Oil price drop....largest in 17 years

[retailguy]

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What bothers me the most is that Congress will vote to fund a war or invade at the drop of a hat but not to sensibly develop some mineral reserves.

I agree with the second part of your point, and I concede that it is BOTH sides of the aisle who won't develop our reserves and that's really sad.

And, FWIW we didn't invade at the "drop of a hat".... there was some significant provocation and the violation of dozens of UN resolutions and some probably deception too. So we can disagree on that point, and agree on the other, right? :P

[Tyrone Bigguns]

1. Prices. Again, our gov't says it won't affect prices. Newt says it will. Which conservative should i believe? Or, just you...an anonymous poster. LOL

Ok, you're so hung up on prices, it makes me laugh. As if the ONLY reason to drill is that prices go down. Frankly I don't care whether you believe Bush or Newt or me. Just tell me why half the economic equation works and the other half doesn't. You know - the part of my answer you SKIPPED. (The fundamental truth part...)

Then tell me why it's better to give billions of dollars to Middle East dictators rather than Alaskans. Last time I checked they weren't dictators but AMERICANS.

2. Fox isn't conservative. LOL

3. Lawyes losing. If that is what you think, good for you. It would be hard to imagine them ever winning or drawing...when you can't even see the fundamental truths like Fox being conservative.

You can't be serious. A fundamental truth? Hell, I thought economics or physics were fundamental truths. Now, FOX is a fundamental truth? Please. This is a strawman argument if I've ever heard of one. You believe Fox is conservative therefore it's a fundamental truth. And I'm "just some guy on the internet", but YOU define fundamental truths. And you're not a hypocrite or "some guy on the internet"? Jeez. There's a double standard...

Let's see. The conservative says FOX is not conservative. The Liberal says they are. In your mind the liberal is correct and it's a fundamental truth. In my mind that make fox fair I guess.

Anyone with a brain ought to see your bias, hypocrisy and intolerance of other views.

As to the law students, not lawyers, they're young and idealistic. No clue how the real world works. No capacity to see the big picture. I see them similar to you. Love to argue but have little more than rhetoric.

4. I get the other side of the argument. Who said i didnt'? The point is i highly doubt you are reading moveon's site or emails. But, i love how you "subtlely" imply that those of us who don't buy your shit haven't figured it out...or are just too stupid.

I do read moveon's site. i sure don't subscribe to their emails. I do educate myself to the opposing point of view, and I DON'T refer to my perspective as a "fundamental truth"...

And you don't get the other side of the argument. You won't even read it. So lets be clear, I said you don't get it. And I guess that's a fundamental truth too.

5. Will. And, again, who said i haven't (the usual rhetoric..gov't, media, taxes, no new drilling, blame clinton for no new anwr drilling, . Wow, i should be impressed with another conservative columnist? Remind me again about his economic credentials? Right, he doesn't have any. He is PhD in politics.

Would you care to discuss Will's journalistic integrity. As will even stated.."inappropriate" in regards to carter vs. reagan.

Or Fairness and Accuracy criticizing his role in the 96 election..oops, his wife was on Dole's staff. Yet, he didn't disclose it.



Or, his inaccurate and widely quoted..cuba/china drilling story?

I asked you WHAT HE SAID, not who he was. I don't give a shit if you think he's credible or not. Quite frankly, your ilk has been telling me for years that personal ethics don't matter, whether it's in your bedroom, or in your bed beneath your desk in the oval office. IT DOESN'T MATTER.

So, ignore the messenger, read the message. I directed you to a point of view about OIL AND GAS. I could care less what his wife did for a living or whether or not he disclosed it. If this doesn't prove your "closemindedness" I just don't know what will.

You know, I'm no Tex or Bobblehead, but I thought I'd get a better response than your "C" game. This feeble attempt sure wasn't your "A" game. But whatever straw man. You believe whatever you choose to believe. See, if you can't conceive it, it can't be real. It just can't.

Enjoy the bus ride.... I'm done responding to your close minded ranting.

1. Economic equation. Shouldn't you be asking that of either the admin or Newt? I've already posted that i don't know which to believe.

2. Other reasons. Agreed. But, i prefer other sources..and more importantly dont' think the amount of oil we will get in the timeframe presented will help as much as other approaches.

3. Fundamental truth. While it may be an overstatement..as if you are not prone to them. Most people and media critics would put Fox in as a conservative media outlet. For you to not acknowledge this is hilarious.

Fox's founder and president, Roger Ailes, was for decades one of the savviest and most pugnacious Republican political operatives in Washington, a veteran of the Nixon and Reagan campaigns.

Hmm:

Tony Snow: conservative columnist and former chief speechwriter for the first Bush administration

David Asman formerly of the right-wing Wall Street Journal editorial page and the conservative Manhattan Institute

Eric Breindel, previously the editorial-page editor of the right-wing New York Post, was senior vice president of Fox's parent company, News Corporation, until his death in 1998

John Moody, a long-time journalist known for his staunch conservative views.

Brit Hume, a veteran TV journalist and contributor to the conservative American Spectator and Weekly Standard magazines

Bill O'Reilly, a columnist for the conservative WorldNetDaily.com and a registered Republican (that is, until a week before the Washington Post published an article revealing his party registration--12/13/00).

Catherine Crier, who was perceived as one of Fox's most prestigious and credible early hires, was an elected Republican judge before starting a career in journalism.

Pundit Mara Liasson--who was touted as an on-air "liberal" by Fox executives--sits on the board of the conservative human-rights group Freedom House and assured Ailes she was a republican

Hmm...punditry...heavily right-leaning punditry. Each episode of Special Report with Brit Hume, for example, features a three-person panel of pundits who chat about the day's political news at the end of the show. The most frequent panelist is Fred Barnes, the evangelical Christian supply-sider who edits the Murdoch-owned Weekly Standard.

The next most frequent guest is Mort Kondrake, who sits in the middle of the panel. Politically, Kondrake falls at the very rightward edge of the Democratic party-- if not beyond it. A dem who is "digusted with the dem party."

Do i need to go on?

OR should i let Scott Norvell..the London Bureau chief of Fox tell you as he stated in the WSJ?

"Even we at Fox News manage to get some lefties on the air occasionally, and often let them finish their sentences before we club them to death and feed the scraps to Karl Rove and Bill O'Reilly. And those who hate us can take solace in the fact that they aren't subsidizing Bill's bombast; we payers of the BBC license fee don't enjoy that peace of mind.

Fox News is, after all, a private channel and our presenters are quite open about where they stand on particular stories. That's our appeal. People watch us because they know what they are getting. The Beeb's institutionalized leftism would be easier to tolerate if the corporation was a little more honest about it."


4. Liberal is correct? HOw so? I've never once posted that. I merely have popped some canards that others float as truths.

5. "As to the law students, not lawyers, they're young and idealistic. No clue how the real world works. No capacity to see the big picture. I see them similar to you. Love to argue but have little more than rhetoric."

Hello, if this isn't elitism then what is. You passing judgement on what they know and how the real world works. LOL

6. Bias, etc. And, anyone with a brain also sees yours. I don't pretend to not have a bias or an opinion. Are you actually pretending that you are unbiased? LOL

7. Other side. Oh, i dont' read it or get it? LOL I read it and do get it. I guess if i do that and dont' agree..that means i'm stupid.

8. Ethics. My side...hardly. If my side said anything..it was that sexual stuff is not relevant. Putting out factually wrong statements and hiding your ties to a a campaign, etc..that is much different..and the fact that he apologized should tell you something.

BTW, i read Will all the time..be it the paper or Newsweek..and i put in parenthesis what he believes. Guess that was too tough for you.

9. A game. Ah, your usual strawman. If i dont' believe what you believe then it is a failing on my part. It is because i can't conceive of it. LOL

Could it be that i disagree and have a valid viewpoint. No. Because liberals are just wrong. And, we just aren't smart enough to see how right conservatives are.

[bobblehead]

Enjoy the bus ride.... I'm done responding to your close minded ranting.

Welcome to the club..well, if 2 makes a club.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Enjoy the bus ride.... I'm done responding to your close minded ranting.

Welcome to the club..well, if 2 makes a club.

Will you two be wearing the official club garments? Please be sure to let Retail where to pickup the pointy white hat.