Shoot um up

[SkinBasket]

I'm sorry if i misstated your positions, mr. skinbasket. you earlier expressed anger at the equivocation of teens stealing beer and columbians running away with a bag of stolen loot. I only assumed ... well, silly me.

I bet you're sorry you sad sack of shit. 90% of what you post is a misstatement, intentional or not. Your pathetic fucking "equivocation" was that of teens cleaning out a garage being mistaken for thieves being shot in your lame fucking attempt to draw race into this argument to augment your omnipotent divination skills concerning Joe Horn's true motivations for shooting and your dire predictions of a Texas Armageddon if something wasn't done to make people like Joe Horn accountable for acting within the law.

It's the same tired shit from you. You can't even keep your own fucking argument straight, much less anyone else's, so what's the point?

[Deputy Nutz]

Why so they can get out of prison in 2 years, or get deported, hop a fence and come right back in as undocumented criminals that can't be tracked? Kill them, it is easier and less of a hassle.

Sounds like you are just back from your Jr Nazi club meeting. Can you hold back on the redneck talk. You are giving Harlan merit to his pathetic argument. Brown, white, black or green, it was OK for The Great Joe Horn to smoke them like Texas BBQ.

These guys are Colombians, you want to fuck with Colombians? I spoke the truth. They come right back over, there is no parole for these guys, there is no way of keeping tabs on them, until they would have been caught for another crime.

If, and I mean if Joe Horn shot them because he was fearful of his life and that of his family I don't hesitate to understand why he did it. I do mean a fear that goes past just that moment as well. Colombian tells friend, That neighbor is the one that spotted us and is the witness, go pop a cap in his ass. or for fear out of revenge. I don't want to witness a Colombian doing anything but picking coffee beans.

[Scott Campbell]

Vigilante executions are a real bad idea.

Agreed. Vigilante executions are a real bad idea.

Though this wasn't a vigilante execution. And your attempt to classify it as such is vintage Harlan.

[Scott Campbell]

Harlan attempted to portray this as a Texas phenomenon - an aberration of US legal system. Here are the other Castle Doctrine states:

Since the enactment of the Florida legislation, Alabama[8], Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, and Texas have adopted similar statutes, and other states (Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Washington, and Wyoming) are currently considering "Stand Your Ground" laws of their own. These statutes create a presumption of innocence for people who use deadly force whenever they are threatened with violence in their home, car, or place of business and also provide civil immunity from possible lawsuits arising from the use of force in these contexts. Links: 1 2.[9]

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm sorry if i misstated your positions, mr. skinbasket. you earlier expressed anger at the equivocation of teens stealing beer and columbians running away with a bag of stolen loot. I only assumed ... well, silly me.

I bet you're sorry you sad sack of shit. 90% of what you post is a misstatement, intentional or not. Your pathetic fucking "equivocation" was that of teens cleaning out a garage being mistaken for thieves being shot in your lame fucking attempt to draw race into this argument to augment your omnipotent divination skills concerning Joe Horn's true motivations for shooting and your dire predictions of a Texas Armageddon if something wasn't done to make people like Joe Horn accountable for acting within the law.

It's the same tired shit from you. You can't even keep your own fucking argument straight, much less anyone else's, so what's the point?

No, I wasn't comparing teens cleaning out a garage with the Joe Horn situation, I was comparing teens spotted stealing stuff from the garage of a neighbor. (Of course it might later turn out that something different than a theft was going on over there, but that is always the case.)

I'm trying to get your opinion on when it is justified to kill somebody. Would you shoot the teens? Would you have shot the fleeing Columbians?

[Harlan Huckleby]

These statutes create a presumption of innocence for people who use deadly force whenever they are threatened with violence in their home, car, or place of business and also provide civil immunity from possible lawsuits arising from the use of force in these contexts. Links: 1 2.[9]

I agree with these laws. A person ought to be able to use deadly force in self-defense.

[bobblehead]

Why so they can get out of prison in 2 years, or get deported, hop a fence and come right back in as undocumented criminals that can't be tracked? Kill them, it is easier and less of a hassle.

Sounds like you are just back from your Jr Nazi club meeting. Can you hold back on the redneck talk. You are giving Harlan merit to his pathetic argument. Brown, white, black or green, it was OK for The Great Joe Horn to smoke them like Texas BBQ.

These guys are Colombians, you want to fuck with Colombians? I spoke the truth. They come right back over, there is no parole for these guys, there is no way of keeping tabs on them, until they would have been caught for another crime.

If, and I mean if Joe Horn shot them because he was fearful of his life and that of his family I don't hesitate to understand why he did it. I do mean a fear that goes past just that moment as well. Colombian tells friend, That neighbor is the one that spotted us and is the witness, go pop a cap in his ass. or for fear out of revenge. I don't want to witness a Colombian doing anything but picking coffee beans.

You bring up a great point here. I have always had a hard time understanding how popping a guy who basically says I'll get you later isn't self-defense. I mean, there are dudes out there who will hunt you down sooner or later, and guys who are robbing your neighbor and know you can identify them COULD fall into that category.

That whole immediate threat thing is BS. This is why I got absolutely no sympothy for the robbers here. Could they be nonviolent guys who simply rob houses when people aren't home...sure. They also could be very dangerous guys who's next trick is kidnapping for profit or whatever. They were crooks, and if they didn't want to be buzzsawed by a shotgun they shoulda stuck to working an honest job.

[Scott Campbell]

It's the same tired shit from you. You can't even keep your own fucking argument straight, much less anyone else's, so what's the point?

Here's another great example of Harlan's inability to keep his own argument straight:

If you lsiten to this incident, its perfectly clear that this guy was just angry that some black guys (who turned out to be brown) might get away with burglary of his neighbor. Anger is now a justification for murder.

And then:

John Horn is every bit as much of a cold-blooded murderer as OJ.

So which is it? Did Joe shoot these guys out of anger, or in cold blood Harlan? Pick one.



Now notice how he keeps injecting race into the equation. If you dare disagree with Harlan's enlightened position, you brand yourself a racist. Such a nice debate tactic.

[Harlan Huckleby]

John Horn is every bit as much of a cold-blooded murderer as OJ.

So did Joe shoot these guys out of anger or in cold blood Harlan? Pick one.

Yes, you caught me in an inconsistency. John Horn is not a cold-blooded murderer, he murdered in anger. OJ was the same way, he killed out of passion, he loved Nicole so much.

I apologize to Joe Horn and OJ for incorrectly describing them as cold-blooded.

[Scott Campbell]

John Horn is not a cold-blooded murderer, he murdered in anger.

Joe is a 61 year old retiree. You guess that he was angry, which certainly makes sense. But it also makes sense that he was scared shitless.

If those thieves were desperate enough to break in through a window, and rob that families house, it's not much of a stretch for them to be desperate enough to be potentially armed, and willing to shoot those standing between themselves and their continued freedom. In that situation, all Horn had to do was to feel threatened for an instant to be justified in pulling the trigger. What he did was reasonable. That grand jury had no choice. This case never went to trial - he wasn't even indicted.

People rarely get prosecuted in these situations no matter what state they reside in, or what the particular laws state.

[Harlan Huckleby]

John Horn is not a cold-blooded murderer, he murdered in anger.

He was 61 years old. You guess that he was angry, which certainly makes sense. But it also makes sense that he was scared shitless.

Did he think those Columbians were gonna launch a missle at him out of their asses as they were fleeing? He shot them in the back, and they continued to stagger away several yards before they dropped dead.

At the end of the 911 call, Joe pleads, "I had to do it, I had no choice." He is claiming self-defense, but the facts of the killings suggest he was just covering his ass, having realized what he had just done.

Thieves aren't going to attack a man with a shotgun. They were running away. If he wanted to fire some shots, he could have fired above their heads, but even that was obviously unnecessary.

[Scott Campbell]

They were running away.

How do you know they were running?

[Scott Campbell]

Thieves aren't going to attack a man with a shotgun.

Yeah, it's amazing how conveniently predictable all thieves are. That's why cops catch them all, and crime has been eradicated throughout the world.

Did you look at Joe's picture? Does he look very intimidating? This portly old fella is not likely to be mistaken for Rambo or Dirty Harry anytime soon. What if he looked scared shitless, and the convicted felons took him for the easy mark that his picture projects. Took one step toward him, thought better of it as he raised his weapon, and started to turn as he pulled the trigger. The autopsy said they weren't hit squarely in the back.

You give a quick listen to the tape and are willing to label your interpretation of what happened as fact, when the fact is that Joe is the only one left that knows exactly how it all happened. So many of your statements of fact are pure conjecture and speculation.

And you're awfully quick to call him a cold blooded murderer, without any benefit of due process. In fact, you're willing to look completely past the due process that did take place because they're just a bunch of redneck Texas hicks that hate minorities anyway - especially the brown and black ones. And while that's a pretty liberal paraphrase, I think it pretty fairly captures the tone you've projected in your little sermons.

[Harlan Huckleby]

half way into the 911 call, while Joe is watching the thieves at his neighbor's house, Joe tells the dispatcher, "I'm gonna kill 'um"


Self-defense? ya, right.

[MJZiggy]

I've said I was gonna kill my ex enough times that I'd best hope nothing ever happens to the man...