Joe Horn - man of action

[Scott Campbell]

I think I understand where Harlan is coming from. He's a softie. What's the harm in letting these poor fellas take another couple thousand dollars worth of stuff that the rich neighbors probably didn't need anyway. Unfortunately, the world is not always kind to softies, and they are more likely to be victimized than people brave enough to stand up for neighbors, and take action against thugs. It certainly would have been easier to go hide in the basement.

Perhaps some day in the distant future society will evolve into a kindler and gentler world, where Harlan's brand of fairness will have more practical potential. Until then, we need more people like Joe Horn that are willing to deal with Harlan's "victims", or as the law might define them - convicted felons.

[Zool]

If you criticize one solution, its on you to come up with a better one.

In this case, I would say let the cops do the job.

In general, I am ok with people having guns for self-protection. But the laws have to be STRICTLY written to limit their use to self-defense against immediate threats against personal safety. Not property. Not anger at your neighbor being burlarized.

Well clearly this solution is not working and hasnt been working for many many years now. You think 200 years ago people had home owners insurance? Well in a way they did. They all owned guns. Call it savage or primitive, but if you were going to commit a crime, you knew the possible outcome.

I've said it before, if you eliminate repeat offenders, you'd have a lot less crime.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If you criticize one solution, its on you to come up with a better one.

In this case, I would say let the cops do the job.

In general, I am ok with people having guns for self-protection. But the laws have to be STRICTLY written to limit their use to self-defense against immediate threats against personal safety. Not property. Not anger at your neighbor being burlarized.

Well clearly this solution is not working and hasnt been working for many many years now. You think 200 years ago people had home owners insurance? Well in a way they did. They all owned guns. Call it savage or primitive, but if you were going to commit a crime, you knew the possible outcome.

I've said it before, if you eliminate repeat offenders, you'd have a lot less crime.

The cops would have done the job fine in this case, you ignored this.

I am not against people owning guns for self-defense. But you have to deal with the craziness that can happen without strict guidelines. People do stupid stuff. Shooting those two burglars was really stupid and totally unnecessary, the dude basically got angry and went huntin.
I know some people think this is fine, since the dead guys were apparently criminals, but I think its crazy, and we'll just have to disagree.

[MadtownPacker]

I have to wonder if Harlan has ever committed a burglary similar to these corpses in his youth. If he did it is too bad it wasnt in TX and Joe Horn wasnt available.

I have done a few fucked up things in my past and had I got smoked because of them I would have felt I deserved what I got.

[Zool]

If you criticize one solution, its on you to come up with a better one.

In this case, I would say let the cops do the job.

In general, I am ok with people having guns for self-protection. But the laws have to be STRICTLY written to limit their use to self-defense against immediate threats against personal safety. Not property. Not anger at your neighbor being burlarized.

Well clearly this solution is not working and hasnt been working for many many years now. You think 200 years ago people had home owners insurance? Well in a way they did. They all owned guns. Call it savage or primitive, but if you were going to commit a crime, you knew the possible outcome.

I've said it before, if you eliminate repeat offenders, you'd have a lot less crime.

The cops would have done the job fine in this case, you ignored this.

I am not against people owning guns for self-defense. But you have to deal with the craziness that can happen without strict guidelines. People do stupid stuff. Shooting those two burglars was really stupid and totally unnecessary, the dude basically got angry and went huntin.
I know some people think this is fine, since the dead guys were apparently criminals, but I think its crazy, and we'll just have to disagree.

I agree to disagree then. I think repeat offenders should be taken out of commission. If shooting them in the back is the method of choice, then so be it. I feel the same about sex offenders. Society is becoming soft and stupid.

There will always be people who think they are alpha's and will attempt to dominate those they consider less than them. It seems that more and more lately, these predators are allowed to continue doing whatever they want whenever they want with the only repercussion for being caught is some jail time. Even this jail time is becoming a joke. Its no deterrent at all.

Everyone makes mistakes. But when you keep making the same mistakes, doesn't that seem like a pattern of disregard for all the laws you want upheld?

If someone breaks into my house while I'm there, they might as well assume they will be beaten unconscious unless they shoot me first. I'm not a huge fan of guns, but I'm a big proponent for consequences for actions. I won't be the victim if someone threatens me and mine.

[SkinBasket]

I think I understand where Harlan is coming from. He's a softie.

Come on now. It's like you don't think Harlan's position, which happens to be based off of some fella named Quanell X's views, holds less merit than that of a grand jury.

[bobblehead]

If you criticize one solution, its on you to come up with a better one.

In this case, I would say let the cops do the job.

In general, I am ok with people having guns for self-protection. But the laws have to be STRICTLY written to limit their use to self-defense against immediate threats against personal safety. Not property. Not anger at your neighbor being burlarized.

Well clearly this solution is not working and hasnt been working for many many years now. You think 200 years ago people had home owners insurance? Well in a way they did. They all owned guns. Call it savage or primitive, but if you were going to commit a crime, you knew the possible outcome.

I've said it before, if you eliminate repeat offenders, you'd have a lot less crime.

The cops would have done the job fine in this case, you ignored this.

I am not against people owning guns for self-defense. But you have to deal with the craziness that can happen without strict guidelines. People do stupid stuff. Shooting those two burglars was really stupid and totally unnecessary, the dude basically got angry and went huntin.
I know some people think this is fine, since the dead guys were apparently criminals, but I think its crazy, and we'll just have to disagree.

Just curious...if the man had walked out cool and calm and put a round in each skull without being angry it woulda been ok?? I mean assuming he said stop or you die first. the anger seems to be a theme in your problem with this...I can assure you that I can calmly put down an animal (which is what those who can't respect others property are) with very little emotion involved...would I be better than joe horn?

[the_idle_threat]

In the early days, horse and cattle theives were hanged. Then justice evolved to where theft of property was not a capital offense. Now, the laws have "evolved" so far that they're no deterrent at all, and criminals are so emboldened and protected by the law that people are in favor of shooting lawbreakers when caught in the act. It's a natural reaction to the laws getting too soft on crime.

Harlan, your theory that the police could have handled this situation far better than Mr. Horn did is faulty in that they would have been caught, but then what? How long after they're released from jail/prison and perhaps deported would they be back in a neighborhood, breaking into people's houses again? I'm glad that burglars have to worry about a Mr. Horn being around to stop the cycle.

[Tarlam!]

When I was 21, some scum bucket broke into my car. He stole the tools of my trade, my Chef knives. I went to work that day feeling naked and just sitting in my car, I felt really dirty. I can't imagine what vicitms of sexual offenses must feel like.

Joe Horn is a hero to me.

Crimes like taking drugs I don't find are worth the death penalty. One is just abusing one's self.

But if you break into my house or car or if you sell crack to my son or touch my daughter against her will, I'm gonna want to kill you. Stone fucking dead. I don't care what colour your skin is, which God you whorship to or not or how young and foolish you might be. Given the opportunity, I would want to see you dead.

Ironically, and this is what makes Joe Horn a hero for me, I don't know if I have it in me to actually pull the trigger on a burglar. I think that takes a lot of courage.

If I actually did have the courage in the heat of the moment, I wouldn't feel an ounce of guilt. I could look your mother, sister, wife or child directly in the eyes and not blink. Of that I am convinced.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Harlan, your theory that the police could have handled this situation far better than Mr. Horn did is faulty in that they would have been caught, but then what? How long after they're released from jail/prison and perhaps deported would they be back in a neighborhood, breaking into people's houses again? I'm glad that burglars have to worry about a Mr. Horn being around to stop the cycle.

I can't comment on your theory that criminals don't do enough time. Maybe, I just don't know. But the answer is not to have vigilante executions.

I'm ok with people protecting their safety with firearms. As far as protecting property, nah. Burglars are going to flee at the site or sound of a shotgun.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Just curious...if the man had walked out cool and calm and put a round in each skull without being angry it woulda been ok??

no, of course not. I emphasize anger because people make decisions on emotion, that is the problem with vigilante justice.

[bobblehead]

Just curious...if the man had walked out cool and calm and put a round in each skull without being angry it woulda been ok??

no, of course not. I emphasize anger because people make decisions on emotion, that is the problem with vigilante justice.

Well, honestly I can't say what I woulda done, but I can say that I don't have any problem with what happened. I live in a safe area with low crime and haven't ever drawn my weapon on anyone.

If I lived in a crime ridden area with young thugs breaking into my neighbors house and it was getting outta control I might very well shoot them if I saw them. I did have my car broken into twice and I can only guess what I woulda done if I had caught the pricks in the act.