Very quiet day for our gun toting rats

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Expected to hear more from our gun toting rats about the knoxville shooting.

I"m sure that if the church going folks had only brought guns to church things would have turned out differently.

[oregonpackfan]

Unfortunately, the country has a few, isolated crazies like this guy with guns. who suddenly release their violent craziness on innocent people.

[Kiwon]

I hate stories like this.

The guy wrote that he was hoping to be killed by the police. In other words he wanted to commit suicide but didn't have the guts to turn his shotgun on himself.

He's just another coward whose life will end in prison after the taxpayers have paid for his incarceration for 20 years.

If someone wants to kill himself then he should have the courage to just do it without harming the innocent. These husbands who wipe out their families and then kill themselves in a murder-suicide are the worst examples.

Everybody loses in the end.

[Freak Out]

I will admit that I have read very little about the shooting but saw a short headline about how the guy "just wanted to kill liberals". Has Texas and the rest of the Circle been accounted for?

[texaspackerbacker]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

[falco]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

if only tim russert was left, he could have shot him

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

if only tim russert was left, he could have shot him

Sigh. THe good ones always get away.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

Yep...as you said..."kook".."one of us."

Like shootin fish in a barrell.

[th87]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

Hmm.

ter·ror·ism - n. - 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Knoxville guy:

1. Used violence.
2. To kill liberals (people he disagreed with), i.e. for political purposes.

ergo, Knoxville guy = terrorist.

It is noted that Tex does not issue a condemnation of this terrorist act.

[Kiwon]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

Hmm.

ter·ror·ism - n. - 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Knoxville guy:

1. Used violence.
2. To kill liberals (people he disagreed with), i.e. for political purposes.

ergo, Knoxville guy = terrorist.

It is noted that Tex does not issue a condemnation of this terrorist act.

Hey, this is fun.

Let me try.

William Ayers: Admitted, unrepentant terrorist; Long-time, personal acquaintance of Barack Obama

Barack Obama:

1. Probable POTUS.
2. Long-time, personal acquaintance of William Ayers.
3. Refuses to denounce William Ayers as a terrorist.

ergo, the probable POTUS Barack Obama is a supporter of terrorism.

[Kiwon]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

Hmm.

ter·ror·ism - n. - 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Knoxville guy:

1. Used violence.
2. To kill liberals (people he disagreed with), i.e. for political purposes.

ergo, Knoxville guy = terrorist.

It is noted that Tex does not issue a condemnation of this terrorist act.

So 9-11 was a criminal act and should be tried in civilian courts but a church shooting was a terrorist attack and should be tried by what, a military tribunal? Does the Knoxville guy get sent to Gitmo too?

So the unemployed guy gets to enjoy the tropical weather and eat glazed chicken and receive the same standard of medical care that the guards receive. Probably he’ll gain the average 20 pounds that the Gitmo detainees usually do.

[th87]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

Hmm.

ter·ror·ism - n. - 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Knoxville guy:

1. Used violence.
2. To kill liberals (people he disagreed with), i.e. for political purposes.

ergo, Knoxville guy = terrorist.

It is noted that Tex does not issue a condemnation of this terrorist act.

Hey, this is fun.

Let me try.

William Ayers: Admitted, unrepentant terrorist; Long-time, personal acquaintance of Barack Obama

Barack Obama:

1. Probable POTUS.
2. Long-time, personal acquaintance of William Ayers.
3. Refuses to denounce William Ayers as a terrorist.

ergo, the probable POTUS Barack Obama is a supporter of terrorism.

Don't remember Obama stopping short of justifying Ayers' acts and silently applauding his actions. An A for effort though.

[th87]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

Hmm.

ter·ror·ism - n. - 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Knoxville guy:

1. Used violence.
2. To kill liberals (people he disagreed with), i.e. for political purposes.

ergo, Knoxville guy = terrorist.

It is noted that Tex does not issue a condemnation of this terrorist act.

So 9-11 was a criminal act and should be tried in civilian courts but a church shooting was a terrorist attack and should be tried by what, a military tribunal? Does the Knoxville guy get sent to Gitmo too?

So the unemployed guy gets to enjoy the tropical weather and eat glazed chicken and receive the same standard of medical care that the guards receive. Probably he’ll gain the average 20 pounds that the Gitmo detainees usually do.

Focus, kid. Don't know where you get all this irrelevance from. Team-Republican arguments are pretty much useless here.

Punishments are irrelevant in this example. The bottom line is that this guy committed an act of terrorism against Americans by definition, and Al Qaeda commits acts of terrorism against Americans by definition.

Both are bad people, but I find it strange that Tex "almost" justifies this violence on innocent Americans.

This is to question whether Tex's thought process is just as bad as those of terrorist sympathizers, simply because they both callously disregard the loss of innocent human life.

Of course, I can see what's coming: "These aren't equal acts, because Al Qaeda inflicts harm on truth, justice, and the American way, and this guy believes in truth, justice, and the American way."

And to this I'd reply: The killing of innocents is unjustified. Period. All killing of innocents is wrong (your gears are no doubt turning to bring in some pro-life argument, but I am pro-life under most circumstances). If it fits under the definition of terrorism, it is terrorism.

This isn't about Bush, or Obama, or the Patriot Act, or taxing the rich. This is strictly about the killing of innocent people, which Tex appears to "almost" condone.

[Kiwon]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

Hmm.

ter·ror·ism - n. - 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Knoxville guy:

1. Used violence.
2. To kill liberals (people he disagreed with), i.e. for political purposes.

ergo, Knoxville guy = terrorist.

It is noted that Tex does not issue a condemnation of this terrorist act.

Hey, this is fun.

Let me try.

William Ayers: Admitted, unrepentant terrorist; Long-time, personal acquaintance of Barack Obama

Barack Obama:

1. Probable POTUS.
2. Long-time, personal acquaintance of William Ayers.
3. Refuses to denounce William Ayers as a terrorist.

ergo, the probable POTUS Barack Obama is a supporter of terrorism.

Don't remember Obama stopping short of justifying Ayers' acts and silently applauding his actions. An A for effort though.

Are you sure that your memory isn't faulty?

I'm give myself a "D" because I was really trying, just having fun.

[Kiwon]

Apparently you lefties haven't been keeping up.

It was "one of us" doin' the shootin', and some of ya'all doin' the dyin'.

I'll stop short of saying "justified", but I will say the kook knew how to choose his targets.

Hmm.

ter·ror·ism - n. - 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Knoxville guy:

1. Used violence.
2. To kill liberals (people he disagreed with), i.e. for political purposes.

ergo, Knoxville guy = terrorist.

It is noted that Tex does not issue a condemnation of this terrorist act.

So 9-11 was a criminal act and should be tried in civilian courts but a church shooting was a terrorist attack and should be tried by what, a military tribunal? Does the Knoxville guy get sent to Gitmo too?

So the unemployed guy gets to enjoy the tropical weather and eat glazed chicken and receive the same standard of medical care that the guards receive. Probably he’ll gain the average 20 pounds that the Gitmo detainees usually do.

Focus, kid. Don't know where you get all this irrelevance from. Team-Republican arguments are pretty much useless here.

Punishments are irrelevant in this example. The bottom line is that this guy committed an act of terrorism against Americans by definition, and Al Qaeda commits acts of terrorism against Americans by definition.

Both are bad people, but I find it strange that Tex "almost" justifies this violence on innocent Americans.

This is to question whether Tex's thought process is just as bad as those of terrorist sympathizers, simply because they both callously disregard the loss of innocent human life.

Of course, I can see what's coming: "These aren't equal acts, because Al Qaeda inflicts harm on truth, justice, and the American way, and this guy believes in truth, justice, and the American way."

And to this I'd reply: The killing of innocents is unjustified. Period. All killing of innocents is wrong (your gears are no doubt turning to bring in some pro-life argument, but I am pro-life under most circumstances). If it fits under the definition of terrorism, it is terrorism.

This isn't about Bush, or Obama, or the Patriot Act, or taxing the rich. This is strictly about the killing of innocent people, which Tex appears to "almost" condone.

I get your larger point but you can say it directly without the spurious logic and arbitrary classification of a crime as an act of terrorism.

The man's goal was to have the police do for him what he wouldn't do for himself - ending his life. For an Army veteran who was supposedly huntin' liberals he did a lousy job. Three spent shells and 70 more on the ground? Yeah, a real trained killer.

The man was a hateful nut, a kook.

But the MSM editors can't wait to take his statements about blacks, gays, and liberals and superimpose his views on most people in the South, most people in Tennessee, most people with guns, most people with conservative views, etc. Of course, they miss the quote from the neighbor where he rejects Christianity and the Bible. That's the one part that doesn't fit the standard liberal template. But no matter, that detail can be overlooked because the story itself is too good for them to ignore.

You yourself show your bias by suggesting that conservatives would condone this murder's actions by saying that he "believes in truth, justice, and the American way." Why would you say something like that? Do you personally know someone who thinks this way? I doubt it. You said it so you can make another point that fits within your argument.

Let's hear your take on real terrorism by Muslims the last few days in Iraq, China, and India. bin-Laden says that there were no innocent victims in America on 9-11. Everyone was a legitimate target. Are you ready to condemn the prolific strain of Islam that he is pushing and has attracted a broad following rather than trying to equivocate based upon your own narrow definition of terrorism?

By the way, under what circumstances are you anti-Life?

Speak to Tex directly if you find what he said offensive. I don't think he is too shy to defend his views.

I hope you were sincere in your sentiments over the loss of innocent life. I am familiar with Knoxville and still know many folks there. I can promise you that the first expressions of sympathy and support to that Unitarian Universalist church and its congregation were made by Christians, by the Presbyterian, the Baptist, the Methodist, the Korean, Christian Science, and Greek Orthodox churches that are located very near that church.

Do you think Tyrone Bigguns is grieving the loss of innocent life in starting this thread? Hardly. He wanted to start an argument going about guns. People don't bring guns to church at 11 am on a Sunday because there is no threat. The argument he was trying to bait people into is ridiculous and posters ignored it.

What happened to the folks at the UU church was a heinous criminal act by a mentally unstable person. Nothing more, nothing less.