“I think that the surge has succeeded.........

[HowardRoark]

“.........in ways that nobody anticipated,” Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge.

Really? Nobody?

I think Senator McCain said something like, um, what was it......

"yes we can!!!!!!" (and those three words actually meant something that time)

[HowardRoark]

They are the ones they have been waiting for.

[HowardRoark]

There time is now!

[HowardRoark]

McCain was correct about the surge.

[HowardRoark]

Barack Obama was wrong.

[mraynrand]

The Iraqi government is working more effectively and has a higher approval rating than the Democrat controlled U.S. Congress.

[sheepshead]

The Iraqi government is working more effectively and has a higher approval rating than the Democrat controlled U.S. Congress.

[Harlan Huckleby]

the change in strategy really worked, the approach they took was just as important as the increase in troops.

but the news the past couple months has been bad. The fall elections were cancelled over the Kirkuk dispute. The Shitte gov seems intent on breaking-up the Sunni "Awakening" movement that the U.S. helped build, which could lead to a renewed insurgency.

I think we need the next president to be committed to seeing-through the situation, it's far from a done deal. An attitude of defining success as withdrawin troops is not going to cut it. The argument that Afghanistan counts and Iraq doesn't is patently bullshit, even if it might have been debatable 5 years ago.

[HowardRoark]

but the news the past couple months has been bad. The fall elections were cancelled over the Kirkuk dispute. The Shitte gov seems intent on breaking-up the Sunni "Awakening" movement that the U.S. helped build, which could lead to a renewed insurgency.

McCain should send over a dedicated community organizer to help out.

[mraynrand]

I think we should define success as bipartisanship between Sunni, Shia, and Kurds, healthcare for all Iraqis, a good job at a good wage, equal pay for equal work among the sexes, alternative energy (not nuclear) so that the Iraqis won't be at the mercy of radical governments like themselves, and abortions on demand. Until that's done, the war wasn't worth it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

this forum is lousy with wise guys. you can't throw a stone in any direction without hitting one of them. i suppose that is some consolation.

[mraynrand]

this forum is lousy with wise guys. you can't throw a stone in any direction without hitting one of them. i suppose that is some consellation.

Which constellation is it? I prefer scorpio:

[Harlan Huckleby]

so you edited my posted and inserted a mispelling just to make a wise crack?

How low will you go? You've set an all-new standard for pettiness now.

[mraynrand]

this forum is lousy with wise guys.

"Harlan, I love you." - Ken Wahl (Vinnie Terranova)

[mraynrand]

OOOOOOoooooo. WISE GUY!!!!



Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck!!!!!


(the answer to your question is: Pretty low)