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  • #31
    Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Originally posted by GBRulz
    It's very common for fashion designers, jewelers and handbag companies to loan things like this out for red carpet appearances and stuff. Heck, at the Oscar's this year, Diablo Cody's shoes alone were one million dollars.

    On the other hand, the women are highly scrutinized when it comes to their looks. Do you ever hear the media having a 30 minute discussion on how tacky Obama looks with his dress shirt sleeves rolled up all the time? no. It's sad that the media has to focus on what look Sarah or Cindy need to do about their style. Same focus was made on Hillary's pantsuits and how her dark colors made her appear cold and bitter.
    Actually, you are wrong. I have heard the media discuss Obama's look and the need to appear similar to the voters. Hence the rolled up sleeves. That is the common look when you are trying to appear ready to work..and appear more blue collarish.
    The media talks about the style of the women and the importance of their appearance MUCH more than they discuss the men. That's the point and no, I am not wrong...I don't care what wiki told you this time!

    George W also wears his sleeves rolled up alot. Obviously, looks can be deceiving.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by SkinBasket
      Originally posted by GBRulz
      Same focus was made on Hillary's pantsuits and how her dark colors made her appear cold and bitter.
      Good point, but I think you got it backwards. It was Hillary that made the pantsuits look cold and bitter.
      Good call, Skin.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by packinpatland
        You don't think it's just a little 'over the top'......to be wearing a dress and shoes that are more $ than some folks make in a month?

        I don't want the government telling me how to spend my familes money. In return, I won't tell the leader of our government how to spend his families money.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
          Mccain defining rich, "I think if you're just talking about income, how about $5 million?"

          Wonder how small town america defines being rich?


          I think small town America would define $5M/year as being rich too.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by GBRulz
            Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
            Originally posted by GBRulz
            It's very common for fashion designers, jewelers and handbag companies to loan things like this out for red carpet appearances and stuff. Heck, at the Oscar's this year, Diablo Cody's shoes alone were one million dollars.

            On the other hand, the women are highly scrutinized when it comes to their looks. Do you ever hear the media having a 30 minute discussion on how tacky Obama looks with his dress shirt sleeves rolled up all the time? no. It's sad that the media has to focus on what look Sarah or Cindy need to do about their style. Same focus was made on Hillary's pantsuits and how her dark colors made her appear cold and bitter.
            Actually, you are wrong. I have heard the media discuss Obama's look and the need to appear similar to the voters. Hence the rolled up sleeves. That is the common look when you are trying to appear ready to work..and appear more blue collarish.
            The media talks about the style of the women and the importance of their appearance MUCH more than they discuss the men. That's the point and no, I am not wrong...I don't care what wiki told you this time!

            George W also wears his sleeves rolled up alot. Obviously, looks can be deceiving.
            How many articles have we seen over the last week or so comparing the fashion stylings of Michelle/Sarah, or Michelle/Cindy? I don't recall the Barack/John wardrobe discussions....
            "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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            • #36
              Originally posted by MJZiggy
              How many articles have we seen over the last week or so comparing the fashion stylings of Michelle/Sarah, or Michelle/Cindy? I don't recall the Barack/John wardrobe discussions....


              Men's fashion is predictable and conservative. Not much to talk about. Unless one of them wore a bowling shirt.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by MJZiggy
                How many articles have we seen over the last week or so comparing the fashion stylings of Michelle/Sarah, or Michelle/Cindy? I don't recall the Barack/John wardrobe discussions....
                No kidding. The softer style Jackie O look is what Michelle O is going for... this morning it was all about Palin's glasses and how demand for those frames is suddenly super popular.... yeah, I'm with you there, they are always talking about what the women are wearing.

                Poor Hillary, she's missing all of this....although like you said, she had her spotlight with the hair and headbands thing...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by GBRulz
                  Originally posted by MJZiggy
                  How many articles have we seen over the last week or so comparing the fashion stylings of Michelle/Sarah, or Michelle/Cindy? I don't recall the Barack/John wardrobe discussions....
                  No kidding. The softer style Jackie O look is what Michelle O is going for... this morning it was all about Palin's glasses and how demand for those frames is suddenly super popular.... yeah, I'm with you there, they are always talking about what the women are wearing.

                  Poor Hillary, she's missing all of this....although like you said, she had her spotlight with the hair and headbands thing...
                  Oh would that my worst fashion catastrophe was a headband (and if all those women think that a pair of glasses will make them look like Sarah Palin...)
                  "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                    I know the transcript...i watched saddleback.
                    Then you'll know that when asked about integrity being the basis of leadership, Obama replied: "I experimented with drugs and I drank."

                    Just as fair a snippet as yours. Except Obama wasn't joking.



                    The following quote was also laughable considering your long and morally devoid defense of Obama's complete lack of regard for his starving half brother living off $12 a year and literally fighting with his fists to stay alive:

                    "Obama: I think America’s greatest moral failure in my lifetime has been that we ... still don’t abide by that ... basic precept in Matthew that: 'whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.' And that notion of — that basic principle applies to poverty. It applies to racism and sexism. It applies to, you know, not ... thinking about providing ladders of opportunity for people to get into the middle class.

                    I mean, there’s a pervasive sense, I think, that this country, as wealthy and powerful as we are, still don’t spend enough time thinking about the least of these."

                    He just totally projected his own moral failure on the nation as a whole. I knew a guy like that once. He would come out of the only restroom at work and say, "The toilet got broke." Not, "I broke the toilet." I don't need a "the toilet got broke" kind of guy leading our nation.
                    "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns

                      I don’t think the governor’s tax cut is too big–it’s just misplaced. Sixty percent of the benefits from his tax cuts go to the wealthiest 10 percent of Americans–and that’s not the kind of tax relief that Americans need. … I don’t believe the wealthiest 10 percent of Americans should get 60 percent of the tax breaks. I think the lowest 10 percent should get the breaks.

                      Subject: The Tax Code

                      A simplified explanation of its economic affects on taxpayers… and bums.

                      Let’s put tax cuts in terms we can understand:

                      Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner and the bill for all ten
                      comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would
                      go something like this, according to earnings:
                      The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
                      The fifth would pay $1
                      The sixth would pay $3
                      The seventh would pay $7
                      The eighth would pay $12
                      The ninth would pay $18
                      The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59 So, that’s what they decided
                      to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed
                      quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them
                      a curve.”Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to
                      reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20.”

                      Dinner for the ten now cost just $80.

                      The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the
                      first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what
                      about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide
                      the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his “fair share?”

                      They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted
                      that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man
                      wouldeach end up being paid to eat their meal. So, the restaurant
                      owner suggested:

                      The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings)
                      The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings)
                      The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings)
                      The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings)
                      The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings)
                      The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings… the least
                      proportionate savings) Each of the six paying customers was better off
                      than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.

                      But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings:
                      “I only got a dollar out of the $20,” declared the sixth man. He pointed
                      to the tenth man,” but he got $10!” “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the
                      fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times
                      more than me!” “That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he
                      get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!” “Wait
                      a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at
                      all. The system exploits the poor!”

                      As a consequence, the first nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him
                      badly. The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for dinner, so the nine
                      sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they
                      discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money
                      between all of them for even half of the bill!

                      And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our
                      tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
                      benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being
                      wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might
                      start eating overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
                      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by SkinBasket
                        Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                        I know the transcript...i watched saddleback.
                        Then you'll know that when asked about integrity being the basis of leadership, Obama replied: "I experimented with drugs and I drank."

                        Just as fair a snippet as yours. Except Obama wasn't joking.

                        The following quote was also laughable considering your long and morally devoid defense of Obama's complete lack of regard for his starving half brother living off $12 a year and literally fighting with his fists to stay alive:

                        "Obama: I think America’s greatest moral failure in my lifetime has been that we ... still don’t abide by that ... basic precept in Matthew that: 'whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.' And that notion of — that basic principle applies to poverty. It applies to racism and sexism. It applies to, you know, not ... thinking about providing ladders of opportunity for people to get into the middle class.

                        I mean, there’s a pervasive sense, I think, that this country, as wealthy and powerful as we are, still don’t spend enough time thinking about the least of these."

                        He just totally projected his own moral failure on the nation as a whole. I knew a guy like that once. He would come out of the only restroom at work and say, "The toilet got broke." Not, "I broke the toilet." I don't need a "the toilet got broke" kind of guy leading our nation.
                        Obama's father abandoned Obama and his mom when BO was 2 years old. He had no contact with his father's side of the family after that. The fact that he wasn't aware of having a half-brother in Africa--or that he hasn't treated him like a brother since--is hardly surprising given the family circumstances. But you wouldn't be interested in trifling details like that when there's a political point to be scored, would you?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by hoosier
                          Obama's father abandoned Obama and his mom when BO was 2 years old. He had no contact with his father's side of the family after that. The fact that he wasn't aware of having a half-brother in Africa--or that he hasn't treated him like a brother since--is hardly surprising given the family circumstances. But you wouldn't be interested in trifling details like that when there's a political point to be scored, would you?
                          Hoosier, Obama is continually pontificating about the importance of taking care of those less fortunate. His brother lives on ONE DOLLAR a month. He gets ZERO help from Obama. Obama knows who he is and has known for quite a while. He even refers to him, and his existence in his book.

                          Therefore, it is a legitimate question, of why should you and I "feel" obligated to those less fortunate, when Barack doesn't feel obligated to his own blood relation.

                          I don't give a damn about a "political point". Why should I respect someone who expects me to do something that he himself is not willing to do? That's YOUR candidate. Not mine.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by hoosier
                            Obama's father abandoned Obama and his mom when BO was 2 years old. He had no contact with his father's side of the family after that. The fact that he wasn't aware of having a half-brother in Africa--or that he hasn't treated him like a brother since--is hardly surprising given the family circumstances. But you wouldn't be interested in trifling details like that when there's a political point to be scored, would you?
                            'whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.'
                            "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by retailguy
                              Originally posted by hoosier
                              Obama's father abandoned Obama and his mom when BO was 2 years old. He had no contact with his father's side of the family after that. The fact that he wasn't aware of having a half-brother in Africa--or that he hasn't treated him like a brother since--is hardly surprising given the family circumstances. But you wouldn't be interested in trifling details like that when there's a political point to be scored, would you?
                              Hoosier, Obama is continually pontificating about the importance of taking care of those less fortunate. His brother lives on ONE DOLLAR a month. He gets ZERO help from Obama. Obama knows who he is and has known for quite a while. He even refers to him, and his existence in his book.

                              Therefore, it is a legitimate question, of why should you and I "feel" obligated to those less fortunate, when Barack doesn't feel obligated to his own blood relation.

                              I don't give a damn about a "political point". Why should I respect someone who expects me to do something that he himself is not willing to do? That's YOUR candidate. Not mine.
                              I don't know the whole story behind Obama and his brother. I DO know that family relations, especially in circumstances like Obama's, can get complicated and that it can be very difficult for outsiders to understand how siblings (or half siblings) relate to each other--becoming estranged, etc.

                              While we focus all of our attention on the family context, there is another angle to this story: Obama's half-brother lives in Africa, 5000 miles and an ocean away. Obama is talking about how our nation and its government deals with its own poor. He's not trying to propose a universal policy to help the poor around the world, nor is he just talking about how individuals help other individuals out. In the quote that Skinsack was referring to, "brother" was a metaphor for neighbor or fellow American. The fact that Obama hasn't reached out to a biological half-brother who lives in another continent is not, IMO, a good reason to doubt his sincerity when it comes to social policy IN THE USA.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by hoosier
                                I don't know the whole story behind Obama and his brother. I DO know that family relations, especially in circumstances like Obama's, can get complicated and that it can be very difficult for outsiders to understand how siblings (or half siblings) relate to each other--becoming estranged, etc.

                                While we focus all of our attention on the family context, there is another angle to this story: Obama's half-brother lives in Africa, 5000 miles and an ocean away. Obama is talking about how our nation and its government deals with its own poor. He's not trying to propose a universal policy to help the poor around the world, nor is he just talking about how individuals help other individuals out. In the quote that Skinsack was referring to, "brother" was a metaphor for neighbor or fellow American. The fact that Obama hasn't reached out to a biological half-brother who lives in another continent is not, IMO, a good reason to doubt his sincerity when it comes to social policy IN THE USA.

                                Maybe you should read the story about him and his "brother". Because for me, it defines character. Call me naive, but I think it displays who Obama really is. $50 a month via Western Union would absolutely change that man's life. Surely Obama is able to discern that the sins of the father don't apply to the family? Surely, his brother had little to do with the father abandoning Obama and his mother? Surely, there must be "some draw" on Obama's part to help even a distant family member.

                                Don't you find it curious that Obama is seemingly determining that he owes his brother 'no help' which may be true in theory, but also determines that you and I must participate in a wealth redistribution program that we have no say in? Maybe I don't want to help the people Obama wants to help?

                                It's hypocritical. While I recognize it's an extreme example, it is a window into Barack character. I find it important. I recognize that you don't and will continue to minimize it's importance.

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