not even set for another half-week.

Up to this point, John McCain's story is that of an honorable man who suffered from conditions of war and cruel abuse. What follows is where we see his heroism.

- continued -

The North Vietnamese understood that Commander McCain's father was Admiral McCain, and from the beginning tried to use this for propaganda purposes. While men like John Kerry played the system in order to go home early from the war, Commander McCain repeatedly refused special treatment and offers to be set free ahead of men he knew had been longer in captivity. He also refused attempts by the North Vietnamese to use him in propaganda films, and for this was designated for "special treatment", a regimen of regular torture and deprivation that killed most men who suffered it. In the first six weeks of his imprisonment, McCain lost 50 pounds and temporarily the use of his arms and legs; when he was finally allowed to share a cell with two other officers, his condition was so grave that they did not expect him to survive for more than a week. His fellow officers nursed McCain to somewhat better health, and for this were assigned to different quarters. McCain again refused to cooperate with the North Vietnamese and he was locked in a muddy room with no windows, a tin roof and only two holes drilled in to keep him from suffocating, and McCain was kept there for two years.

Unknown to the Communists, McCain had already started his work from the inside. He had memorized the names of all 335 men he knew to be prisoners in North Vietnam, and when Major Norris Overly, USAF, was released he carried McCain's information with him. Even in prison, John McCain continued to serve his country.

In mid-1968, the North Vietnamese decided that if they released McCain, it would not only show them as merciful but suggest that American 'elites' expected to be treated better than ordinary soldiers. But Commander McCain consistently refused to play along, refusing to be released unless every man who had served as long as him was also released, and refusing on all occasions to say a single bad thing about the United States or the war effort. Despite his solitary confinement, McCain used a tap code to make contact with Ernie Brace, a civilian pilot shot down over Laos. Brace had been badly abused by the Communists and was in bad shape emotionally. McCain worked to restore Brace's spirit and confidence, and in so doing bolstered his own.

In June of 1968, the Communists again tried to talk McCain into accepting special treatment, and in return McCain said he'd be glad to go - after all the men he knew had been waiting longer. They tried again in July, after Mccain's father became CINCPAC. McCain again refused, for which he was beaten, his ribs cracked and one of his arms rebroken, and after which he was left bound between beating sessions for another four days. To shame him, the Communists left McCain naked and unfed.

McCain knew what could happen in the prisons, like Dick Stratton's being burned with cigarettes and his fingernails pulled. He knew men who had been beaten to death, like Ed Atterberry. Punishment in a Communist prison was brutal and swift, yet even so McCain continued to resist his captors, tapping out communication and encouragement to other prisoners, as a true officer leads his men. Commander McCain was beaten for refusing to lie about conditions in the prison, for resisting the Communists' propaganda programs, for communicating with other prisoners, and often for no reason other than he was a man they could not defeat, could never own. McCain refused to meet with antiwar delegations, refused to cooperate with nations like France who supported the Communists, and always - always - refused to accept anything that was not provided for all his fellow prisoners. McCain was tortured for holding church services, for praying, for singing the National Anthem, for refusing to admit "war crimes", and for cheering when Nixon ordered the bombing of Hanoi. McCain was no Superman, he felt every burn and cut and bruise and scrape of bone and tearing of ligament. Yet over and over and over again, he chose to accept torture rather than put himself ahead of his fellow prisoners, or his country.

On March 14, 1973, John McCain was finally released by North Vietnam, as one of the final prisoners to return home. He faced months of surgery and physical therapy to rebuild his body, but his spirit was unbroken and his mission fulflled. Whatever one thinks of John McCain's politics, he was and is a hero, and anyone who cannot admit that is a poor shell of a human being, too dismal to count as a true person, let alone an American.

Sources: Wikipedia, "John McCain: An American Odyssey" by Robert Timburg, US News & World Report (May 14 1973 issue)

[woodbuck27]

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=tim_russert_stop_the_inanity